AWWA-Yesterday, Today, and Forever(OOC-Closed)

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:25 pm

Luziyca wrote:Portugal - Indeed. But I don't think we could colonize Morocco. That said, if I did have it, I will not kill Arabs, but instead attempt to assimilate them.
Afghanistan - Afghanistan cannot be part of China, I assume.

But yeah, Guyane plus Amapa (or what Guyane got from Brazil), Greenland (that I had the idea with Boji for an Inuit-Norse civilization), and China (reduced) seems good, although China and Japan will still be very bitter, not buddy-buddy as it was prior to the death of this RP.

It makes Asia far more interesting of a place anyway. The whole "Asia is sunshine and rainbows" got kind of ridiculous.

by **Bojikami** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:51 pm

Unicario wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Portugal - Indeed. But I don't think we could colonize Morocco. That said, if I did have it, I will not kill Arabs, but instead attempt to assimilate them.
Afghanistan - Afghanistan cannot be part of China, I assume.

But yeah, Guyane plus Amapa (or what Guyane got from Brazil), Greenland (that I had the idea with Boji for an Inuit-Norse civilization), and China (reduced) seems good, although China and Japan will still be very bitter, not buddy-buddy as it was prior to the death of this RP.

It makes Asia far more interesting of a place anyway. The whole "Asia is sunshine and rainbows" got kind of ridiculous.

Adds an extra theatre if European tensions spill over to the rest of the world.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:59 pm

Unicario wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Portugal - Indeed. But I don't think we could colonize Morocco. That said, if I did have it, I will not kill Arabs, but instead attempt to assimilate them.
Afghanistan - Afghanistan cannot be part of China, I assume.

But yeah, Guyane plus Amapa (or what Guyane got from Brazil), Greenland (that I had the idea with Boji for an Inuit-Norse civilization), and China (reduced) seems good, although China and Japan will still be very bitter, not buddy-buddy as it was prior to the death of this RP.

It makes Asia far more interesting of a place anyway. The whole "Asia is sunshine and rainbows" got kind of ridiculous.

Certainly, it would be more interesting to RP.

China would eventually become rich again, but probably like IRL China.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:12 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Unicario wrote:
It makes Asia far more interesting of a place anyway. The whole "Asia is sunshine and rainbows" got kind of ridiculous.

Certainly, it would be more interesting to RP.

China would eventually become rich again, but probably like IRL China.

"Rich" as in overpopulated, underfed, totalitarian and whose economy relies entirely on economic bullying and inflating the economy? Japan would be in control of Asian markets and wouldn't let the Chinese yuan inflate/deflate at will as so to manipulate the markets.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:18 pm

Unicario wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Certainly, it would be more interesting to RP.

China would eventually become rich again, but probably like IRL China.

"Rich" as in overpopulated, underfed, totalitarian and whose economy relies entirely on economic bullying and inflating the economy? Japan would be in control of Asian markets and wouldn't let the Chinese yuan inflate/deflate at will as so to manipulate the markets.

Perhaps.

Though China may become a Republic, and grow rich, and be as well off as South Korea (or maybe be the Asian Brazil with high income inequality, with the rich living like the upper classes in the USA and the poor like the poorest African nation). There will definitely be a lot of emigration though to other nations as they seek a better life.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:32 pm

Updated list. China becomes a Republic in 1920, but the civil war will last from 1920/21 to 1937 at the earliest, though the last of the warlords were only crushed by the 1970s.

CHINA - founded 221 BC but leaders won't be listed prior to 1820

GUYANE - founded 1797

CRIMEA - founded 1839 (assuming Ukraine or Rum doesn't take it over again)

GREENLAND - founded 1900

IRELAND - founded 1903

by **Shrillland** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:07 am

Sorry to put this up so soon after the last time, but Australia has a new PM, and so does my list.

Great Britain

PMs with Coalition Governments are marked with *

Canada

Australia united 1901

New Zealand Became ATL dominion 1887

South Africa united in 1893

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:23 pm

Shrill is a rock of normalcy. Most of his history is convergent, despite the vastly different world.

by **Shrillland** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:44 pm

Unicario wrote:Shrill is a rock of normalcy. Most of his history is convergent, despite the vastly different world.

I think part of it is that I didn't really take anything that Britain didn't actually take...though I am now going to have to make some changes to make World War II feasible....I have to decide who's going to play the roles of Baldwin and Chamberlain...the inept, insular and ignorant PM who didn't care what happened and the alert, committed PM who made all the wrong decisions at the worst possible time.

Besides, Uni, there will be some differences. You and I will be launching a Cold War-style coup in South Africa in the 60s...which will fail but humiliate the Apartheid regime until its end.

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:36 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Unicario wrote:Shrill is a rock of normalcy. Most of his history is convergent, despite the vastly different world.

I think part of it is that I didn't really take anything that Britain didn't actually take...though I am now going to have to make some changes to make World War II feasible....I have to decide who's going to play the roles of Baldwin and Chamberlain...the inept, insular and ignorant PM who didn't care what happened and the alert, committed PM who made all the wrong decisions at the worst possible time.

Besides, Uni, there will be some differences. You and I will be launching a Cold War-style coup in South Africa in the 60s...which will fail but humiliate the Apartheid regime until its end.

Can Natal break away from South Africa and form a "free state" until the end of apartheid? Japanese farmers and labourers wouldn't approve of apartheid!

But that's nice!

I suppose with the 60s, there's the Indonesian War and the Mecca Massacre which South Africa could "support" or something.

I wonder how the Bush War will go, with Mozambique being Japanese...

About me · by **Luziyca** » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:40 pm

China would probably be nowadays be economically developed. In the east, standards of living are like OTL Germany, but the further west you go, the poorer things get. There is massive income inequality, with the poorest people living like the poorest of the Africans IRL, while the richest probably live like American upper class.

Basically, Xinjiang is the poorest region of China, while the richest is Shanghai.

by **Bojikami** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:35 pm

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by **Ruridova** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:43 pm

Is it okay if I use the plotlines of Madame Butterfly and Miss Saigon for a Confederate play?

I'm asking this as a general question to everyone because the novel Madame Chrysantheme about a Frenchman falling in love with a geisha was written by a Frenchman, the short story Madame Butterfly about an American falling in love with a geisha was written by someone who's a Canadian ATL, the play Madame Chrysantheme about a Frenchman falling in love with a geisha was written by a different Frenchman, a one-act play version of Madame Butterfly was written by an ATL Confederate, the more famous play Madama Butterfly was written by an Italian, and the play Miss Saigon was written by a Frenchman, a Sephardi Tunisian, and an ATL Canadian.

by **Unicario** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:01 pm

Ruridova wrote:Is it okay if I use the plotlines of Madame Butterfly and Miss Saigon for a Confederate play?

Could you elaborate in a telegram to me a bit about what you're going to do with both those plays, as one particularly is about Japan, and the other is about Vietnam?

by **Ruridova** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:08 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Is it okay if I use the plotlines of Madame Butterfly and Miss Saigon for a Confederate play?

Could you elaborate in a telegram to me a bit about what you're going to do with both those plays, as one particularly is about Japan, and the other is about Vietnam?

Long story short, Miss Saigon is to Madame Butterfly what West Side Story is to Romeo and Juliet- very similar plots with a few differences, set in a different and more recent era. Madame Butterfly is itself based off a Madame Chrysantheme, where the foreign soldier is French instead of American.

by **Unicario** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:40 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Could you elaborate in a telegram to me a bit about what you're going to do with both those plays, as one particularly is about Japan, and the other is about Vietnam?

Long story short, Miss Saigon is to Madame Butterfly what West Side Story is to Romeo and Juliet- very similar plots with a few differences, set in a different and more recent era. Madame Butterfly is itself based off a Madame Chrysantheme, where the foreign soldier is French instead of American.

I'm aware of the backstory. I guess, since none of it is really capable of commentary in the late 19th century of ATL Japan; I'm fine with it.

by **Unicario** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:45 pm

United Republics of Central America - Repúblicas Unidas de Centroamérica / Républiques Unies d'Amérique centrale
Empire of Tawantinsuyu - Imperio del Tawantinsuyu / Tawantinsuyu
Republic of Catalonia - República de Catalunya / República de Cataluña
Empire of the Netherlands - Nederlandse Rijk / Empire de Pays-Bas / Niederlande Reich
Rumite Empire - Rum Imparatorluğu / Αυτοκρατορία των Ρωμαίων / Rhomaion / امبراطورية الرومان / Perandoria e Romakëve
Empire of Japan / Greater Japanese Empire - 大日本帝国 / Dai Nippon Teikoku or Dai Tōbu Teikoku (Greater Eastern Empire)
Empire of Korea - 대한제국 / Daehan Jeguk
Indochinese Federation - Liên bang Đông Dương

About me · by **Luziyca** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:10 pm

Republic of China - 中華民國 / جۇمھۇرىيە تچىنە
Kingdom of Ireland - Ríocht na hÉireann
Republic of Guyana - République de Guyane / República da Guiana
Kingdom of Greenland - Kalaallit Nunaat naalagauvik / Konungariket Grönland

Edit: can't believe I forgot about that Ireland. Still gonna be Falangist.

by **Unicario** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:29 pm

President of the Council of Ministers of the First Korean Empire (1919 - 1936)

1919 - 1924: Syngmann Rhee (Independent)
1924 - 1929: Kim Kyu-sik (National Liberal)
1929 - 1936: Kim Koo (Anti-Japanese Front)

* The First Korean Empire, which was established as a Japanese dominion, was dissolved on February 26, 1936 after Kim Koo, the reigning President of the Council, declared Korea in rebellion against Japan; Koo was a populist anti-Japanese leader elected by merit of being ahead of his numerous enemies in the polls. His regime came to an end after Hideki Tojo occupied Korea for 101 days.

Shogun of the Empire of Japan in the Korean Peninsula (1936)

1936: Hideki Tojo (Military)

* The Shogunate came to an end after 101 days when Kim Il-sung lead the Korean People's Army into Seoul, captured Tojo, and publicly executed him. Kim Il-sung declared the Korean People's Republic, yet affirmed the loyalty of Korea to Japan's leadership in the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Chairman of the Supreme Presidium of the Korean People's Republic (1936 - 1950)

1936 - 1944: Kim Il-sung (Social Democratic)
1944 - 1949: Hwang Jang-yop (Social Democratic)
1949 - 1950: Franklin Dae-jun (National Union)

* The Korean People's Republic inaugurated the Japanese monarch once again as Emperor of Korea in 1950, after the election of the monarchist National Union party, under the leadership of Dae-jun Franklin, descendant of Benjamin Franklin.

President of the Council of Ministers of the Second Korean Empire (1950 - 1968

1950 - 1968: Franklin Dae-jun (National Union)

* Franklin Dae-jun was overthrown by an anti-Japanese warlord in 1968 after Kim Il-sung left Korea on a diplomatic trip to the Confederate States, thus neutralizing the threat of the KPA.

Supreme Commander of the Republic of Korea (1968-1969)

1968-1969: Yang Hyong-sop (Military)

* General Yang was overthrown by Kim Il-sung less than four months into his administration as Supreme Commander. His regime lasted from December 1968 to March 1969.

President of the Council of Ministers of the Third Korean Empire (1969 - 1980)

1969 - 1975: Kim Il-sung (Korean Workers Party)
1975 - 1980: Choi Kyu-hah (Korean Workers Party)

* The monarchy was suspended after the Rose Revolution; the Koreans restored the Japanese monarch in 1982.

Chairman of the Presidium of the Korean People's Republic (1980 - 1982)

1980 - 1982: Choi Kyu-hah (Korean Workers Party)

* The monarchy was suspended after the Rose Revolution; the Koreans restored the Japanese monarch in 1982.

President of the Council of Ministers of the Fourth Korean Empire (1982 - present day)

1982 - 1990: Choi Kyu-hah (Korean Workers Party)
1990 - 1994: Park Chung-hee (Democratic)
1994 - 2003: Kim Jong-il (KWP)
2003 - 2010: Roh Moo-hyun (National Federalist)
2010 - present: Lee Wan-koo (Democratic)

by **Qianrong** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:24 pm

(countries who have not been fully reworked in accordance with the new RP are listed as having no leaders presently)
(assuming no serious governmental changes currently unplanned occur in any of my countries:)

BRAZIL founded 1815

HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (re)founded 1821

QUEBEC founded 1834

CONFEDERACY founded 1834

HUNGARY founded 1835

CAUCASIA founded 1835

YUGOSLAVIA founded 1838

MEXICO founded 1821

AZTLAN founded 1838

VASCONIA founded 1851

ZANZIBAR founded 1856

NORWAY (re)founded 1867

DENMARK (re)founded 1869

CZECHOSLOVAKIA founded 1891

HAWAII founded 1891 but claimants to the titles Shogun of Japan and King of Hawai'i before 1891 will not be listed
(severe changes likely, given to new plans for history)

POLAND founded 1899

FINLAND founded 1899

LITHUANIA founded 1899

RUSSIA(ALASKA) founded 1721 but leaders will not be listed before 1917
(I think we're keeping this but I can't guarantee)

THE VOLTA founded 1954

KAMERUN founded 1960

CENTRAL AFRICA founded 1960

In 1969, Bokassa seized absolute control, declaring himself Emperor Bokassa I of the new Central African Empire.

In 2001, following years of discontent, Bokassa II resigned, returning the country to democratic rule under a Central African Republic.

CONGO/ZAIRE founded 1961

TANGANYIKA founded 1964

NAMIBIA founded 1967

NORTH NEW GUINEA founded 1986

by **Ruridova** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:13 pm

CONFEDERATE ELECTIONS
Basic information on every election for the Presidency of the Confederate States of America

(Intervening elections coming soon!)

by **Ruridova** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:36 am

Quick note: the main criterion I'm looking at to see which RL American politicians are ATL Confederate politicians is whether the state they were born in is a Confederate state, not the state they became a famous politician in.

Good examples: Rick Santorum and Elizabeth Warren rose to prominence representing the states of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, but were born in Virginia and Oklahoma, and are thus listed as Confederate. There are presently two exceptions that I've made to this rule- Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada already and his parents wouldn't be fleeing Fidel because ATL Fidel is a baseball star, and Hillary Clinton because it would be a bit odd for the wife of a Confederate president to be a Canadian politician.

This does mean I've dropped my claims to the Kennedeys(Massachusetts), the Bushes(Connecticut, though Jeb was born in Texas so that might be something to discuss), and Obama(born in Hawaii).

On a largely unrelated note, congratulations, Unicario, if Japanese Long Island is still a thing, because you are now the proud ATL owner of Bernie Sanders(born in Brooklyn) and the not-so-proud owner of Donald Trump(born in Queens). May your politics be ever-interesting.

by **Shrillland** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:54 am

Ruridova wrote:Quick note: the main criterion I'm looking at to see which RL American politicians are ATL Confederate politicians is whether the state they were born in is a Confederate state, not the state they became a famous politician in.

Good examples: Rick Santorum and Elizabeth Warren rose to prominence representing the states of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, but were born in Virginia and Oklahoma, and are thus listed as Confederate. There are presently two exceptions that I've made to this rule- Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada already and his parents wouldn't be fleeing Fidel because ATL Fidel is a baseball star, and Hillary Clinton because it would be a bit odd for the wife of a Confederate president to be a Canadian politician.

This does mean I've dropped my claims to the Kennedeys(Massachusetts), the Bushes(Connecticut, though Jeb was born in Texas so that might be something to discuss), and Obama(born in Hawaii).

On a largely unrelated note, congratulations, Unicario, if Japanese Long Island is still a thing, because you are now the proud ATL owner of Bernie Sanders(born in Brooklyn) and the not-so-proud owner of Donald Trump(born in Queens). May your politics be ever-interesting.

Oh, pity. I was hoping the first Japanese-born PM of Canada would belong to the NDP.

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:10 pm

Ruridova wrote:Quick note: the main criterion I'm looking at to see which RL American politicians are ATL Confederate politicians is whether the state they were born in is a Confederate state, not the state they became a famous politician in.

Good examples: Rick Santorum and Elizabeth Warren rose to prominence representing the states of Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, but were born in Virginia and Oklahoma, and are thus listed as Confederate. There are presently two exceptions that I've made to this rule- Ted Cruz because he was born in Canada already and his parents wouldn't be fleeing Fidel because ATL Fidel is a baseball star, and Hillary Clinton because it would be a bit odd for the wife of a Confederate president to be a Canadian politician.

This does mean I've dropped my claims to the Kennedeys(Massachusetts), the Bushes(Connecticut, though Jeb was born in Texas so that might be something to discuss), and Obama(born in Hawaii).

On a largely unrelated note, congratulations, Unicario, if Japanese Long Island is still a thing, because you are now the proud ATL owner of Bernie Sanders(born in Brooklyn) and the not-so-proud owner of Donald Trump(born in Queens). May your politics be ever-interesting.

Are you sure you want to give up Obama? I was willing to let him stay yours; particularly considering his mother is still American; he'd just be a dual citizen.

Also: #FEELTHEFUCKINGBERN and #WECANMAKEJAPANGREATAGAIN

by **Unicario** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:16 pm

The Empire of Japan and East Asia
Dai Nippon Teikoku no Higashiajia

Capital: Tokyo
Government: Constitutional Absolutism┼
National Language: (prior to 1883) Japanese
(post-1883) English, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, Thai, Cantonese
(as of 2014) English, Japanese, Cantonese

National Religion: Shinto-Buddhism, Sanguine Christianity, Japanese Islam

Sovereign Monarchs

Meiji Empress / Empress Akiko

Born: May 9, 1754 | Death: August 15, 1837 (died of old age)
Reign: February 11, 1774 to August 15, 1837
Full name: Akiko Sakura Yamato

Emperor Junkyou / Emperor George I

Born: June 22, 1783 | Death: December 24, 1837 (assassinated by Black Samurai)
Reign: August 15, 1837 to December 24, 1837
Full name: George Augustus Yamato

Nikkou Emperor / Emperor Alexander

Born: May 24, 1819 | Death: February 26, 1898 (died of hypothermia)
Reign: December 24, 1837 to February 26, 1898
Full name: Alexander George Yamato

Tsuki Empress / Empress Elizabeth

Born: mid 1844 | Death: May 6, 1909 (died of Canadian Flu)
Reign: February 26, 1898 to May 6, 1909
Full name: Elizabeth Alexandra Augusta Yamato

Rikugun Empress / Empress Masako

Born: January 16, 1909 | Death: September 4, 2001 (died of old age)
Reign: May 6, 1909 to May 9, 1969 (abdicated)
Full name: Masako Catherine Yoshiko Yamato

Empress Akane

Born: May 9, 1952
Reign: May 9, 1969 to August 3, 2008 (abdicated)
Full name: Akane Yoshiko Megumi Yamato

Empress Elizabeth II

Born: July 31, 1991
Reign: August 3, 2008 - present day
Full name: Elizabeth Rika Yamato

Chancellors

Thomas Jefferson (1789-1807) - National Conservative Party - Amerikanjin
John Adams (1807-1825) - National Conservative Party - Amerikanjin
John Quincy Adams (1825-1837) - National Conservative Party - Amerikanjin
Iemochi Tokugawa (1837-1855) - Imperial Liberal Party
Kasumi Nakano (1855-1873) - Imperial Liberal Party
Ichirou Jefferson (1873-1879) - National Conservative Party
Syngman Rhee (1879-1892) - National Conservative Party - Removed from office due to vote of no confidence after Kyushu Raid, 1892
Michiko Adams (1892-1900) - Imperial Liberal Party
Avina Kamakura (1900-1909) - Social Democratic Party
Nicholas Romanov (1909-1914) - Imperial Society
James Sun (1914-1920) - Kuomintang - Resigned after armistice.
Nicholas Romanov (1920-1921) - Imperial Society - Resigned to become King of Manchuria
James Sun (1921-1933) - Kuomintang
Adm. Isaac Yamamoto (1933-1939) - Kuomintang
William Jiang (1939-1945) - Kuomintang
Nguyen Sinh Con (1945-1950) - People's Social Federation - Resigned from office, 1950
Sakura Kamakura (1950-1975) - Socialist Party
Alexander Satō (1975) - Imperial Liberal Party - Resigned from office, 1975
Masayoshi Ōhira (1975-1980) - Imperial Liberal Party
Provisional Government (1980-1981)
Bernard Sanders (1981-1990) - Socialist Party
Sarah Adams (1990-1999) - Kuomintang - Descendant of John Adams
John MacLeod (1999-2002) - Social Democrat Party
Princess Ranko Yamato (2002-2004) - Imperial Society
Yuki Satsuma (2004-2008) - Christian Democratic
Julia Noragami (2008-2014) - Kuomintang
John A. Adams (2014-) - Kuomintang - Son of Sarah Adams

"Anthems" of Japan
Official anthems are Furusato and Kimigayo

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