AWWA-Yesterday, Today, and Forever(OOC-Closed)

by **Ruridova** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:13 pm

AWWA Earth circa 1915

CHANGES THAT APPLY IN 1897:
- Danish-German border fixed
- Afghanistan now has white borders, not green ones
- Russo-Finno-Norwegian border fixed
- Nice returned to France after apparently being removed by accident
- Uni added Cabinda, I think
- territory colors removed(sorry Uni) because there are enough colors on the map anyways
THINGS THAT DON'T MATTER UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENT IC DATE:
- Poland becomes independent in 1899; Poland and Galicia become one country shortly thereafter; Poland also gets some land from Germany in 1914
- Baltic Union becomes independent in 1899; Baltic also gets some land from Germany in 1914
- Finland-Estonia becomes independent in 1899

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:39 pm

Unicario wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
I hoe you know the division of Brazil is a long term event that lasts into the 1920s or longer. At best, I think it'd be appropriate to label its other countries accordingly as in 1897, in order to avoid war, the Federal Government officially gives both nations sovereignty. So it is called the civil war but following this treaty when the war breaks out, it is technically a war between a former unified country.

I'm not putting them in the map, and I refuse to recognize any map with them in it. They are civil war states. The warlords in OTL China never appeared in maps either, so Brazilian warlords won't.

Yes but they're not Brazilian warlords. Neither of them. They both have civil governments with political, cultural, and social differences, and were granted autonomy by the Brazilian Government. You put Tunis in right? And you put Afghanistan in as such. And Poland and the Baltic Union, and Finland. Why can't you do this here, when it's the same exact circumstances. I said, it's not a civil war, it's a political war between different factions of a formerly united nation. The factions already have autonomy and have split by the time the war starts.

by **Ruridova** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:02 pm

Countries
(work in progress; assuming no serious governmental changes currently unplanned occur in any of my countries:)

VASCONIA founded 1851

HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (re)founded 1821

DENMARK (re)founded 1869

During the Crisis of 2014, the Danish monarchy announced Denmark's defection from Germany, which had refused to let Denmark(previously a puppet) elect a legislature. As a sign of defiance, Queen Charlotte announced that a Folketinget would be created immediately, elected by the Danish people.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA founded 1891

GALICIA founded 1891

In 1900, by popular referendum in both countries, Galicia united with the newly-independent Poland.

HUNGARY founded 1835

CAUCASIA founded 1835

YUGOSLAVIA founded 1838

RUSSIA(ALASKA) founded 1721 but leaders will not be listed before 1991

POLAND founded 1899

FINLAND-ESTONIA founded 1899

BALTIC UNION founded 1899

QUEBEC founded 1834

CONFEDERACY founded 1834

RIO GRANDE founded 1838

AL-MAYIQUH founded 1838

TEHUANTEPEC founded 1838

THE VOLTA founded 1954

KAMERUN founded 1960

CENTRAL AFRICA founded 1960

In 1969, Bokassa seized absolute control, declaring himself Emperor Bokassa I of the new Central African Empire.

In 2001, following years of discontent, Bokassa II resigned, returning the country to democratic rule under a Central African Republic.

CONGO/ZAIRE founded 1961

TANGANYIKA founded 1964

ZANZIBAR founded 1856

NAMIBIA founded 1967

NORTH NEW GUINEA founded 1986

NIIHAU founded 1891 but holders of the titles Shogun of Japan and Ali'i of Niihau before 1891 will not be listed

MAURITANIA founded 1863

JIAOZHOU founded 2014

Organizations

ZIONIST WORLD CONGRESS founded 1892

by **Ruridova** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:08 pm

by **Bojikami** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:50 pm

by **Unicario** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:58 pm

Vladimir Lenin lived for

(assuming his death date is on 8 November 1992, but he lives to be >121 anyway, since he dies in 1992.)

by **Unicario** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:35 pm

Birleşim Bahar (English: Spring of Unification, Serbian: исламиц пролеће, French: La Révolution Silencieuse) was an event that took place in Spring 1985 across the world. Multiple Islamic groups, desiring to "join their lands" with the Rumite Empire and the Islamic Caliphate which was consolidating it's power, began to protest their governments and demanding their independence. The strongest protests took place in Algeria, Morocco, Bosnia, and Afghanistan. The revolution derived from the post-1964 Call to Unity issued by the Rumite government, calling on all Muslims to unite under one house so that "the events of 1964 may never repeat themselves".

by **Ruridova** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:49 pm

- the Intermarium will exist in some form between Finland-Estonia, the Baltic Union, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, with the goal of preventing Rumite, Russian, and German interference in or invasion of member states; it may or may not survive after the EAU's foundation
- Zanzibar and Mauritania, both Muslim countries not aligned with Rum, will likely become suspicious that, after Morocco and Algeria, they're next; Germany, which has some Muslim colonies and is getting closer to the French, may also be suspicious; al-Mayiquh is so far away from Rum that they won't really care about Rum growing its sphere

by **Unicario** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:32 pm

Ruridova wrote:- the Intermarium will exist in some form between Finland-Estonia, the Baltic Union, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, with the goal of preventing Rumite, Russian, and German interference in or invasion of member states; it may or may not survive after the EAU's foundation
- Zanzibar and Mauritania, both Muslim countries not aligned with Rum, will likely become suspicious that, after Morocco and Algeria, they're next; Germany, which has some Muslim colonies and is getting closer to the French, may also be suspicious; al-Mayiquh is so far away from Rum that they won't really care about Rum growing its sphere

Rum doesn't care about Mauretania or Zanzibar, nor Al-Mayiquh infact. Rum mostly cares about Algeria and Morocco since they're aggressively held by aggressive colonizers. Sub-Saharan Africa is not Rum's problem, nor does Rum want to deal with it, Rum has an agreement with the African Union to leave that problem to the AfrU.

by **Ruridova** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:39 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:- the Intermarium will exist in some form between Finland-Estonia, the Baltic Union, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia, with the goal of preventing Rumite, Russian, and German interference in or invasion of member states; it may or may not survive after the EAU's foundation
- Zanzibar and Mauritania, both Muslim countries not aligned with Rum, will likely become suspicious that, after Morocco and Algeria, they're next; Germany, which has some Muslim colonies and is getting closer to the French, may also be suspicious; al-Mayiquh is so far away from Rum that they won't really care about Rum growing its sphere

Rum doesn't care about Mauretania or Zanzibar, nor Al-Mayiquh infact. Rum mostly cares about Algeria and Morocco since they're aggressively held by aggressive colonizers. Sub-Saharan Africa is not Rum's problem, nor does Rum want to deal with it, Rum has an agreement with the African Union to leave that problem to the AfrU.

Eyebrows will still be raised at Rumite expansion.

by **Ruridova** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:44 pm

"...the Venezuelans are very good at this sort of thing. I'm speaking to you from behind a pair of fake Ray-Bans, wearing a fake Armani jacket, carrying a fake Louis Vuitton bag, in which we find a fake iPad and a fake iPhone. And if we consult my fake Omega watch, we see that it's 2:35, probably, which means that it's time to pop into the fake Starbucks over there for a cup of fake coffee. It seems, then, that the expression 'copyright infringement' doesn't translate very well into Venezuelan Spanish."
- Jeremy Clarkson, host of the British TV show Top Gear

"If we were to have a war between the German Empire and Canada, I think France would probably win."
- Takeshi Kitano on Comedy Hour during the 2014 Czechoslovak War

"Yesterday, December Seventh, 1891, a date which will live in infamy, the Empire of Japan was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Confederate States of America. We will gain the inevitable triumph, so help us Meiji..."
- Emperor Alexander I addressing an emergency meeting of the Japanese Senate on December 8, 1891.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
- Incorrectly attributed to Thomas A. Hendricks, President of the CSA on December 8, 1891, real source unknown.

"You cannot invade the Japanese mainland. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
- Unknown Confederate military commander on Okinawa, 1892

"Liberty secured by submission to foreign will is not liberty at all."
- Kim Il-sung, 1964

"We welcome change and brotherhood, for we believe that freedom and brotherhood go together, that the advance of world peace can only strengthen the cause of human liberty. There is one sign the German government can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. Chancellor Kohl, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Holy Roman Empire and its allies of Hungary and Denmark, if you seek reconciliation, come here to this gate. Chancellor Kohl, open this gate. Chancellor Kohl, tear down this wall!
...
"As I looked out a moment ago from the town hall, looking towards Bratislava just across the Iron Curtain, I noticed words crudely spray-painted upon the wall, perhaps by a young German. It said, 'This wall will fall. Beliefs become reality.' Yes, across Central Europe, this wall will fall. For it cannot withstand fraternity; it cannot withstand truth. This wall cannot withstand freedom."
- Ronald Reagan, 1987, speaking in the German town of Kittsee, near the Czechoslovak border

"We the People of the Empire of Japan, hold these truths to be self-evident, that all humans, of all creeds, races, colors and faiths are equal, and are invested by their creator with the capacity to great good, and great evil, and the capacity to know right from wrong, therefore their sovereign right to personal liberties shall never be infringed upon..."
- Preface to the Japanese Constitution, ratified 1789

"We, the People, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and ensure the blessings of liberty unto ourselves and our posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America."
- Preamble to the CS Constitution, ratified 1834

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
-Oleksandr Kostiuk, 1903

"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem."

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
-Stanislav Pavlenko

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them in parliament."
-Grigori Petrovsky, on western governments

"It is about time this "Axis of Evil" is dealt a good blow and is put back into their place."
-Horatius Agrioli, 1894

"The truth is that men are tired of liberty."

"Every anarchist is a baffled dictator."
-Benito Mussolini, 1901

"The socialist movement in Venezuela and the feeling of Pan-Latin-Americanism are inseparable."
-Che Guevara

"What the northerners do not understand is that Venezuela, and other south American nations do not apperecite being fearmongered into the same hegemonic empires from which we struggled to break free."
-Esteban Lopez, 1897

"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end."
-Antoni Belinsky, to Stanislav Pavlenko on the Balkan Wars.

"Saying you do not believe in the use of force is like saying you do not believe in gravity."
-Antoni Belinsky, 1891

"It is easy to romanticize poverty, to see poor people as inherently lacking agency and will. It is easy to strip them of human dignity, to reduce them to objects of pity. This has never been clearer than in the view of Africa from the American media, in which we are shown poverty and conflicts without any context."

"I am the hero of Africa."
-His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Amadi Nkruma, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Roman Empire in Africa in General and Chad in Particular

"I am the only rightful Emperor of Asia. Asia shall be one house under my rule."
- Emperor Puyi after being declared Regent by the Kenpaitei, 1979

"The blood of the fascists shall water the gardens of Japan, and we shall forever relish in their defeat, for they shall not hold up against the triumph of the people."
- Empress Akane, 1979

"The final solution to the infidel question is extermination. I shall rid the world of all others but Indonesian Muslims. Every nation shall burn under the mighty boots of Indonesia, and we shall rid the world of Japan, of China, of Britain, of Germany and of the Confederacy, the Islamic World shall be enlightened under one house!"
- Admiral Wahyu of Indonesia, 1958

"That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man- when I could get it- and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?
Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? Intellect, that's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?
Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.
If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back, and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them."
- Canadian abolitionist and suffragette Sojourner Truth in the Confederate city of Akron, 1851

"...the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.
...
We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the Confederate States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.
There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why did our forefathers stand to defend their rights against the British Empire? Why does Rice play Texas?
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."
- President-Elect John F. Kennedy, 1962

"The world is very different now, for man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe- the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americaners- born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by peace, proud of our ancient heritage- and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
...
And so, my fellow Americaners: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
- inaugural address of CS President John F. Kennedy, 1963

"But all these years later, the negro still is not free. All these years later, the life of the negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. All these years later, the negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. All these years later, the negro is still languished in the corners of Americaner society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the Martyred Fathers of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the First Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the 'unalienable rights' of 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked 'insufficient funds'.
But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.
We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
...
In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.
...
There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, 'When will you be satisfied?' We can never be satisfied as long as the negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating 'for whites only'. We cannot be satisfied as long as a negro in New Orleans cannot vote and a negro in Chicago believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
...
And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Americaner dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to my home with.
With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
...
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.
And so, let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of Sonora. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New Mexico. Let freedom ring from the heightening Appalachians of Virginia. Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Utah. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that. Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring!
And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old negro spiritual:
Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, we are free at last!"
- civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr., in Washington, 1963

Five score and eighteen years ago, the Martyred Fathers dreamt of a new nation on this continent, conceived in liberty, dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Two score and seventeen years ago, the Victorious Fathers made this into a reality.
Now the world is engaged in a great world war, testing whether that nation- or any nation so conceived and so dedicated- can long endure. We meet near to the battlefields of all three of the great wars this nation has faced, part of a continent that has itself become a battlefield. We have come here to dedicate a ground once owned by one of our great leaders, near where another great leader of ours gave his life in the hope that his nation would live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate or consecrate this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who have struggled for our nation, have consecrated it, far beyond our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here- but it can never forget what has been done by those who will rest here. It is for us, the living, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who have fought for our country have so nobly advanced. It is rather for us here to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to the cause for which they gave their lives- that we here highly resolve that those dead shall not have died in vain- that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom- and that government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth."
- President Thomas Hendricks at the dedication of Arlington National Cemetery, 1891

"Today is truly a day of victory. A victory for not only the Russian people but a victory in the name of peace at last. I only wish Trotsky and Belinsky had lived to see this."
-Vladimir Lenin giving a speech in Moscow after the overthrow of the Republic by the communists, 1991.

"Our free peoples stand surrounded by the empires of fear and blood, empires that wish for us to be their slaves. To the east, there is Russia, looking to expand west; to the west, the Germans, looking to expand east; to the south, Rum, looking to expand north. If we remain divided, then we remain weak, we remain targets for those who would conquer us.
We will not permit this. The nations of Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Baltic Union, and Finland-Estonia are entitled to sovereignty and liberty, and we will not allow these to be stolen from us. We have fought long and hard for what is rightfully ours, and we will not abandon these hard-fought rights. We will not be intimidated, nor will we be harassed, nor will we be oppressed. We will stand before those who seek our destruction and deny them. We will stand before Death, before Slavery, before Tyranny, and we will tell them, 'not today and not ever'. We will defy evil, and will survive in spite of it all.
The Yugoslav, Czechoslovak, Polish, Baltic, and Finnish-Estonian people will never again be shackled or conquered. From this day forth, we shall stand united, as friends. From this day forward, we shall protect each other from all threats, foreign and domestic, to guarantee our mutual liberty, security, and prosperity. From this day forth, we are united as one in a great alliance, and will at all times cooperate with each other and strive together. From this day on we will stand beside each other as brothers, and we will do all that is necessary for the continued sovereignty and liberty of all our peoples."
- excerpt from the Intermarian Treaty, 1892

"There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the Intermarians and the Germans.
Let them come to Bratislava.
There are some who say that Germany is a free, democratic, peaceful country.
Let them come to Bratislava.
And there are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, that we should be working with the Germans.
Let them come to Bratislava.
And there are even a few who say that, while Germany has its flaws, they have been overblown by the Intermarium.
Let them come to Bratislava."
- Czechoslovak President Aleksandr Dubček

"There is no such thing as the nation. There is only humanity. And if we do not come to understand this soon, then there will be no nations, because there will be no humanity."
- attributed to Fahd al-Massoum, first Grand Mufti of Mauritania

"We are a nation of differences, and that cannot be denied. But that will never be our weakness. It will always be our strength. We all know this, in our hearts. We will survive the attacks from those who would force us to fight our brothers and sisters, and we will emerge more unified than ever before. That is who we are. That is what we are built upon. That is what we stand for. That is how we live."
- Yugoslavia's King Dragomir, 2000, following the Yugoslav Wars

"Whatever our beliefs, we must cherish three things above all: cooperation, tolerance, and righteousness. For these three values, there is no substitute."
- Hayim ben Tziyon, the Zionist Papers

"I want there to be two mottos on this coat of arms you have given to me: above the shield, the words veritas vos liberabit, the truth will set you free, and below the shield, the words calamus gladio fortior, the pen is mightier than the sword. These are the words that I have lived by, and I hope those who come after me shall live by them as well."
- Georg von Licht, after being told that the Emperor of Germany was allowing the von Licht family a coat of arms, 1837

by **Unicario** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:38 pm

"...the Venezuelans are very good at this sort of thing. I'm speaking to you from behind a pair of fake Ray-Bans, wearing a fake Armani jacket, carrying a fake Louis Vuitton bag, in which we find a fake iPad and a fake iPhone. And if we consult my fake Omega watch, we see that it's 2:35, probably, which means that it's time to pop into the fake Starbucks over there for a cup of fake coffee. It seems, then, that the expression 'copyright infringement' doesn't translate very well into Venezuelan Spanish."
- Jeremy Clarkson, host of the British TV show Top Gear

"If we were to have a war between the German Empire and Canada, I think France would probably win."
- Takeshi Kitano on Comedy Hour during the 2014 Czechoslovak War

"Yesterday, December Seventh, 1891, a date which will live in infamy, the Empire of Japan was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Confederate States of America. We will gain the inevitable triumph, so help us Meiji..."
- Emperor Alexander I addressing an emergency meeting of the Japanese Senate on December 8, 1891.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
- Incorrectly attributed to Thomas A. Hendricks, President of the CSA on December 8, 1891, real source unknown.

"You cannot invade the Japanese mainland. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."
- Unknown Confederate military commander on Okinawa, 1892

"Liberty secured by submission to foreign will is not liberty at all."
- Kim Il-sung, 1964

"We welcome change and brotherhood, for we believe that freedom and brotherhood go together, that the advance of world peace can only strengthen the cause of human liberty. There is one sign the German government can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. Chancellor Kohl, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Holy Roman Empire and its allies of Hungary and Denmark, if you seek reconciliation, come here to this gate. Chancellor Kohl, open this gate. Chancellor Kohl, tear down this wall!
...
"As I looked out a moment ago from the town hall, looking towards Bratislava just across the Iron Curtain, I noticed words crudely spray-painted upon the wall, perhaps by a young German. It said, 'This wall will fall. Beliefs become reality.' Yes, across Central Europe, this wall will fall. For it cannot withstand fraternity; it cannot withstand truth. This wall cannot withstand freedom."
- Ronald Reagan, 1987, speaking in the German town of Kittsee, near the Czechoslovak border

"We the People of the Empire of Japan, hold these truths to be self-evident, that all humans, of all creeds, races, colors and faiths are equal, and are invested by their creator with the capacity to great good, and great evil, and the capacity to know right from wrong, therefore their sovereign right to personal liberties shall never be infringed upon..."
- Preface to the Japanese Constitution, ratified 1789

"We, the People, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and ensure the blessings of liberty unto ourselves and our posterity do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America."
- Preamble to the CS Constitution, ratified 1834

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
-Oleksandr Kostiuk, 1903

"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem."

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
-Stanislav Pavlenko

"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them in parliament."
-Grigori Petrovsky, on western governments

"It is about time this "Axis of Evil" is dealt a good blow and is put back into their place."
-Horatius Agrioli, 1894

"The truth is that men are tired of liberty."

"Every anarchist is a baffled dictator."
-Benito Mussolini, 1901

"The socialist movement in Venezuela and the feeling of Pan-Latin-Americanism are inseparable."
-Che Guevara

"What the northerners do not understand is that Venezuela, and other south American nations do not apperecite being fearmongered into the same hegemonic empires from which we struggled to break free."
-Esteban Lopez, 1897

"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end."
-Antoni Belinsky, to Stanislav Pavlenko on the Balkan Wars.

"Saying you do not believe in the use of force is like saying you do not believe in gravity."
-Antoni Belinsky, 1891

"It is easy to romanticize poverty, to see poor people as inherently lacking agency and will. It is easy to strip them of human dignity, to reduce them to objects of pity. This has never been clearer than in the view of Africa from the American media, in which we are shown poverty and conflicts without any context."

"I am the hero of Africa."
-His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Amadi Nkruma, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the Roman Empire in Africa in General and Chad in Particular

"I am the only rightful Emperor of Asia. Asia shall be one house under my rule."
- Emperor Puyi after being declared Regent by the Kenpaitei, 1979

"The blood of the fascists shall water the gardens of Japan, and we shall forever relish in their defeat, for they shall not hold up against the triumph of the people."
- Empress Akane, 1979

"The final solution to the infidel question is extermination. I shall rid the world of all others but Indonesian Muslims. Every nation shall burn under the mighty boots of Indonesia, and we shall rid the world of Japan, of China, of Britain, of Germany and of the Confederacy, the Islamic World shall be enlightened under one house!"
- Admiral Wahyu of Indonesia, 1958

"That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man- when I could get it- and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?
Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? Intellect, that's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?
Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.
If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back, and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them."
- Canadian abolitionist and suffragette Sojourner Truth in the Confederate city of Akron, 1851

"...the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.
...
We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the Confederate States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.
There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why did our forefathers stand to defend their rights against the British Empire? Why does Rice play Texas?
We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."
- President-Elect John F. Kennedy, 1962

"The world is very different now, for man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe- the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.
We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americaners- born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by peace, proud of our ancient heritage- and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
...
And so, my fellow Americaners: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
- inaugural address of CS President John F. Kennedy, 1963

"But all these years later, the negro still is not free. All these years later, the life of the negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. All these years later, the negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. All these years later, the negro is still languished in the corners of Americaner society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the Martyred Fathers of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the First Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the 'unalienable rights' of 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked 'insufficient funds'.
But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.
We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.
...
In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.
...
There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, 'When will you be satisfied?' We can never be satisfied as long as the negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating 'for whites only'. We cannot be satisfied as long as a negro in New Orleans cannot vote and a negro in Chicago believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.
...
And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Americaner dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.
This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to my home with.
With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
...
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.
And so, let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of Sonora. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New Mexico. Let freedom ring from the heightening Appalachians of Virginia. Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Utah. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that. Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring!
And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old negro spiritual:
Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, we are free at last!"
- civil rights activist Martin Luther King, Jr., in Washington, 1963

Five score and eighteen years ago, the Martyred Fathers dreamt of a new nation on this continent, conceived in liberty, dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Two score and seventeen years ago, the Victorious Fathers made this into a reality.
Now the world is engaged in a great world war, testing whether that nation- or any nation so conceived and so dedicated- can long endure. We meet near to the battlefields of all three of the great wars this nation has faced, part of a continent that has itself become a battlefield. We have come here to dedicate a ground once owned by one of our great leaders, near where another great leader of ours gave his life in the hope that his nation would live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate or consecrate this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who have struggled for our nation, have consecrated it, far beyond our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here- but it can never forget what has been done by those who will rest here. It is for us, the living, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who have fought for our country have so nobly advanced. It is rather for us here to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to the cause for which they gave their lives- that we here highly resolve that those dead shall not have died in vain- that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom- and that government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth."
- President Thomas Hendricks at the dedication of Arlington National Cemetery, 1891

"Today is truly a day of victory. A victory for not only the Russian people but a victory in the name of peace at last. I only wish Trotsky and Belinsky had lived to see this."
-Vladimir Lenin giving a speech in Moscow after the overthrow of the Republic by the communists, 1991.

"Our free peoples stand surrounded by the empires of fear and blood, empires that wish for us to be their slaves. To the east, there is Russia, looking to expand west; to the west, the Germans, looking to expand east; to the south, Rum, looking to expand north. If we remain divided, then we remain weak, we remain targets for those who would conquer us.
We will not permit this. The nations of Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Baltic Union, and Finland-Estonia are entitled to sovereignty and liberty, and we will not allow these to be stolen from us. We have fought long and hard for what is rightfully ours, and we will not abandon these hard-fought rights. We will not be intimidated, nor will we be harassed, nor will we be oppressed. We will stand before those who seek our destruction and deny them. We will stand before Death, before Slavery, before Tyranny, and we will tell them, 'not today and not ever'. We will defy evil, and will survive in spite of it all.
The Yugoslav, Czechoslovak, Polish, Baltic, and Finnish-Estonian people will never again be shackled or conquered. From this day forth, we shall stand united, as friends. From this day forward, we shall protect each other from all threats, foreign and domestic, to guarantee our mutual liberty, security, and prosperity. From this day forth, we are united as one in a great alliance, and will at all times cooperate with each other and strive together. From this day on we will stand beside each other as brothers, and we will do all that is necessary for the continued sovereignty and liberty of all our peoples."
- excerpt from the Intermarian Treaty, 1892

"There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the Intermarians and the Germans.
Let them come to Bratislava.
There are some who say that Germany is a free, democratic, peaceful country.
Let them come to Bratislava.
And there are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, that we should be working with the Germans.
Let them come to Bratislava.
And there are even a few who say that, while Germany has its flaws, they have been overblown by the Intermarium.
Let them come to Bratislava."
- Czechoslovak President Aleksandr Dubček

"There is no such thing as the nation. There is only humanity. And if we do not come to understand this soon, then there will be no nations, because there will be no humanity."
- attributed to Fahd al-Massoum, first Grand Mufti of Mauritania

"We are a nation of differences, and that cannot be denied. But that will never be our weakness. It will always be our strength. We all know this, in our hearts. We will survive the attacks from those who would force us to fight our brothers and sisters, and we will emerge more unified than ever before. That is who we are. That is what we are built upon. That is what we stand for. That is how we live."
- Yugoslavia's King Dragomir, 2000, following the Yugoslav Wars

"Whatever our beliefs, we must cherish three things above all: cooperation, tolerance, and righteousness. For these three values, there is no substitute."
- Hayim ben Tziyon, the Zionist Papers

"I want there to be two mottos on this coat of arms you have given to me: above the shield, the words veritas vos liberabit, the truth will set you free, and below the shield, the words calamus gladio fortior, the pen is mightier than the sword. These are the words that I have lived by, and I hope those who come after me shall live by them as well."
- Georg von Licht, after being told that the Emperor of Germany was allowing the von Licht family a coat of arms, 1837

"My husband considered himself Chinese. Though he had long since been truly Japanese, his mother, grandmother, and great grandfather all being Japanese, he still called himself Chinese. The court of Manchukuo resembled something out of an old kabuki theatre depiction of a Chinese court in the time before Daoguang... and yet, Puyi relished in every minute. He considered himself more and more Chinese, despite the fact that the very nation he was warring against through his Empire of Manchukuo was the nation he claimed to be saving from corruption. I had long loathed what he was doing, but I was powerless to stop it by that point. When the Kwangtung officers told us we were evacuating Harbin for a region further north in Manchuria, I refused to go, and fled southwest. I met my family again, my darling mother, and I returned to Japan shortly afterwards, and divorced him, and we never spoke again."
- Princess Zheng Aisin-Gioro, wife of Emperor Puyi (1928-1938), 1989

"If I ever see that rat Puyi again, I will strangle him."
- Emperor Dowager Alexander, 1980

"By order of the National Preservation Council, and transitional Emperor of the Ethiopian nation, Qing, you, Puyi, dishonorable ronin, expelled from the Aisin-Gioro clan for treasonous actions against your own blood, waging a war for several years in Manchuria, claiming to be the true Son of Heaven in Manchuria, the rightful Chinese Emperor. Expelled from the Yamato clan for your attempts to unseat Akane, Esteemed Empress of the Japanese Empire. The dishonorable one, Puyi, is also charged with seditious acts against Ethiopia, consorting with terrorists, and bypassing the rule of parliament without constitutional right. You are hereby sentenced by this court to death..."
- General Tafari Makonnen Woldemikael, 1983

"Do you hear the people sing, singing the song of angry men, it is the music of a nation that will never slumber again,
When the beating of our hearts echoes the roaring of the drums,
A nation shall be reborn when tomorrow comes!"
- Rallying cry of the Juche rebels, 1979, taken from Die Elenden's play form.

by **Ruridova** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:46 pm

Countries
(work in progress; assuming no serious governmental changes currently unplanned occur in any of my countries:)

VASCONIA founded 1851

HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (re)founded 1821

DENMARK (re)founded 1869

During the Crisis of 2014, the Danish monarchy announced Denmark's defection from Germany, which had refused to let Denmark(previously a puppet) elect a legislature. As a sign of defiance, Queen Charlotte announced that a Folketinget would be created immediately, elected by the Danish people.

CZECHOSLOVAKIA founded 1891

GALICIA founded 1891

In 1900, by popular referendum in both countries, Galicia united with the newly-independent Poland.

HUNGARY founded 1835

CAUCASIA founded 1835

YUGOSLAVIA founded 1838

In 1897, in an act of reform intended to make the government more inclusive, King Sviatopolk announced the creation of a National Assembly to be headed by a Prime Minister, and that this Prime Minister would take the majority of the country's executive power.

RUSSIA(ALASKA) founded 1721 but leaders will not be listed before 1917

POLAND founded 1899

FINLAND-ESTONIA founded 1899

BALTIC UNION founded 1899

QUEBEC founded 1834

CONFEDERACY founded 1834

RIO GRANDE founded 1838

AL-MAYIQUH founded 1838

TEHUANTEPEC founded 1838

THE VOLTA founded 1954

KAMERUN founded 1960

CENTRAL AFRICA founded 1960

In 1969, Bokassa seized absolute control, declaring himself Emperor Bokassa I of the new Central African Empire.

In 2001, following years of discontent, Bokassa II resigned, returning the country to democratic rule under a Central African Republic.

CONGO/ZAIRE founded 1961

TANGANYIKA founded 1964

ZANZIBAR founded 1856

NAMIBIA founded 1967

NORTH NEW GUINEA founded 1986

NIIHAU founded 1891 but holders of the titles Shogun of Japan and Ali'i of Niihau before 1891 will not be listed

MAURITANIA founded 1863

JIAOZHOU founded 2014

Organizations

ZIONIST WORLD CONGRESS founded 1892

by **Unicario** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:19 pm

The Empire of the Netherlands

Capital: Amsterdam, Kingdom of Holland
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
National Language: Dutch, Flemish, Wallonian, Frankish
National Religion: Secular, though Reformed Protestant is the absolute majority.

Sovereign Monarchs

King Lodewijk I (House of Bonaparte)
Born: 2 September 1778 | Death: 25 July 1846 (died of old age)
Reign: 5 June 1806 to 1 July 1810 (overthrown by Napoleon I of France)
King Lodewijk II (House of Bonaparte)
Born: 11 October 1804 | Death: 17 March 1831 (died of Measles)
Reign: 1 July 1810 to 9 July 1810 (overthrown by Napoleon of France)

Napoleonic Interregnum - 9 July 1810 to 6 December 1813

King Willem I (House of Oranje-Nassau)
Born: 24 August 1772 | Death: 12 December 1843
Reign: 6 December 1813 to 7 October 1840
King Willem II (House of Oranje-Nassau)
Born: 19 February 1817 | Death: 23 November 1890
Reign: 7 October 1840 to 23 November 1890
Empress Wilhelmina (House of Oranje-Nassau)
Born: 31 August 1880 | Death: 28 November 1962
Reign: 23 November 1890 to 4 September 1948 (abdicated)
Empress Juliana (House of Oranje-Nassau-Mecklenburg)
Born: 30 April 1909 | Death: 20 March 2004
Reign: 4 September 1948 to 30 April 1980 (abdicated)
Emperor James I (House of Oranje-Nassau-Yamato)
Born: 16 December 1973
Reign: 30 April 1980 to present day
James, Prince of Orange (House of Oranje-Nassau-Yamato)
Born: 19 August 1989
Current Heir to the Throne (since 1989)

Prime Ministers

Gerrit Schimmelpenninck (1837-1848) - Independent
Jacob de Kempenaer (1848-1849) - Independent
Johan Rudolph Thorbecke (1849-1853) - National Conservative
Floris Adriaan van Hall (1853-1856) - Liberal Democrat
Jan Jacob Rochussen (1856-1870) - Liberal Democrat
Johan Rudolph Thorbecke (1870-1871) - National Conservative
Gerrit de Vries (1871-1890) - National Populist
Gijsbert van Tienhoven (1890-1906) - National Unity Front
Joan Röell (1906-1911) - Socialist
Hendrik Filip van Kales (1911-1925) - People's Democratic Party
Charles Ruijs de Beerenbrouck (1925-1931) - People's Democratic Party
Hendrikus Colijn (1931-1942) - People's Democratic Party
Karel van Galliër (1942-1957) - Socialist
Willem Drees (1957-1971) - Socialist
Barend Biesheuvel (1971-1986) - People's Democratic Party
Ruud Lubbers (1986-1994) - People's Democratic Party
Jan Peter Balkenende (1994-2004) - Socialist
Mark Rutte (2004-) - Liberal Democrat

by **Ruridova** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:53 pm

Just going to warn y'all that I'll be in Washington, D.C. for the next week, and will have less time to RP than usual.

by **Shrillland** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:37 pm

That's OK. Have a lovely time there.

by **Unicario** » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:34 pm

England to Scotland, Japan to Korea, Germany to Austria.
To be together forever with you!

by **The Vaktovian Empire** » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:51 pm

The one time I'm on, the activity level is 0% :eyebrow:

by **Ruridova** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:59 pm

OTL: Election Day 2014 is a midterm election, with the House, some Senate seats, and some governorships up for grabs.

However, CS elections are two years off from US elections because of the difference in founding. So...

ATL: Election Day 2014 is an election with the House, some Senate seats, and some governorships up for grabs. It is also the Presidential Election, putting incumbent Republican Barack Obama against Democratic challenger Mitt Romney.

by **Unicario** » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:06 pm

Ruridova wrote:OTL: Election Day 2014 is a midterm election, with the House, some Senate seats, and some governorships up for grabs.

However, CS elections are two years off from US elections because of the difference in founding. So...

ATL: Election Day 2014 is an election with the House, some Senate seats, and some governorships up for grabs. It is also the Presidential Election, putting incumbent Republican Barack Obama against Democratic challenger Mitt Romney.

You took my suggestion. Hue hue hue.

About me · by **Luziyca** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:04 am

The Vaktovian Empire wrote:The one time I'm on, the activity level is 0%

Yeah, that's true. On the plus side, you can make a RP post and take your time in making as detailed and beautiful as you want.

by **Ruridova** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:16 am

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:OTL: Election Day 2014 is a midterm election, with the House, some Senate seats, and some governorships up for grabs.

However, CS elections are two years off from US elections because of the difference in founding. So...

ATL: Election Day 2014 is an election with the House, some Senate seats, and some governorships up for grabs. It is also the Presidential Election, putting incumbent Republican Barack Obama against Democratic challenger Mitt Romney.

You took my suggestion. Hue hue hue.

Your suggestion was that the parties would flip, but later than OTL. My plan was that they wouldn't flip- the Democrats would stay conservative, the Republicans would stay progressive.

Seeing that, ATL, Obama is Republican and Romney is Democratic... I don't think I took your suggestion. Sorry.

by **Shrillland** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:39 am

Sorry for the inaction, I'll try to have something up within the next few days.

by **Bojikami** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:08 pm

I'll post later today something involving Venezuela and the communists in Guyane.

by **Unicario** » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:30 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
You took my suggestion. Hue hue hue.

Your suggestion was that the parties would flip, but later than OTL. My plan was that they wouldn't flip- the Democrats would stay conservative, the Republicans would stay progressive.

Seeing that, ATL, Obama is Republican and Romney is Democratic... I don't think I took your suggestion. Sorry.

...It basically was, and that's not a bad thing, why the attitude about it? :|

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