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- Germany is always a Reichtangle
- Imperial Russia always wears a crown(generally one too big for it)
- Jews and the Jewish Autonomous Oblast are cubes
- the CSA has sunglasses
- Quebec has a beret
- Britain has a top hat and a monocle
- Jiaozhou has a pickelhaube, and uses German and Chinese/Jiaozhouan words intermittently
- the USSR has three eyes
- Japan does not have 'Asian' features
- Madagascar ends all of it's sentences with "eh"
- Rum always wears a turban
- Indochina always wears a red beret
- Mauritania always wears a keffiyeh
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The Miserable Ones is a 2012 British epic romantic musical historical drama film produced by Working Title Films and distributed by Universal Pictures. The film is based on the 1838 musical of the same name by world famous German writer Georg von Licht. The film is directed by Tom Hooper, scripted by William Nicholson, Boublil, Schönberg, and Herbert Kretzmer, and stars an ensemble cast led by Hugh Jackman, Russell Crowe, Anne Hathaway, and Amanda Seyfried.

The film tells the story of Jan Janowski (Jackman), an ex-convict who, inspired by a kindly bishop, decides to turn his life around. He eventually becomes mayor of a town in Germany and owner of a factory in that town. He is always alert to the risk of being captured again by police inspector Eugen Marschall (Crowe), who is ruthless in hunting down law-breakers, believing they cannot change for the better. One of Janowski's factory workers, Jagwiga (Hathaway), blames him for her being cast into a life of prostitution. When she dies, he feels responsible and agrees to take care of her illegitimate daughter, Andzelika — though he must first escape Eugen. Later, when Andzelika (Seyfried) is grown, they are swept up in the political turmoil in Posen, which culminates in the Posen Uprising of 1838.

The Miserable Ones premiered in London on 5 December 2012, and was released on 25 December 2012 in the Confederate States, on 26 December 2012 in Australia and Japan, and on 11 January 2013 in the United Kingdom.

Running time 158 minutes
Country United Kingdom
Language English
Budget $61 million
Box office $441,809,770

Cast:
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Russell Crowe as Eugen Marschall
Anne Hathaway as Jagwiga Rejewicz
Amanda Seyfried as the adult Andzelika Rejewicz
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:55 pm

My additions:

Guyane has a beret, maybe Toliara Province if I could find a suitable Francophony flag.
Madagascar, Kyrgyzstan, maybe Kenya, as well as China (duh) has Asian features.
Crimea must have a turban at all times.

I will think of more.
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So apparently Zionism was actually going through a lull at the present time in the IC thread, and was rekindled in the mid-1890s by a German Jewish author, who wrote a political treatise on the creation of a Jewish state.

Now I'm not huge on political treatises, but a fictional story endorsing the same concept, written by a different German Jew? That might pop up in the IC before too long...
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Ruridova wrote:So apparently Zionism was actually going through a lull at the present time in the IC thread, and was rekindled in the mid-1890s by a German Jewish author, who wrote a political treatise on the creation of a Jewish state.

Now I'm not huge on political treatises, but a fictional story endorsing the same concept, written by a different German Jew? That might pop up in the IC before too long...


Zionism plays a part in Rum's history later on -- Rumite Jews (who have been moving into the Israel region for some period of time) are mostly anti-Zionists, as they feel that an independent Israel would be "potentially driven to extremes by radicals" -- while Zionists are typically foreign Jews. Zionists are considered seditious persons in modern Rum and are usually detained, arrested or expulsed.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:05 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:So apparently Zionism was actually going through a lull at the present time in the IC thread, and was rekindled in the mid-1890s by a German Jewish author, who wrote a political treatise on the creation of a Jewish state.

Now I'm not huge on political treatises, but a fictional story endorsing the same concept, written by a different German Jew? That might pop up in the IC before too long...


Zionism plays a part in Rum's history later on -- Rumite Jews (who have been moving into the Israel region for some period of time) are mostly anti-Zionists, as they feel that an independent Israel would be "potentially driven to extremes by radicals" -- while Zionists are typically foreign Jews. Zionists are considered seditious persons in modern Rum and are usually detained, arrested or expulsed.

In the 1920s up to the 1950s, you could send them to the Crimea and help dilute the Ukrain... sorry, "prisoners of war" that inhabit the northern provinces and reduce Ukrainian Orthodoxy's dominance in the north (it will fail, though).
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Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:So apparently Zionism was actually going through a lull at the present time in the IC thread, and was rekindled in the mid-1890s by a German Jewish author, who wrote a political treatise on the creation of a Jewish state.

Now I'm not huge on political treatises, but a fictional story endorsing the same concept, written by a different German Jew? That might pop up in the IC before too long...


Zionism plays a part in Rum's history later on -- Rumite Jews (who have been moving into the Israel region for some period of time) are mostly anti-Zionists, as they feel that an independent Israel would be "potentially driven to extremes by radicals" -- while Zionists are typically foreign Jews. Zionists are considered seditious persons in modern Rum and are usually detained, arrested or expulsed.

So how would Rum react to the publication of such a book?

What about the outcry of the Jewish diaspora abroad against Rum's actions?
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Unicario wrote:
Zionism plays a part in Rum's history later on -- Rumite Jews (who have been moving into the Israel region for some period of time) are mostly anti-Zionists, as they feel that an independent Israel would be "potentially driven to extremes by radicals" -- while Zionists are typically foreign Jews. Zionists are considered seditious persons in modern Rum and are usually detained, arrested or expulsed.

In the 1920s up to the 1950s, you could send them to the Crimea and help dilute the Ukrain... sorry, "prisoners of war" that inhabit the northern provinces and reduce Ukrainian Orthodoxy's dominance in the north (it will fail, though).

Yes, and the ATL Jewish Autonomous Oblast is far more hospitable. During the period where Caucasia ruled parts of Russia, they exterminated the Circassians, Ossetians, Chechnyans, Adygheans, Dagestanis, etc., leaving them empty. Russia retook that land in the Great War, pushing the Caucasians back to the OTL Russian border- meaning these lands are now in Russian hands, are far more hospitable than Siberia, and are ready to be moved in to.


So the ATL JAO is in far southern Russia.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:20 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Zionism plays a part in Rum's history later on -- Rumite Jews (who have been moving into the Israel region for some period of time) are mostly anti-Zionists, as they feel that an independent Israel would be "potentially driven to extremes by radicals" -- while Zionists are typically foreign Jews. Zionists are considered seditious persons in modern Rum and are usually detained, arrested or expulsed.

So how would Rum react to the publication of such a book?

What about the outcry of the Jewish diaspora abroad against Rum's actions?
Luziyca wrote:In the 1920s up to the 1950s, you could send them to the Crimea and help dilute the Ukrain... sorry, "prisoners of war" that inhabit the northern provinces and reduce Ukrainian Orthodoxy's dominance in the north (it will fail, though).

Yes, and the ATL Jewish Autonomous Oblast is far more hospitable. During the period where Caucasia ruled parts of Russia, they exterminated the Circassians, Ossetians, Chechnyans, Adygheans, Dagestanis, etc., leaving them empty. Russia retook that land in the Great War, pushing the Caucasians back to the OTL Russian border- meaning these lands are now in Russian hands, are far more hospitable than Siberia, and are ready to be moved in to.


So the ATL JAO is in far southern Russia.

Well, after the war, Crimea will encourage immigration, encouraging Muslims and Zionists to move to northern Crimea. Settlements will be constructed based on Islamic principles with a mosque and/or synagogue at the center, with a public square in front. In 1935, Muslim-majority areas in the northern Ukrainian-majority provinces will be carved and form their own provinces (it'd be reversed in 1959 when the 1923 Prisoners of War Act was deemed unconstitutional), turning the north into a patchwork of areas (Ukrainian and Muslim enclaves in the north), with Muslim-majority areas very well off and Ukrainian areas very poor.

From 1838 to 1923, Crimea discriminated against Ukrainians, but after 1923 when the Calipha declared discrimination by race to be un-Islamic, the 1923 Prisoner of War Act was passed, dividing POWs into two categories.

Category A would be Ukrainians living in the Crimea, either descendants of those who migrated to the Crimea prior to independence or captured during the war. They have the right to vote and be represented, but subject to some restrictions (varies by provinces, with generally Muslim-majority areas imposing Jim Crow laws against them, include Aqyar/Sevastopol which despite having a Ukrainian plurality, is dominated by Muslims, while the north doesn't), as well as forbidding interracial marriage between Category A POWs and any other ethnic group (i.e. Ukrainians can only marry Ukrainians, they can't marry Turks, Romanians, or Tatars, for example). De-facto, all legislation referring to Ukrainians prior to 1923 regarding racism is replaced with Category A POWs.

Category B is basically a standard Prisoner of War and covered only by the Geneva Conventions, so an example is a Romanian POW captured in the war or a Caucasian spy.

To get back to my original point, there will be not!LA riots in Aqyar/Sevastopol come 1992. And yes, the Ukrainians will have a Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:34 am

Ruridova wrote:So how would Rum react to the publication of such a book?

What about the outcry of the Jewish diaspora abroad against Rum's actions?


Rum would probably condemn the book's Zionist message and say that the "Holy Land" is the legitimate territory of the Rumite Empire, who has the been the most competent steward in hundreds of years, and that the people of the Holy Land are content, happy and prosperous. (The Zionist Revolt that follows between 1948 and 1953 would change the message that Zionists are enemies of all nations and will stop at nothing to impose their will on the world)

The Jewish diaspora outside Rum would probably get pissy that Rum refuses to let them have Israel -- The Jews living inside of Rum that are citizens are treated very well, they live all through out the Empire, with the largest Jewish population actually being in Tripolitania and Cyrenaica instead of Palestine. However, foreign Jews, depending on their beliefs, may be hostile. Between 1948 and 1953, a group of Zionists invaded Rum using weapons acquired from backdoor contacts to create a State of Israel, however, Rum soundly defeated them and undertook a deportation of non-citizen Jews living in Palestine, either back home, or to other parts of Rum, or even into the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia.

Rum would in general respect the rights of the Jews, and treat them as citizens and people, but Zionism is frowned upon and a crime to publically espouse. Rum would encourage nations to stop Zionism as it will "cause disruption in the Middle East".

Though, Golda Meir is the Grand Vizier from 1942 to 1971. During her reign, Zionism kind of declined; A Jewish leader of an empire kind of made the Zionists shut up a little bit. By the time she left office and her successors came in, Zionism was mostly a radical ideology propped up by very few people. Most of the Jewish people of Rum were happy under Rumite rule.
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>Apartheid
>Getrennenheit
>Crimean segregation
>Caucasian genocide
>Ainu massacres and expulsions

We escaped some horrors of OTL, but in retrospect, how much better is ATL from OTL? >>
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Unicario wrote:>Apartheid
>Getrennenheit
>Crimean segregation
>Caucasian genocide
>Ainu massacres and expulsions

We escaped some horrors of OTL, but in retrospect, how much better is ATL from OTL? >>

You forgot the Crimean Genocide.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:13 am

Unicario wrote:>Apartheid
>Getrennenheit
>Crimean segregation
>Caucasian genocide
>Ainu massacres and expulsions

We escaped some horrors of OTL, but in retrospect, how much better is ATL from OTL? >>


Em...we haven't escaped Apartheid. That will probably proceed on schedule.
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Shrillland wrote:
Unicario wrote:>Apartheid
>Getrennenheit
>Crimean segregation
>Caucasian genocide
>Ainu massacres and expulsions

We escaped some horrors of OTL, but in retrospect, how much better is ATL from OTL? >>


Em...we haven't escaped Apartheid. That will probably proceed on schedule.


All those things above were stuff in ATL. We avoided several nasty things OTL, but we're still in a pretty shitty world. :P
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Hawaii remembering his past, while Japan and CSA watch a rainbow. It's supposed to represent peace and reconciliation. :P
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:30 am

Unicario wrote:>Apartheid
>Getrennenheit
>Crimean segregation
>Caucasian genocide
>Ainu massacres and expulsions

We escaped some horrors of OTL, but in retrospect, how much better is ATL from OTL? >>

Well, on the plus side, our segregation brought this...

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That town was founded in 1907 by Turkish immigrants from the Rumite Empire as the "City of Angels" (Melekler Şehri, ئثمثنمثق سثاقه). The Crimean government would immediately fund its development, like many other Muslim towns in the north, hiring the finest Crimean architects to build entire cities. While the poor Turks built the first few buildings, many Ukrainians built the city.

When the city was completed in 1912, it was designed to house 40,000 people. Ukrainians were barred from living here (they had a sundown rule, prohibiting Ukrainians to stay after sunset, nor come before sunrise). Every home had electricity, sewage and proper sanitation, common among the settlements, but rare among many towns (both Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar). By 1920, it went from 5,000 in 1910 to 35,000, so an expansion was warranted. By 1930, there would be room for 200,000 people, and the population was at 70,000 people.

In 1935, it was separated out of Rozdolne Province/Aqşeyh Province (Aqşeyh İl, شضسثغاهم) and became the capital of Melek Province (Melek İl, ئثمثنهم). That province was comprised of the southernmost tip of Aqseyh Province surrounding the city and nearby settlements. By 1950, the population of the city rose to 168,000, almost completely Muslim. Melek Province was Ukrainian-free because of a sundown rule that covered the whole province, in addition to regular segregation. In 1951, the Provincial Court overturned that ban and many Ukrainians began returning to their old villages.

After 1959 when the Supreme Court of the Crimean Khanate ruled that the 1923 Prisoner of War Act was unconstitutional and that the 1935 border changes also violated the 1837 Constitution, the Rozdolne Provincial Government was quick to impose Novoselivs'ke (Новоселовское, دخرخسثمهرسنث) as the name of the town, and legally forbade the use of Melekler Sehri for all purposes, despite a significant local opposition. West of the old town, high rises were built to accommodate Ukrainians, who generally were hostile to Muslims. While population rose to 315,000 people, 157,000 were Muslim, and the rest were Ukrainian by 1970. Racial tensions between the Crimean Tatars and Ukrainians began rising and hate crimes in particular began rising.

By 1974, the Crimean government under pressure by both sides declared both Novoselivs'ke and Melekler Sehri to be co-official. The Ukrainians living in the western side of the city used the former while the Tatars/Muslims used the latter. Despite the attempt to make Ukrainians equal, the Muslim Tatars still dominated the city, and in 1986, 28-year old Constable Ahmet Hayek shot and killed 19-year old Mikhail Zhov, triggering rioting between the Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars lasting for several days before the Crimean Armed Forces instituted martial law over the town. Many today see it as a precursor to the 1992 Aqyar/Sevastopol riots.

By 1990, the population was 378,000 people: 212,703 Ukrainians, 162,606 Crimean Tatars, and 2,691 others. After a referendum on a demerger in 1994 (to split the Ukrainian-majority and Crimean Tatar-majority areas into Novoselivs'ke and Melekler Sehri respectively), with a majority on both sides approving, it was done in 1996 after the formation of a metropolitan government to provide common services to both cities.

Since the de-merger, Novoselivs'ke has stabilized to 220,000 as of 2010, and Melekler Sehri saw a rise of population to 180,000 people. While they still have common electricity, sewage, water, and parks, they notably have their own separate police services.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:13 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ruridova wrote:So how would Rum react to the publication of such a book?

What about the outcry of the Jewish diaspora abroad against Rum's actions?


Rum would probably condemn the book's Zionist message and say that the "Holy Land" is the legitimate territory of the Rumite Empire, who has the been the most competent steward in hundreds of years, and that the people of the Holy Land are content, happy and prosperous. (The Zionist Revolt that follows between 1948 and 1953 would change the message that Zionists are enemies of all nations and will stop at nothing to impose their will on the world)

Would it ban the book at any point?
The Jewish diaspora outside Rum would probably get pissy that Rum refuses to let them have Israel -- The Jews living inside of Rum that are citizens are treated very well, they live all through out the Empire, with the largest Jewish population actually being in Tripolitania and Cyrenaica instead of Palestine. However, foreign Jews, depending on their beliefs, may be hostile. Between 1948 and 1953, a group of Zionists invaded Rum using weapons acquired from backdoor contacts to create a State of Israel, however, Rum soundly defeated them and undertook a deportation of non-citizen Jews living in Palestine, either back home, or to other parts of Rum, or even into the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia.

See, the thing is, the Jewish Diaspora is going to be.... larger, to say the least, and I honestly doubt that as much of it will be in Turkey as it is OTL.
- the Ashkenazi Jews(Jews of Central and Eastern Europe, first of the three biggest groups), because of the lack of a Holocaust, are going to be far more numerous and more powerful. The JAO will be a safe haven for Ashkenazi Jews in the Russian sphere, and in Germany's sphere(where von Licht's book has basically sent anti-Semitism into full retreat) they're not likely to suffer the persecution they did OTL. This means there will be more of them, and they will be more powerful. The JAO might be seen as an interim Holy Land in Russia, but they're probably not going to settle for it. The Ashkenazi Jews who immigrated to the CSA(they're not likely to immigrate to Canada, so chances are Jewish communities that are in the OTL USA but ATL Canada would instead be in the ATL CSA) are also going to be pretty powerful and very passionate about Zionism(if RL is any sign). So Zionism would likely be pretty large among the Askenazi Jews.
- the Sephardi Jews(Jews of Western Europe, second of the three biggest groups), OTL, largely fled to the Ottomans during the Inquisition, along with Spain's Muslims. ATL, however, we seem to have agreed that Spain's Muslims were instead sent to the New World, forming al-Mayiquh. It thus makes sense that the Sephardi Jews were sent there as well, instead of going to Turkey. As a result, there's probably a decent Sephardi population there, in addition to the populations which remain in Europe(in fact, the Sephardi did immigrate to the New World IRL- the great cities of OTL Dixie have decent Sephardi populations who came over before the OTL Revolution, and that is likely to also be the case ATL). Chances are the al-Mayiquhan and Confederate Sephardi, and likely the European Sephardi, will harbor Zionist sentiment.
- the Mizrahi Jews(Jews of the Middle East, third of the three biggest groups), as you have explained, would be citizens of Rum, and would view Zionism as extremist.
- the Donme Jews(Jews of Turkey), as you have explained, would be citizens of Rum, and would view Zionism as extremist.
- the Romaniote Jews(Jews of Greece), as you have explained, would be citizens of Rum, and would view Zionism as extremist.
- the Italkim Jews(Jews of Italy) I can't tell you much about. Again, due to the lack of Holocaust, there would be more of them than ATL, but because they're Boji's I can't tell you their thoughts on Zionism.
- the Caucasian Jews(Jews of Caucasia, of course) would either flee to Russia or be killed. If they fled to Russia, they'd have the same thoughts on Zionism as the Russian Ashkenazi. If they're dead, then... well, they don't really get a say.
- the Krymchak Jews(Jews of Crimea, with minorities in Ukraine and Russia) are subject to three different rulers. Luz is going to use them to disenfranchise Ukrainians, but I can't tell you their thoughts on Zionism. The Ukrainian Karaites, I can tell you even less about. The Russian Karaites are likely to agree with the Russian Ashkenazi.

So...
VIEW ZIONISM AS LEGITIMATE Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Caucasian, some Krymchak
VIEW ZIONISM AS EXTREMIST Mizrahi, Donme, Romaniote
UNSURE VIEW ON ZIONISM Italkim, most Krymchak
Rum would in general respect the rights of the Jews, and treat them as citizens and people, but Zionism is frowned upon and a crime to publically espouse. Rum would encourage nations to stop Zionism as it will "cause disruption in the Middle East".

Could foreign Jews be arrested for being Zionist? Because I could see that causing some serious trouble in terms of international relations.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:31 pm

Ruridova wrote:Now I'm not huge on political treatises, but a fictional story endorsing the same concept, written by a different German Jew? That might pop up in the IC before too long...

I'm also going to slightly edit the concept: the Jew in question will not be German, but Lithuanian.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:05 pm

The Krymchak Jews in the Crimea will thrive in the Crimea. They initially paid cizye or jizya, but after the 1850s, they ceased doing so as they became loyal to the Crimea. In the 1890s, they only had a few thousand, and the Crimeans paid them to have more and more children, who were encouraged to settle the north. Thus, cities like Melekler Sehri would have substantial Jewish populations, and many moved north from the coasts.

At the same time, they also began assimilating into the Crimean culture (i.e. Crimean Tatar), but Jewish immigration (Zionists) may probably also influence the development of the Krymchak culture. In the 1950s, they would probably become more reformist (as in Reformist Jews) and become more and more liberal, while at the same time virtually becoming Crimean in identity (as in adopting Tatar customs and food, but they also gave the Tatars food and terms).

Basically, the only difference between Tatars and many Krymchak are that the Krymchaks use Hebrew, Aramaic, and Yiddish loanwords, and either use the Arap script like other Crimeans or use Hebrew. Many oppose Zionism, except some old people who migrated to the Crimea.
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VIEW ZIONISM AS LEGITIMATE Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Caucasian, some Krymchak
VIEW ZIONISM AS EXTREMIST Mizrahi, Donme, Romaniote, some Krymchak
UNSURE VIEW ON ZIONISM Italkim, some Krymchak
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:16 pm

Just throwing this out there, Golda Meir was actually born in Kyiv, and only moved to Israel because she was a Zionist. So if she's not a Zionist, it would make more sense for her to be a prominent Soviet communist, not a Rumite Jew.
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Postby Bojikami » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:06 pm

Ruridova wrote:Just throwing this out there, Golda Meir was actually born in Kyiv, and only moved to Israel because she was a Zionist. So if she's not a Zionist, it would make more sense for her to be a prominent Soviet communist, not a Rumite Jew.

Aw yiss.

Also, in regards to the Jews, the Italkim Jews would be persecuted under Mussolini and would likely be Zionist.

Krymchak Jews, however are not in Ukraine. This dates back to the days of Ruthenia where Oleksandr, due to pressure from the Jews in his military command, declared them all honorary Ruthenian Slavs and therefore had a comfortable position in Ruthenia and the Soviet Union.
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Postby Ruridova » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:02 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Ruridova wrote:Just throwing this out there, Golda Meir was actually born in Kyiv, and only moved to Israel because she was a Zionist. So if she's not a Zionist, it would make more sense for her to be a prominent Soviet communist, not a Rumite Jew.

Aw yiss.

Also, in regards to the Jews, the Italkim Jews would be persecuted under Mussolini and would likely be Zionist.

Ok.
Krymchak Jews, however are not in Ukraine. This dates back to the days of Ruthenia where Oleksandr, due to pressure from the Jews in his military command, declared them all honorary Ruthenian Slavs and therefore had a comfortable position in Ruthenia and the Soviet Union.

They would still be Jews, though. The fact that Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews have become US citizens did not turn them into Anglo-Saxon Protestants.


VIEW ZIONISM AS LEGITIMATE Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Caucasian, Italkim, most Krymchak
VIEW ZIONISM AS EXTREMIST Mizrahi, Donme, Romaniote, some Krymchak
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Major published works of note in the RP including some not yet published ICly

Georg von Licht / Dzhordzh fon Likht

1. The Righteous Cause
The year is 1951, and the world is divided between eight superstates: Freistaatland, Südamerika, Nordseeallianz, Mitteleuropa, Großarabien, Zentralasien, and Ostasien. These nations are in a state of constant war that has left the world ruined. Karl Eichemann, the protagonist, is sent to end the war and bring peace; however, catastrophe kills Eichemann and restarts the feud.

2. Neither Victory, Nor Peace
The empires of Jiaozhande and Hakuchi, led by the shortsighted monarchs Kangsong and Tennohito, turn a war of words and baseless accusations into a devastating continent-wide conflict that leads to millions of deaths, mass rebellions, and ultimately their own deposition. The novel was published as a criticism of escalating tensions between China and Japan.

3. Blessed are the Persecuted
Jewish German Yaakov Fiegenbaum and his family live in a defeated 1930s Germany that turns to anti-Semitic politicians Ludwig Ernst and Johannes Heisenberg, who initiate ever-increasing persecutions against German Jews. The book chronicles Yaakov and his family trying to live through the persecution. At first forced into ghetto, then into hiding, and then into a death camp, only Yaakov and his son Yitzhak survive(and Yitzhak loses his legs along the way). After the anti-Semites are deposed, the two try to rebuild their lives.

4. With Liberty and Justice For All
Black Confederate Miriam Robinson unintentionally becomes the leader of the equal rights movement in the CSA, but she gladly accepts the role, leading strikes and marches that force the Confederate government to grant equal rights to all citizens and end segregation. Surviving assassination attempts, she is elected President by a sweeping majority in 1964, cementing the progress made by the civil rights movement.

5. The Miserable Ones
Jan Janowski, a redeemed criminal who has broken his parole, must try to avoid the relentless Eugen Marschall, who seeks to put him back in chains. Meanwhile, Jan's adopted daughter Andzelika falls in love with Polish revolutionary Maksymilian Mysliwski- who is torn between his love Andzelika and his fellow revolutionaries Ostromir Wieczeslawski and Szymon Topolski. The revolutionaries rebel, but most die in the German response- though Janowski manages to save Maksymilian and bring him to Andzelika. Marschall, realizing that Janowski is indeed redeemed, kills himself; Janowski also dies shortly thereafter.

6. Vox Populi
Valentin Pushilin, head of one of the subdivisions of the Union of Federative Unified Republics, a Russia without a Tsar, works for the country's repressive dictatorship, established 80 years earlier in the 1910s. When a dispute about reform in the country leads to a hardliner coup against the country's reformist leader, Pushilin heeds the voice of the people and demands that the UFUR be done away with and replaced with numerous democratic states- a vision that ultimately comes true.




Viktor Eberharter
(see "the Miserable Ones" under Georg von Licht)




Josef Ibakov
1. Blood of the Crescent
In a semi-propagandized account of the siege of Sevastopol/Aqyar, Ibakov accuses the Crimean army of committing various war crimes during its fight for independence from Ukraine.




Michael Matsudaira

1. The Fading Sun
In an alternate timeline, the Japanese shogunate defeats Go-Daigo and initiates a period of isolation that leaves Japan technologically backward and abused by foreign powers. Despite a push to modernize and gain the respect of world leaders, Japan is largely destroyed after several brash and dictatorial leaders wreck the country, leaving it devastated. The story ends with the few remaining Japanese chafing under Chinese rule.

2. Unit 731
Written as an unofficial partner to Blessed are the Persecuted, this book follows the bloody trail left by a Japanese army unit committing mass crimes against Chinese civilians and Americaner POWs in a dystopic war-torn world.




Gavriil fon Likht

1. The Great World Wars
Fon Likht, taking a page from his father's books, writes about a hellish world dominated by poor economics, warring nations, technology used for genocide, and brutal dictators. The book follows the world through two Great Wars that leave much of the world devastated and millions dead, and foments decades of international division and distrust. In the end, every one of the book's six main characters dies, whether they 'won' the wars or 'lost' them.

2. The Life and Times of Edward Harper
Canadian intelligence worker Edward Harper realizes that the Royal Intelligence Agency of Canada is breaking Canadian privacy laws with its spying program, and decided to steal classified documents and leak them to the press. Fleeing to the Confederacy, he begins releasing the documents, which reveal Canadian spying at home and abroad. The news spreads like wildfire, and he is variously declared a hero and a traitor as a global debate on surveillance begins. The book ends with the RIA's head telling the press that Harper has only released a tiny fraction of the data he took.

3. A Time of Destruction (original)
Nongbu Jeonghwan, a craftsman belonging to the Yeojeon ethnic minority, begins to lead a fight against the oppressive rule of the Henkyoese Emperor Go-Yowai and his bloodthirsty general Satsujin Hijoshikina. The ability of the Henkyoese to respond is hampered by Henkyo's war on the Free States of Terranova; however, Satsujin's army are still able to exterminate and enslave hundreds of Yeojeon. Seeking peace, Nongbu(now Chancellor of Yeojeonia) meets Satsujin to discuss peace; Satsujin kills him. Nongbu is ultimately avenged by his rival and Deputy Chancellor, Jyeonlyeong Dongmaeng: Jyeonlyeong strangles Satsujin with the chains that Satsujin used to keep Yeojeon slaves, and forces Henkyo to let Yeojeonia become independent.




Muhammad Abbas

1. The Crescent and the Star
In a book postulated to be Rumite propaganda by some, Abbas describes a Middle East without Rum as a Middle East in total chaos. Islamic radicalism, ideological coups, ethnic feuds, and Zionism all lead to the deaths of thousands and permanent instability, which is taken advantage of by various foreign powers seeking to exploit the region.




Chodren Dawa

1. The Effects of Leftism
The book begins in a totally uniform world- however, we soon learn that the hero, known only as Equality, has a hard time fitting in. He falls in love with a woman named Liberty, and after the government tries too hard to impress conformity on them, they form a rival society that brings back individuality to the world.

2. Obscurity
Architect Wei Nianqing and his colleague Se Jidu face difficulties as they lose out to architects better at sweet-talking clients. However, people eventually turn to Wei and Se's more inspired and modern architecture. Se turns on Wei and attempts to destroy his empire and kill him; ultimately, though, Wei comes out on top.

3. The East is Red
In Chodren Dawa's first play, she describes an alternate future where China is not as fortunate as it was. In several wars over opium and rebellions over everything the emperor does, China grows steadily weaker and more divided before having the monarchy overthrown and a period of total warlordism break out. As the period of warlordism ends, a period of ideological warfare breaks out(supported by the Japanese, who invade and establish various puppets). Ultimately, China winds up under a group of dictatorial rulers who must be defeated by the government-in-exile of China's brief period of democracy. After the return of peace and liberty to the country, it is unified, strong, and happy at last.

4. The Asian Manifesto
Chodren Dawa here outlines her plans for the creation of a libertarian Asian Union, dominated by China. Though initially weak, this Asian Union would grow stronger and stronger as time passed, eventually uniting Asia under one banner once and for all.




Jean-Louis Bouclier

1. The Impure Blood
The first play based on the Righteous Cause, Bouclier's work is a pro-Guyanese and anti-Brazilian propaganda piece in which Eichemann dies in Südamerika and is replaced by violent revolutionary Maxmilien Bouclier, who united the world by force and exterminated his opposition to bring about utopia.




Karl Jung / Rong Kai-er

1. The Autumn of Empires (book)
The fictional realm of Ojczyzna, once a great empire, has been divided between the nations of Westens, Südens, and Dong, which has left the people demoralized and abused. Farmer Alojzy Swidzinski takes up the cause of his country and leads a campaign to liberate his homeland from foreign rule. Alojzy is initially successful, and named King of Ojczyzna as reward, but is murdered and replaced by a turncoat who returns foreign rule to the country.




Li Xiagong

1. The Final Solution
In the most hated book ever written, Li Xiagong calls for the total extermination of 'Japonic races', declaring them to be inferior to 'Sinic' races. He also calls for the Chinese Empire to grow significantly, to the point where it spans the entire Orient.




Tamerlan Jaharnaev

1. The Autumn of Empires (play)
Based on Karl Jung's book, this play adaptation replaced Dong with Vostok(an anti-Russian move, which in unsurprising given that Jaharnaev was Caucasian). The ending is also modified: Alojzy's brother Wladyslaw finally finishes his brother's dream and guarantees Ojczyzna's independence.




Ardghal O'Berach

1. Fruit of Freedom
The author outlines his idea of a united, independent Ireland, free from British rule and run by a secular High King and Catholic clergy. O'Berach also outlined plans to promote Irish culture and to 'cleanse' the island of English influence. However, he warns, the book is for Ireland only, and is not for foreign use.

2. Ireland and the World
Furious at global support for Britain, O'Berach returns to criticize the world standing by as the British exploited Ireland. He also proposed that an independent Ireland should colonize Africa or the Caribbean. He also advocates ethnic nationalism globally.




Mao Peng-hui

1. Entrance to Heaven
A Chinese family moves to the imperial colony in Chinese East Africa to seek a better life for themselves and to 'civilize the continent'. When stranded, a group of kind but backward Africans and heroic Chinese soldiers help them to Tianshang. The book was released to promote colonization of Africa by East and West alike, portraying Africans as savages in need of civilizing by foreign powers.




Phillip Engel

1. The Fates of Men
The play version of the Righteous Cause endorsed by Georg von Licht himself. The Fates of Men stole bits and pieces of the other plays about the story to create something of an anthology, containing something from every one.




Antero de Quental

1. Slaughter of the Moors
Ibrahim Muladi, a wealthy Moor, rebels against the oppressive Prince João of Algarve. Establishing a small Moorish emirate, they briefly experience independence before the Portuguese reclaim the land and slaughter the Moors en masse, leaving Algarve a barren wasteland.

2. Twilight of the Peace
After criticizing the Portuguese monarchy and being driven out of the country, João Llano travels the world searching for a place to start anew. Llano's unfortunate association with the dimwitted Antero results in them being driven from Guyane, Italy, and the Confederacy. Ultimately, Llano drowns Antero and returns to Portugal- where he is pardoned on the morning of his execution.




Haruna Hachisuka

1. The Eternal Soldiers
A six-part series focusing on the rebellion led by Riku Sukaiuoka against the Dark Shogun, once Riku's father Anakin. Riku briefly falls in love with her long-lost sister Kiki, but the relationship doesn't last.

2. The Story of Haruka Kamakura
An adapted form of the Chinese fable of Hua Mulan, this story follows Haruka Kamakura in her adventure to find honor and justice through the Imperial Restoration of 1331 and the later Kyoto Rebellion of 1340.

3. Freedom in the Stars
In the year 2009, British bureaucrat William MacAlister must face the Confederate States of America, led by President Lewis Wright and General Robert Jenkins, to reveal the fact that it has revived its slaving practices, banned by the CSA in 1891, and taken them into space. The Confederacy, in the process, makes several other incriminating errors. Ultimately, the rest of the world forcefully balkanizes the Confederacy, dividing it into several small puppet states.




August Breckenridge

1. The Battlestar
After the United States of Kobol are destroyed by the evil robotic Cylons, who view humanity as inherently cruel and evil, the surving humans- led by President Rosalyn Laurent and Captain Frederick Adamson- must face against the Cylons and their allies, largely represented by Cylon Model Six and Dr. Hadrian Callis, as they attempt to find the long-lost thirteenth state of Earth.

2. A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich Shukhov
Based off of Gavriil fon Likht's time in a Russian gulag, this book follows Ivan Shukhov as he attempts to survive a ten-year jail term for a crime he did not commit. The book describes his relations with the other members of his work gang: Tyurin, the foreman; Yushenko, his assistant; Klevshin, a former soldier; Markovich, an intellectual; Kilgas, a Lithuanian separatist; Golpchik, a boy accused of treason; Fetyukov, a prisoner for decades; Buynovsky, a former naval officer; and Leshenov, a Baptist. Ultimately, the book says that it was only their unity and solidarity that allowed them to keep living.




Jeffery Date

1. Seigi no Gen'in
Japanese operatic adaptation of The Righteous Cause.

2. Dai Nippon Teikoku
Sengoku Games play for 1837, it illustrates numerous points in Japanese history, and highlights the mantle of Meiji's glorious reign.

3. The Sunrise of Nations
A play to illustrate the unity of nations, involves numerous national anthems and representation of world leaders as of 1837.

4. Aux Armes Citroyens
An opera about the French Revolution and the cause of the Jacobins and later, Napoleon Bonaparte.




Hirosuke Satsuma

1. Kamikōgō
First publication that started the Sanguinist Movement in Japan. Called Meiji the "daughter of the Lord" and declared her a divine person. Sparked massive religious movement around Meiji in Japan after her death in 1837.




Oleksandr Kostiuk

1. Moya Borotʹba
"My Struggle", a book that highlights the plans of Kostiuk against the Crimeans, whom he blames for most of the world's problems. Considered Nazi propaganda and banned in most nations who forbid Nazi imagery and symbolism.




Grigory Petrovsky

1. Petrovsky's Testament
Grigory Petrovsky, sensing his coming death wrote his ideas on how the Soviet government should change into a more democratic state. It criticized current Soviet leaders and heavily suggested removing Pavlenko from power, as Petrovsky viewed Pavlenko's reforms to both the soviet system and to the government as totalitarian. Petrovsky died a few years later and the book was both published and distributed throughout the USSR by Ivan Kasparov.




Leon Trotsky

1. Animal Farm
Written as an attack on the brand of communism employed by the USSR, Lev Bronshtein(under the pen name Leon Trotsky) writes the story of the Azovsk Farm. The overworked and mistreated animals overthrow their human masters, seeking to create a utopia under the principles of their ideology, Animalism. However, the farm's pigs quickly become ruling class, soon usurping the role that humans once held. They ultimate replace the Seven Commandments of Animalism with a single one that upholds their ultimate authority: all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.




Ayn Rand

1. Atlas Shrugged
Under the pen name of Ayn Rand, Alisa Rosenbaum describes a nation similar to the Confederacy and Canada in an unspecified time. She follows the entrepreneur Dagny Taggart, who must attempt to keep the Taggart Transcontinental rail lines open in spite of collectivization and statism- and must try to mitigate the poor decisions of her brother James. Dagny becomes an associate of steel magnate Hank Rearden, and together the two notice that many other magnates are destroying their empires and vanishing. Searching for the inventor of a highly advanced motor, they find John Galt, who invented it- and is convincing billionaires to vanish as a form of strike against statism. Dagny refuses and returns to her home- but Galt follows her, seizes a radio station, and delivers a speech to explain the ideology of objectivism. The government collapses and Galt is picked to be the new leader of the country.




Chaimas Galvanauskas

1. The Hope
Yitzhak Katsav, a Sephardi Jew living in al-Mayiquh, becomes a Zionist after deciding to get more in touch with his Jewish heritage. He becomes the leader of a Zionist group, which quickly becomes the global Zionist World Congress, boasting seven million members across the world. He goes before the League of Nations, and gives a lengthy, impassioned speech, pleading for the League to mandate the creation of a State of Israel in Rumite land, telling them that the only way for the long-persecuted Jews to ever know liberty and peace is to be returned to their homeland. The League, with the exception of the Rumites, agrees, and Katsav becomes leader of the new country. Within two years of Israel's creation, however, Rum invades, seeking to exterminate the Jews and reincorporate the territory. The international response is swift and harsh, and soon, the Rumites have been driven out of Israel and are fighting for their lives. Rum is divided up between its various ethnic groups, with the various new nations agreeing to work together in peace and cooperation to bring about a future where all people can life happy lives.




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1. AD 1951
The British play version of the Righteous Cause, based off of the Impure Blood, but lacking any joy to its ending. The main notable difference is the addition of weapons known as 'sun bombs'(nuclear weaponry).

2. The Deserter
Written in Italy in the early 1800s, this novel follows Adalfredo Capaccio, an Italian soldier during a war against the Ottomans. Deserting in Bosnia, he flees towards Italy to see his home and family- but is executed outside of Zagreb after being found and captured.

3. A Time of Destruction (Crimean edit)
A version of fon Likht's original novel, intensely edited to serve as anti-Caucasian literature. The Yeojeon are replaced by Azeris, and the Henkyoese are replaced with Georgians, in reference to the Holocaust that had occurred within Caucasia's borders.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:19 pm

Ruridova wrote:Would it ban the book at any point?


Probably not. They'd allow it's circulation, but they would crack down on Zionist sentiment.

I just read what the book entails, yeah, it's going to be banned.

Could foreign Jews be arrested for being Zionist? Because I could see that causing some serious trouble in terms of international relations.


Only if they do something illegal, like advocate the overthrow of the Empire, commit larsony, murder, assault, etc. etc -- Public support of Zionism is considered sedition and most foreigners who are arrested for are usually deported back to their home countries. Though for a period after the Zionist Revolt, the Rumite Empire put a suspension of Jewish immigration or pilgrimage into Palestine until the early 1960s, only repealed at Golda Meir's insistence as Grand Vizier.

The Jews of Rum don't like Zionism because they see it as other cultural varieties of Jews trying to impose their will on land that isn't theirs. They dislike Zionists because they feel that Zionists want to destroy their prosperity, as Jews have almost no restrictions imposed upon them. The Rumite Jews who had lived there for generations were extremely angry after the Zionist Revolt and made up about 80% of the people who committed violence against Jews in the aftermath. Rumite Jews were angry at foreign Jews for coming in and wrecking up their place in society, as now the public was more suspicious of Jews for Zionist sympathies.

So you'd see Jewish mobs robbing and attacking Zionists.

From 1964 to the early 1990s, Rum had a strict policy of immigration, everybody was thoroughly checked, as they didn't want a Zionist Revolt nor did they want another 1964 Mecca.
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Postby Unicario » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:39 pm

Golda Meir will be one of Rum's most ardent anti-Zionists, same with Benjamin Netanyahu.
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