OOC 1870 RP (Open)

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Name of Nation: (What it was called in 1870)Regno d'Italia
Population: (the population of your nation)
Population [Empire Total]: (if your nation is an empire, put the population of the entire empire, including your nation, here)25.9 million
Standing Military and Reserves: (the total number of soldiers in standing or reserve units)
Maximum Conscription [Native Only]: (take your nation's population, divide it by 100, and multiply that number by 8. Put your result here)
Maximum Conscription [Empire Total]: (if your nation is an empire, take the total empire population, divide it by 100, and multiply that number by 8. Put your result here.)
Country and Territories: (a link to a map of your nation in 1870)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Kingdom_of_Italy_1870_map.svg
Head of State: (your nation's sovereign in 1870)Vittorio Emmanuele II
Head of Government: (whoever was in charge of your nation's parliament/congress in 1870)Giovanni Lanza, Historical RIght
Government Style: (I don't need to explain this, do I?)Constitutional Unitary Parliamentary Monarchy
Primary Weapon: (the official service rifle of your nation in 1870. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. If your nation adopted a new rifle in 1871, please put that here as well)
Secondary Weapon: (the official service pistol of your nation in 1870. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. If your nation adopted a new pistol in 1871, please put that here as well)
Standard Machine-Gun: (if your nation had a machine-gun in 1870 or starting in 1871, put it here. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. Also mention if it was lightly used or heavily used, and be honest)
Standard Artillery: (the most common field gun of your nation in 1870. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. If your nation adopted a new field gun in 1871, please put that here as well)
Main Naval Vessels: (the creme of your nation's fleet, either ironclads or steam frigates. Place the number of those ships of your nation in 1870 here, followed by the number of those ships in 1871)
Had to check something and its late so ill finish tomorrow

[The Norrland]

When are we gonna do the Hanover conference?

Anyway, I thought it was spelt with two 'n's.

[The Norrland]

Name of Nation: (What it was called in 1870)Regno d'Italia
Population: (the population of your nation)
Population [Empire Total]: (if your nation is an empire, put the population of the entire empire, including your nation, here)25.9 million
Standing Military and Reserves: (the total number of soldiers in standing or reserve units)
Maximum Conscription [Native Only]: (take your nation's population, divide it by 100, and multiply that number by 8. Put your result here)
Maximum Conscription [Empire Total]: (if your nation is an empire, take the total empire population, divide it by 100, and multiply that number by 8. Put your result here.)
Country and Territories: (a link to a map of your nation in 1870)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Kingdom_of_Italy_1870_map.svg
Head of State: (your nation's sovereign in 1870)Vittorio Emmanuele II
Head of Government: (whoever was in charge of your nation's parliament/congress in 1870)Giovanni Lanza, Historical RIght
Government Style: (I don't need to explain this, do I?)Constitutional Unitary Parliamentary Monarchy
Primary Weapon: (the official service rifle of your nation in 1870. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. If your nation adopted a new rifle in 1871, please put that here as well)
Secondary Weapon: (the official service pistol of your nation in 1870. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. If your nation adopted a new pistol in 1871, please put that here as well)
Standard Machine-Gun: (if your nation had a machine-gun in 1870 or starting in 1871, put it here. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. Also mention if it was lightly used or heavily used, and be honest)
Standard Artillery: (the most common field gun of your nation in 1870. Link a picture or article of the weapon as well. If your nation adopted a new field gun in 1871, please put that here as well)
Main Naval Vessels: (the creme of your nation's fleet, either ironclads or steam frigates. Place the number of those ships of your nation in 1870 here, followed by the number of those ships in 1871)
Had to check something and its late so ill finish tomorrow

BTW, Italy does not own Venice. Austria took Venice and Venitia in the Napoleonic Era, and conceded it to Italy after their defeat in WW1. I'm also pretty sure that you don't own Sardinia as well.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

BTW, Italy does not own Venice. Austria took Venice and Venitia in the Napoleonic Era, and conceded it to Italy after their defeat in WW1. I'm also pretty sure that you don't own Sardinia as well.

.....Venice was taken back from the Austrian Oppressors in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Italian_War_of_Independence in the 1860's

[Of the Quendi]

I should point out that, though you're correct in all, the Count of Chambord (who the legitimists wanted on the throne), before his death, appointed Phillipe d'Orleans as his heir. Unfortunately for the royalists, who could unite behind the successor, this came just after they lost their majority. It does not mean, however, that a foreign power can assume that they would be unable to co-operate in order to establish a monarchy that would seek revenge against not only those who deposed it but those who sacked their cities...

Its a fair point that it cannot IC'ly be supposed by the rest of us that the monarchists of France can't cooperate to set up a revanchist government. But the exact same thing can be said of the Communards. Blanqui's goons murdered Trouchou and every reactionary regime in the world should assume that a Communard victory would mean the exportation of the revolution to the rest of the world.

I have absolutely no demands. I'm offering to give in to some demands. Kryskov ordered the reinstatement of the French Third Republic and disbanding of Socialism. Not too keen on getting my nation annexed and the leadership politically supressed, so I offered to negotiate some more moderate terms.

He just asked me not to put up too much of a fight

The Russian position is essentially that there can be no negotiations of any kind as long as the Paris Commune exists. While Russia doesn't want to weaken France any further there can be no compromise about the continued existence of a socialist terror regime. Also even if the Communards has done better in this RP than in RL my political leadership doesn't consider it plausible that they can prevail against the conservative elements of the French military and countryside and therefore considers their existence a weakening of whatever regime will replace the Second Empire why they have to be crushed that France can become strong.

When are we gonna do the Hanover conference?

Anyway, I thought it was spelt with two 'n's.

Soon I hope. In the mean time why do you not attend the Cairo Conference?

.....Venice was taken back from the Austrian Oppressors in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Italian_War_of_Independence in the 1860's

Indeed. But your map is still wrong, the last vestiges of the Papal States has not yet been seized.

[Glasgia]

I should point out that, though you're correct in all, the Count of Chambord (who the legitimists wanted on the throne), before his death, appointed Phillipe d'Orleans as his heir. Unfortunately for the royalists, who could unite behind the successor, this came just after they lost their majority. It does not mean, however, that a foreign power can assume that they would be unable to co-operate in order to establish a monarchy that would seek revenge against not only those who deposed it but those who sacked their cities...

Its a fair point that it cannot IC'ly be supposed by the rest of us that the monarchists of France can't cooperate to set up a revanchist government. But the exact same thing can be said of the Communards. Blanqui's goons murdered Trouchou and every reactionary regime in the world should assume that a Communard victory would mean the exportation of the revolution to the rest of the world.

I have absolutely no demands. I'm offering to give in to some demands. Kryskov ordered the reinstatement of the French Third Republic and disbanding of Socialism. Not too keen on getting my nation annexed and the leadership politically supressed, so I offered to negotiate some more moderate terms.

He just asked me not to put up too much of a fight

The Russian position is essentially that there can be no negotiations of any kind as long as the Paris Commune exists. While Russia doesn't want to weaken France any further there can be no compromise about the continued existence of a socialist terror regime. Also even if the Communards has done better in this RP than in RL my political leadership doesn't consider it plausible that they can prevail against the conservative elements of the French military and countryside and therefore considers their existence a weakening of whatever regime will replace the Second Empire why they have to be crushed that France can become strong.

Hmmmm.... Obviously, I'm expecting much distrust from the traditional powers so none of this is a surprise. However, I hope I've made clear that France has no colonial ambitions nor is it a terror regime destined to fail- We are stronger than the Provisional Government and have only carried out reprisals against the Capitalist insurgents.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

I already have mining rights in Albania, Italy, and France. Another country wouldn't hurt.

Also, how did Egypt become so powerful, IRL it is soon to be taken over by the British, if that had not happened. Egypt had been weak since the Oriental Crisia in 1830's-40's.

Nonsense! Muhammad Ali Pasha and his son Ibrahim Pasha had been owning Ottoman Armies (even the ones under Moltke — if not in the first Ottoman-Egyptian war that is) all the way to Konya, and from there on the path to Istanbul was clear. The status quo was breached, and Western economic interests were in danger.

The Great Powers weren't happy.

A Russo-Turkish alliance and a shelling of Beirut and Acre by the Brits proved to Egypt that while it may be able to pwn Turkey, it would be folly to tango with the West. Besides, there were some very limiting treaties (such as the army being no bigger than a certain number). So they withdrew, never to fight the Ottomans again. Now they had their attentions turned to westernising and industrialising the nation, and work on their cotton monopoly.

When King Cotton was no longer exported by America, British and French cotton demand turned to Egypt (egypt can into relevance!) and gave it the economic boom it needed (which is why Isma'il Pasha built all those railways and infrastructure, etc). Then the Civil War ended and they all went back to America, leaving Egypt with this god awful bottle, a model of heartache and grief.

But in this RP, I have managed not only to secure the continual importing of cotton and sugarcane (and ivory to boot!), I have solved Egypts debt problems (one super cheque coming up, Kryskov), French dominance of Egypt's economy and earned exorbitant amounts of money on top of French experts to modernise my country in one stroke, just by allying with Austria and getting to Versailles first.

So you see, Egypt could have been a regional power if all the other dudes remained inactive.

Kingdom of Italy

Population (Italy): 25,000,000
Standing Military and Reserves: +/- 50,000
Maximum Conscription (Native): +/- 2,000,000
Country and Territories: http://wps.pearsoncustom.com/wps/media/ ... p21_15.jpg
Head of State: Father of the Homeland Victor Emmanuel II
Head of Government: Prime Minister Giovanni Lanza
Government Style: Constitutional Monarchy
Primary Weapon: Repetiergewehr Vetterli, Modell 1869, 69/71 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetterli_r ... 2C_69.2F71 (Limited use: older variants were more common)
Secondary Weapon: Unknown
Standard Artillery: Unknown
Main Naval Vessels: 13 Ironclads-(1870) 14 Ironclads-(1871) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ir ... s_of_Italy
Additional Reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Ital ... dependence

Eh, app for you Mr. ICD.

Accepted for now, though I need an RP Example, and though I think I've seen your RPing skills before (hence my trust), I have a horrible memory and the last time I let such a thing happen it turned out to be Ottozum/Miracum-Izmir.

[Of the Quendi]

Hmmmm.... Obviously, I'm expecting much distrust from the traditional powers so none of this is a surprise. However, I hope I've made clear that France has no colonial ambitions nor is it a terror regime destined to fail- We are stronger than the Provisional Government and have only carried out reprisals against the Capitalist insurgents.

I think it should be fairly obvious that the Commune won't be a in any way strong regime. It lacks popular support, effective organization and military forces. That the Government of National Defense isn't strong either doesn't make it more likely that the Commune can establish a strong united French nation.

As for the Commune's lack of colonial ambitions that only makes it even more abominable in Russia's eyes as I want a strong French colonial empire to counter the rise of Austria on the colonial scene.

[The Norrland]

When are we gonna do the Hanover conference?

Anyway, I thought it was spelt with two 'n's.

Soon I hope. In the mean time why do you not attend the Cairo Conference?

Is that the one accompanying the coronation of the Sultan? Because King Charles is going to that.

.....Venice was taken back from the Austrian Oppressors in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Italian_War_of_Independence in the 1860's

I was not aware of this. But, I'm pretty sure they got it back after WW1.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

When are we gonna do the Hanover conference?

Anyway, I thought it was spelt with two 'n's.

You are needed at the Conference of Cairo, where you may defend your colony in Namibia(?) or trade it for something better.

Hmmmm.... Obviously, I'm expecting much distrust from the traditional powers so none of this is a surprise. However, I hope I've made clear that France has no colonial ambitions nor is it a terror regime destined to fail- We are stronger than the Provisional Government and have only carried out reprisals against the Capitalist insurgents.

I think it should be fairly obvious that the Commune won't be a in any way strong regime. It lacks popular support, effective organization and military forces. That the Government of National Defense isn't strong either doesn't make it more likely that the Commune can establish a strong united French nation.

As for the Commune's lack of colonial ambitions that only makes it even more abominable in Russia's eyes as I want a strong French colonial empire to counter the rise of Austria on the colonial scene.

y not egypt

[The Norrland]

When are we gonna do the Hanover conference?

Anyway, I thought it was spelt with two 'n's.

You are needed at the Conference of Cairo, where you may defend your colony in Namibia(?) or trade it for something better.

I was unaware that this was going on on another thread. I need to keep up with the OOC. Is there a thread for the Hanover Conference?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

You are needed at the Conference of Cairo, where you may defend your colony in Namibia(?) or trade it for something better.

I was unaware that this was going on on another thread. I need to keep up with the OOC. Is there a thread for the Hanover Conference?

Not yet.

EDIT: My fault, I suppose. Should've TGed everyone or something.

[Glasgia]

Hmmmm.... Obviously, I'm expecting much distrust from the traditional powers so none of this is a surprise. However, I hope I've made clear that France has no colonial ambitions nor is it a terror regime destined to fail- We are stronger than the Provisional Government and have only carried out reprisals against the Capitalist insurgents.

I think it should be fairly obvious that the Commune won't be a in any way strong regime. It lacks popular support, effective organization and military forces. That the Government of National Defense isn't strong either doesn't make it more likely that the Commune can establish a strong united French nation.

As for the Commune's lack of colonial ambitions that only makes it even more abominable in Russia's eyes as I want a strong French colonial empire to counter the rise of Austria on the colonial scene.

Lack of popular support? The Socialist left underwent massive reprisals and suppression after the fall of the Commune, but as soon as the suppression was lifted the left wing held a majority of the votes in Presidential elections for the next twenty years (In 1875, the Legitimists mysteriously managed to win 99.74% of the vote). The Commune also has a decently organised military force - Much of the National Guard and many professional units defected to its cause and it's had months to organise its troops into something vaguely representing a military.

[Aurinsula]

It said in Traveller's Cafe that you needed someone to come in as China. Is that still true?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

It said in Traveller's Cafe that you needed someone to come in as China. Is that still true?

App away, my good sirrah!

[Aurinsula]

It said in Traveller's Cafe that you needed someone to come in as China. Is that still true?

App away, my good sirrah!

I figure the app on the front page is already pretty solid. I notice on the map, though, that Japan has cleaned out the Northeast. What's the story with that?

And, in general, could I get a quick explanation of what's happened to China thus far in the game?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

App away, my good sirrah!

I figure the app on the front page is already pretty solid. I notice on the map, though, that Japan has cleaned out the Northeast. What's the story with that?

And, in general, could I get a quick explanation of what's happened to China thus far in the game?

Indeed, Japan has taken Manchuria. Russia has taken Mongolia and has orchestrated a successful uprising of Xinjiang under the native Turks. French colonies in Guangzhou Bay have been replaced with those of Egypt, which has offered to sell you modern weapons and build factories in return for the importing of coal. In Korea is also Spain, which might have imperial designs on China if it ever had an active player.

If you begin the first step of industrialisation now, you might turn the Boxer Rebellion into a victory.

[Aurinsula]

Well, then, I'll take over as the Qings. They already have an app on the front page, so I'll just stick with it.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Well, then, I'll take over as the Qings. They already have an app on the front page, so I'll just stick with it.

Accept—

[Aurinsula]

Well, then, I'll take over as the Qings. They already have an app on the front page, so I'll just stick with it.

Accept—

I don't get it.

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Accept—

I don't get it.

— Ted.

I take it you're not a HIMYM fan?

[Of the Quendi]

Lack of popular support? The Socialist left underwent massive reprisals and suppression after the fall of the Commune, but as soon as the suppression was lifted the left wing held a majority of the votes in Presidential elections for the next twenty years (In 1875, the Legitimists mysteriously managed to win 99.74% of the vote). The Commune also has a decently organised military force - Much of the National Guard and many professional units defected to its cause and it's had months to organise its troops into something vaguely representing a military.

What presidential elections? The presidents of the Third Republic wasn't elected by the people they where elected by the Deputies and Senators and those left leaning majorities that these bodies held from 76 and on was not made up of far left socialists but of a variety of people some of which was closer to modern day liberalism than actual socialism. As for the Commune itself it never became more than a Paris based entity with a few frail branches in other cities of the country, it never controlled the countryside and apart from the national guard most of the army fought faithfully against the Commune.

Well, then, I'll take over as the Qings. They already have an app on the front page, so I'll just stick with it.

It will have to be updated to reflect changes to the borders of China. China has probably lost 1.5 million+ inhabitants to Russia and Kashgaria (for Mongolia and Xinjiang) and maybe five million people to Japan (for Manchuria).

[Shimon-Zhivago]

For those who are signed up, my "Day of the Diktat" RP's IC is now open.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=278134

[Glasgia]

Lack of popular support? The Socialist left underwent massive reprisals and suppression after the fall of the Commune, but as soon as the suppression was lifted the left wing held a majority of the votes in Presidential elections for the next twenty years (In 1875, the Legitimists mysteriously managed to win 99.74% of the vote). The Commune also has a decently organised military force - Much of the National Guard and many professional units defected to its cause and it's had months to organise its troops into something vaguely representing a military.

What presidential elections? The presidents of the Third Republic wasn't elected by the people they where elected by the Deputies and Senators and those left leaning majorities that these bodies held from 76 and on was not made up of far left socialists but of a variety of people some of which was closer to modern day liberalism than actual socialism. As for the Commune itself it never became more than a Paris based entity with a few frail branches in other cities of the country, it never controlled the countryside and apart from the national guard most of the army fought faithfully against the Commune.

The legislative elected the Presidents and for twenty years they were all Left Republicans, showing that the people had elected a firmly left wing - whether socially or economically - legislative. I just found the results for that before I found any other stats to back me up. Nonetheless, the right wing did not win a majority until 1919, with the time throughout which always controlled by some section of the Republican left wing. When the Socialists first begin to differentiate themselves from the rest of the Republicans, they still manage to win almost ten percent of the vote despite heavy suppression and many moderate Socialists aligning with the centre-left. In real life, I would have no doubt that the Paris Commune would have more political support than the French government itself if it escalated to civil war - And keep in mind that my little ahistorical Commune is both more powerful and more popular than the short-lived real life one.

[Imperium Nova]

Also, what is the difference between the Cairo Conference and the Hannover Conference? What is being discussed?

Secondly, by the treaty made after the Oriental Crisis, isn't Egypt de jure a part of the Ottoman Empire? Also, couldn't the British just plant some more cotton in India, I don't think they are to keen on trading with some, as they would describe it, "uncivilised Arabs" in Egypt.