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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:49 am
by The Jonathanian States
Mexican Liberation wrote:
Slavsnik wrote:I don't really think we should have Jesus here... it would be too offensive. Besides, biblical accounts say he was already ressurected and is now in heaven...


We have a Caliph here... and a large assortment of other potentially offensive characters...

I'll have to argue that a) All caliphs after Mohammed are more like popes than Jesus, IIRC. B) I'm not sure if it applies in this case, but the title also having a political connotation of power (if one follows the title one can usually see the largest/strongest Muslim realm, the last nation to use the title being the Ottomans, IIRC) means that it may have been disputed at those times by others - Muslim History isn't my home-ground, so it may have been completely undisputed.
Besides, theoretically speaking, maybe the MAHE could serve as heaven, or purgatory.

Nope, Nope, Nope. MAHE is a school in upstate New York, with no direct relation to
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Slavsnik wrote:I don't really think we should have Jesus here... it would be too offensive. Besides, biblical accounts say he was already ressurected and is now in heaven...

Right, a female Asian Jesus is offensive. And I'm working on the death thing.
heaven and/or purgatory.
Eh, I see from where using Jesus in such a rp could be seen as offensive. Not necessarily by making them female and Asian, but generally.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:58 am
by Russian people of america
Where's nuxipal, i can't make a post because I'm in a conversation with him, and he hasn't posted back. BTW if Joan meets jesus she may have a heart attack.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:07 pm
by Mexican Liberation
The Jonathanian States wrote:
Mexican Liberation wrote:
We have a Caliph here... and a large assortment of other potentially offensive characters...

I'll have to argue that a) All caliphs after Mohammed are more like popes than Jesus, IIRC. B) I'm not sure if it applies in this case, but the title also having a political connotation of power (if one follows the title one can usually see the largest/strongest Muslim realm, the last nation to use the title being the Ottomans, IIRC) means that it may have been disputed at those times by others - Muslim History isn't my home-ground, so it may have been completely undisputed.
Besides, theoretically speaking, maybe the MAHE could serve as heaven, or purgatory.

Nope, Nope, Nope. MAHE is a school in upstate New York, with no direct relation to
Lavan Tiri wrote:Right, a female Asian Jesus is offensive. And I'm working on the death thing.
heaven and/or purgatory.
Eh, I see from where using Jesus in such a rp could be seen as offensive. Not necessarily by making them female and Asian, but generally.


I didn't mean the caliph as a pope-like figure, but as a religious leader in general. Jesus, in his own way, was a religious leader as well. He may have not directly been involved in the spreading of Christianity, but many people flocked to see him, and many more were converted when they saw his alleged miracles.

What I meant to say is that we already have a wide variety of characters that could be seen as offensive to people. Atilla The Hun, anyone? No, well then what about Joan of Arc, Isabella I, Gajah Mada, Tutankhamen, Itzcoatl, Napoleon Bonaparte, Blackbeard, Abraham Lincoln, and Catherine the Great . Not to mention the characters that we had gender-bent (Cyrus the Great)

My point is, either way people might get offended. We might already be offensive as is, so I'm pretty sure adding Jesus to the mix won't make that much of a difference, if any.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:35 pm
by Slavsnik
Mexican Liberation wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:I'll have to argue that a) All caliphs after Mohammed are more like popes than Jesus, IIRC. B) I'm not sure if it applies in this case, but the title also having a political connotation of power (if one follows the title one can usually see the largest/strongest Muslim realm, the last nation to use the title being the Ottomans, IIRC) means that it may have been disputed at those times by others - Muslim History isn't my home-ground, so it may have been completely undisputed.

Nope, Nope, Nope. MAHE is a school in upstate New York, with no direct relation to heaven and/or purgatory.
Eh, I see from where using Jesus in such a rp could be seen as offensive. Not necessarily by making them female and Asian, but generally.


I didn't mean the caliph as a pope-like figure, but as a religious leader in general. Jesus, in his own way, was a religious leader as well. He may have not directly been involved in the spreading of Christianity, but many people flocked to see him, and many more were converted when they saw his alleged miracles.

What I meant to say is that we already have a wide variety of characters that could be seen as offensive to people. Atilla The Hun, anyone? No, well then what about Joan of Arc, Isabella I, Gajah Mada, Tutankhamen, Itzcoatl, Napoleon Bonaparte, Blackbeard, Abraham Lincoln, and Catherine the Great . Not to mention the characters that we had gender-bent (Cyrus the Great)

My point is, either way people might get offended. We might already be offensive as is, so I'm pretty sure adding Jesus to the mix won't make that much of a difference, if any.


Well, all those people may be... I have no Idea where they could offend... but Jesus is not just a religious figure, he is the son of God whom, unlike the Pharaohs, is believed by over a billion people to be the creator of this universe...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:40 pm
by Slavsnik
Anyways... let's just put this matter in the mighty hands of our dear OP. Now, the more pressing matter is who would help the Almighty OP in becoming a CO-OP. Gentleman, shall we put the votes up, or is Jon going to appoint one directly, if not, then my vote goes to Nuxipal.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:12 pm
by The Jonathanian States
Slavsnik wrote:Anyways... let's just put this matter in the mighty hands of our dear OP. Now, the more pressing matter is who would help the Almighty OP in becoming a CO-OP. Gentleman, shall we put the votes up, or is Jon going to appoint one directly, if not, then my vote goes to Nuxipal.

While the Co-OP will be appointed at my discretion, I do want to have a vote here on who you people think makes most sense.
Mexican Liberation wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:I'll have to argue that a) All caliphs after Mohammed are more like popes than Jesus, IIRC. B) I'm not sure if it applies in this case, but the title also having a political connotation of power (if one follows the title one can usually see the largest/strongest Muslim realm, the last nation to use the title being the Ottomans, IIRC) means that it may have been disputed at those times by others - Muslim History isn't my home-ground, so it may have been completely undisputed.

Nope, Nope, Nope. MAHE is a school in upstate New York, with no direct relation to heaven and/or purgatory.
Eh, I see from where using Jesus in such a rp could be seen as offensive. Not necessarily by making them female and Asian, but generally.


I didn't mean the caliph as a pope-like figure, but as a religious leader in general. Jesus, in his own way, was a religious leader as well. He may have not directly been involved in the spreading of Christianity, but many people flocked to see him, and many more were converted when they saw his alleged miracles.

What I meant to say is that we already have a wide variety of characters that could be seen as offensive to people. Atilla The Hun, anyone? No, well then what about Joan of Arc, Isabella I, Gajah Mada, Tutankhamen, Itzcoatl, Napoleon Bonaparte, Blackbeard, Abraham Lincoln, and Catherine the Great . Not to mention the characters that we had gender-bent (Cyrus the Great)

My point is, either way people might get offended. We might already be offensive as is, so I'm pretty sure adding Jesus to the mix won't make that much of a difference, if any.

Jesus while also having been a religious leader, is also I'd say character, for lack of a better word, of that religion. Jesus would be more comparable to Mohammed than any Caliph - at least as far as I know.

They may be somewhat offensive, but we don't have any characters that people believe in. I'll be honest and say I even doubt there would be people actually offended by any of those characters, though even if I am wrong, the aforementioned still applies.

People might get offended either way. But should we not limit things that turn it from a small chance to a larger one. Based on above, I'm pretty sure that it would be a difference.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:16 pm
by Jaslandia
The Jonathanian States wrote:
Slavsnik wrote:Anyways... let's just put this matter in the mighty hands of our dear OP. Now, the more pressing matter is who would help the Almighty OP in becoming a CO-OP. Gentleman, shall we put the votes up, or is Jon going to appoint one directly, if not, then my vote goes to Nuxipal.

While the Co-OP will be appointed at my discretion, I do want to have a vote here on who you people think makes most sense.

If we're voting for Co-OP, I cast my vote for Slavsnik.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:25 am
by Mexican Liberation
The Jonathanian States wrote:
Slavsnik wrote:Anyways... let's just put this matter in the mighty hands of our dear OP. Now, the more pressing matter is who would help the Almighty OP in becoming a CO-OP. Gentleman, shall we put the votes up, or is Jon going to appoint one directly, if not, then my vote goes to Nuxipal.

While the Co-OP will be appointed at my discretion, I do want to have a vote here on who you people think makes most sense.
Mexican Liberation wrote:
I didn't mean the caliph as a pope-like figure, but as a religious leader in general. Jesus, in his own way, was a religious leader as well. He may have not directly been involved in the spreading of Christianity, but many people flocked to see him, and many more were converted when they saw his alleged miracles.

What I meant to say is that we already have a wide variety of characters that could be seen as offensive to people. Atilla The Hun, anyone? No, well then what about Joan of Arc, Isabella I, Gajah Mada, Tutankhamen, Itzcoatl, Napoleon Bonaparte, Blackbeard, Abraham Lincoln, and Catherine the Great . Not to mention the characters that we had gender-bent (Cyrus the Great)

My point is, either way people might get offended. We might already be offensive as is, so I'm pretty sure adding Jesus to the mix won't make that much of a difference, if any.

Jesus while also having been a religious leader, is also I'd say character, for lack of a better word, of that religion. Jesus would be more comparable to Mohammed than any Caliph - at least as far as I know.

They may be somewhat offensive, but we don't have any characters that people believe in. I'll be honest and say I even doubt there would be people actually offended by any of those characters, though even if I am wrong, the aforementioned still applies.

People might get offended either way. But should we not limit things that turn it from a small chance to a larger one. Based on above, I'm pretty sure that it would be a difference.


I see your point, but this is a harmless RP, after all. Whatever is done or said here will more than likely have no direct affect on any of us nor our personal lives, unless of course, a troll comes along, or a really big flame war surfaces. But if it wasn't meant to be malicious in any way, why not let it happen? I realize that it is all merely a matter of perspective, but who knows, maybe there is someone out there, that, for whatever reason, will find one or more of the characters here quite offensive. I personally don't whatsoever, but I could see why they would.

So it's all up to you. Not that I cared so enthusiastically about this, but just that I was confused as to why we'd be accepting a variety of characters with questionable personalities, and decline an app for a religious figure that was, like all the others, made to enhance the quality of this RP, but with a wholeheartedly optimistic persona. :)

Jaslandia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:While the Co-OP will be appointed at my discretion, I do want to have a vote here on who you people think makes most sense.

If we're voting for Co-OP, I cast my vote for Slavsnik.


Why not have two? Assuming the OP is dropping out at this point, the first would more than likely take their place, while the second serves as an assistant, or an equal. Please realize that all of us do have a life outside NS, no matter what we do with it. So if one Co-OP is unable to go any further, then we do not have to worry about who will be next to ascend to the throne.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:46 am
by Ronisium
I noted that I'm the only one using "I" and "me" instead of "him" or "her". Is there a certain convention on that I missed or is it just personal preference?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:33 am
by The Union of Sjaelland and Fyn
I am still here, just waiting for something to respond to.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:45 am
by Jaslandia
Ronisium wrote:I noted that I'm the only one using "I" and "me" instead of "him" or "her". Is there a certain convention on that I missed or is it just personal preference?

You could read through the rules again, but I don't see anything mandating people use first or third person. It's more a matter of preference.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:11 pm
by Mexican Liberation
Name: Vlad Țepeș. Also goes by Vlad III, Vlad Dracul, Vlad The Impaler, Vladimir, Dracula, really, any variation of that name that you could come up with, and that'd be fine with him. Mostly.

Age: 15.5

Gender: Male

Sexual Orientation: Heterosexual, maybe bi-curious

Grade: 10th

Clubs: Military Strategy and Tactics Club
Drama and Literature Club
Religious Studies Club (Partly out of interest, but mostly 4tehlolz)
Student's Council


Sports: Chess, Fencing, ye old Fútbol

Appearance:
Image


Personality: He's somewhat emotionless, but from what he usually acts around people, he likes to portray himself as the cool semi-bad-boy of the group, despite his newfound sensitive personality showing otherwise. He doesn't seem to care about school and his grades, but not so much as he just doesn't give a damn outright, kind of a balance of things. ("I got a C? Great, as long as I'm passing, who cares?")The concept of a new life has changed his perceptions quite a bit. Back when he was a leader, he was as ruthless as he was hot-headed, now he's pretty much easygoing and has become a bit philosophical in nature. So overall, he's pretty passive, but can become violently assertive just like everyone else.

Brief History: Those damned Hungarians, how could they put him in that position and leave just like that? What kind of allies would do that to him, the cruelest, most inhumane leader in Wallachian history? He barely has enough troops to siege a town and the Turks are bringing with them a metropolis' worth. Thinking back, it was perhaps not the wisest of things to have impaled all those merchants, women, and insubordinate soldiers along with burning that village that couldn't provide any shortly before the conflict started.

Needless to say, when the battle began, he clearly was going to die, despite having put up the best fight his army possibly could. The last thing he ever saw in this world was a battlefield flooded with blood and a massive amount of human corpses, almost all of them from his own army. The noise of all of the violence was beginning to fall silent. All of his senses were shutting down as he became increasingly sleepy. The last he remembers is someone from the opposing army shouting:

"I got him, I got him! Quick, cut off his head!"

And a large group of them had gathered around him, with their swords waving victoriously high in the air, as he closed his eyes for the last time.

Strangely, he woke up here, in the modern world, as it is apparently called. He looked around for scars and rags, blood and bruises, any indicator that he is still in battle, but found nothing.

That's when he realized that perhaps he was given a second chance at life, and he intends to make up for the lost time in his previous one somehow.


Headcanons: In addition to speaking English, he can also speak his native Romanian, and is able to read Latin (though he can barely speak it). Unlike Catherine, his memories before death are still fully intact, but how he got from there to here he has no idea. He's a relatively good poet and has a fondness for classical literature.

Other Notes: Because he was directly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, the sight of blood and gore or any other kind of violence doesn't really surprise him like most people, though he'll still react to it, naturally.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:53 pm
by Lavan Tiri
Lavan Tiri wrote:Name:King David


Age: 15

Gender: F

Sexual Orientation: Heterosexual

Grade: 10th

Clubs: Student's Council, Strategy club. Monarchs Club,

Sports: Tennis, 200meter dash.

Appearance: They may or may not have some clothing of their life appear in their cabinet

Personality: Very stubborn, loyal to her friends, and horrid to her enemies, has a violent tendency.

Brief History: WIP.

[b]Headcanons: Speaks Hebrew and Ancient Greek.
[b]Other Notes: her English is very poor.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:39 pm
by Slavsnik
Okay... King David, I can accept him being here... but honestly, why do you keep making them Asian?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:43 pm
by Mexican Liberation
Slavsnik wrote:Okay... King David, I can accept him being here... but honestly, why do you keep making them Asian?


It's not really like that...

If you look closely, it can be seen that he/she simply recycled the whole thing.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:57 pm
by Slavsnik
hahaha... that's a cute nickname... grandma Bella

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:43 am
by Slavsnik
Am I the only one whose own characters have interacted with each other?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:55 am
by The Jonathanian States
Jaslandia wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:While the Co-OP will be appointed at my discretion, I do want to have a vote here on who you people think makes most sense.

If we're voting for Co-OP, I cast my vote for Slavsnik.

Mhm.... noted.
Mexican Liberation wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:While the Co-OP will be appointed at my discretion, I do want to have a vote here on who you people think makes most sense.

Jesus while also having been a religious leader, is also I'd say character, for lack of a better word, of that religion. Jesus would be more comparable to Mohammed than any Caliph - at least as far as I know.

They may be somewhat offensive, but we don't have any characters that people believe in. I'll be honest and say I even doubt there would be people actually offended by any of those characters, though even if I am wrong, the aforementioned still applies.

People might get offended either way. But should we not limit things that turn it from a small chance to a larger one. Based on above, I'm pretty sure that it would be a difference.


I see your point, but this is a harmless RP, after all. Whatever is done or said here will more than likely have no direct affect on any of us nor our personal lives, unless of course, a troll comes along, or a really big flame war surfaces. But if it wasn't meant to be malicious in any way, why not let it happen? I realize that it is all merely a matter of perspective, but who knows, maybe there is someone out there, that, for whatever reason, will find one or more of the characters here quite offensive. I personally don't whatsoever, but I could see why they would.

So it's all up to you. Not that I cared so enthusiastically about this, but just that I was confused as to why we'd be accepting a variety of characters with questionable personalities, and decline an app for a religious figure that was, like all the others, made to enhance the quality of this RP, but with a wholeheartedly optimistic persona. :)

Jaslandia wrote:If we're voting for Co-OP, I cast my vote for Slavsnik.


Why not have two? Assuming the OP is dropping out at this point, the first would more than likely take their place, while the second serves as an assistant, or an equal. Please realize that all of us do have a life outside NS, no matter what we do with it. So if one Co-OP is unable to go any further, then we do not have to worry about who will be next to ascend to the throne.

As for the first part:
Eh, I personally would consider it more reasonable to be offended by the display of Jesus than any other character (though I personally wouldn't be by either), but then that may be only me.
On the second part:
I'll leave that option open to whomever takes over as my successor.
Ronisium wrote:I noted that I'm the only one using "I" and "me" instead of "him" or "her". Is there a certain convention on that I missed or is it just personal preference?

If you are talking about in the OOC, when talking about the characters: It's differentiation between oneself and the character one rps, which is personal preference
If you are talking about it in the IC: Merely writing style/preference.
Mexican Liberation wrote:Gah, I almost forgot. I've been working on an app for a second character for quite a while, well, here it is. Apologies for the bad timing.

Name: Vlad Țepeș. Also goes by Vlad III, Vlad Dracul, Vlad The Impaler, Vladimir, Dracula, really, any variation of that name that you could come up with, and that'd be fine with him. Mostly.
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Would you mind that being left for the next OP? Otherwise, in first glance seems ok.
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:Name:King David


Age: 15

Gender: F

Sexual Orientation: Heterosexual

Grade: 10th

Clubs: Student's Council,Peacemakers club, Environment Protection Club, Monarchs Club,

Sports: Tennis, 200meter dash.

Appearance: They may or may not have some clothing of their life appear in their cabinet

Personality: Very stubborn, loyal to her friends, and horrid to her enemies, has a violent tendency.

Brief History: WIP.

[b]Headcanons: Speaks Hebrew and Ancient Greek.
[b]Other Notes: her English is very poor.


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Better choice of character, though I'll wait for it to be finished.
Slavsnik wrote:Am I the only one whose own characters have interacted with each other?

Mostly yes, I think.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:08 am
by Ronisium
Oh, that means Machiavelli probably won't answer my IC questions?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:15 am
by The Jonathanian States
Ronisium wrote:Oh, that means Machiavelli probably won't answer my IC questions?

Probably not, at least until somebody else takes him.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:51 am
by Slavsnik
So... Jon... you're leaving? Verdammnt...

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:58 am
by The Jonathanian States
Slavsnik wrote:So... Jon... you're leaving? Verdammnt...

I kinda hinted at that earlier already, yes. Nice usage of german, by the way.
All I'm doing now is easing the transition to whoever succeeds me in this. I mean, in terms of actual rping I've been inactive for a while already, so there's really no reason for me to continue here. It makes way more sense for somebody actually active to take over.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:00 pm
by Jaslandia
Well, since Jon's departure is inevitable, we need to hurry up and decide on a new OP/Co-OP.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:05 pm
by The Jonathanian States
Jaslandia wrote:Well, since Jon's departure is inevitable, we need to hurry up and decide on a new OP/Co-OP.

Well, no. I'll stay until I see that there's a new OP/Co-OP who's in control 'n stuff, so there doesn't have to be hurry.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:10 pm
by Jaslandia
The Jonathanian States wrote:
Jaslandia wrote:Well, since Jon's departure is inevitable, we need to hurry up and decide on a new OP/Co-OP.

Well, no. I'll stay until I see that there's a new OP/Co-OP who's in control 'n stuff, so there doesn't have to be hurry. I do have enough decency to do that.

Well, that's good.

Also, if you're gone, who will manage all the lists and clubs? You posted them, so only you can modify them.