[NSGS] (WIP) Progressive Movement

[Arachaea]

The Liberal Democrats brought forward legislation during the provisional government to establish the Elizian National Insurance Scheme (ENIS) http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29498180. We also support Progressive Taxation.

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.

We didn't talk that much about concessions though. I am still open to talk with the leader of the Progressive Movement (Arachaea) and I hope that constructive conversation is discussed.

I hope that Arachaea reinforces the deal that has already been hammered-out with the National Coalition, and that we never spend a moment in coalition with you neoliberals.

I would like to reeiforce that seal, as the LDP is becoming quite a toxic party IMO.

[FreYhill]

The Liberal Democrats brought forward legislation during the provisional government to establish the Elizian National Insurance Scheme (ENIS) http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29498180. We also support Progressive Taxation.

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.

We didn't talk that much about concessions though. I am still open to talk with the leader of the Progressive Movement (Arachaea) and I hope that constructive conversation is discussed.

I hope that Arachaea reinforces the deal that has already been hammered-out with the National Coalition, and that we never spend a moment in coalition with you neoliberals.

The legislation establishing was authored by the Liberal Democrats, and most sponsors for it were from the Liberal Democrats or the Social Liberals. I am sure this is our accomplishment. Also, I find it bizzare how someone who is acting as a Progressive is siding with a Coalition that used torture such as Waterboarding.... Proof that the Bill of Rights that they "authored" doesn't mean much to them.

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.


I hope that Arachaea reinforces the deal that has already been hammered-out with the National Coalition, and that we never spend a moment in coalition with you neoliberals.

I would like to reeiforce that seal, as the LDP is becoming quite a toxic party IMO.

Criticise as you please, but please criticise constructively. We're always open to discussions.

[Belmaria]

We know that the National Coalition has pledged to clean up their act, and will support significant reforms on the issues of civil liberties and police violence, among others. They actually discussed policy specifics with me, while you were seemingly incapable of doing so.

[FreYhill]

We know that the National Coalition has pledged to clean up their act, and will support significant reforms on the issues of civil liberties and police violence, among others. They actually discussed policy specifics with me, while you were seemingly incapable of doing so.

I was in class and when I was ready again you disappeared.

[Belmaria]

We know that the National Coalition has pledged to clean up their act, and will support significant reforms on the issues of civil liberties and police violence, among others. They actually discussed policy specifics with me, while you were seemingly incapable of doing so.

I was in class and when I was ready again you disappeared.

I asked you a few questions when you were available and I didn't get a straight answer to most of them.

[FreYhill]

I was in class and when I was ready again you disappeared.

I asked you a few questions when you were available and I didn't get a straight answer to most of them.

As I was moving from one class to the next; I would have given a straight answer if I were capable at the time.

[Belmaria]

I asked you a few questions when you were available and I didn't get a straight answer to most of them.

As I was moving from one class to the next; I would have given a straight answer if I were capable at the time.

Then let's try getting an answer to one of the most important questions I asked: What is the cap income tax rate your party supports?

[The Sarian]

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.


I hope that Arachaea reinforces the deal that has already been hammered-out with the National Coalition, and that we never spend a moment in coalition with you neoliberals.

The legislation establishing was authored by the Liberal Democrats, and most sponsors for it were from the Liberal Democrats or the Social Liberals. I am sure this is our accomplishment. Also, I find it bizzare how someone who is acting as a Progressive is siding with a Coalition that used torture such as Waterboarding.... Proof that the Bill of Rights that they "authored" doesn't mean much to them.

I would like to reeiforce that seal, as the LDP is becoming quite a toxic party IMO.

Criticise as you please, but please criticise constructively. We're always open to discussions.

I mean, the Coalition didn't authorise, order or actually carry out the water boarding so that's a pretty weak argument.

On the other hand, if we ally with them I'm defecting.

[Roosevetania]

We know that the National Coalition has pledged to clean up their act, and will support significant reforms on the issues of civil liberties and police violence, among others. They actually discussed policy specifics with me, while you were seemingly incapable of doing so.

All three members of the National Coalition (Path to Harmony, Elizia First, Socialist Equality Party) say in their platforms that they want to protect "cultural", "moral", and "religious" "traditions" and do not support gay marriage, euthanasia, or abortion.

[Belmaria]

We know that the National Coalition has pledged to clean up their act, and will support significant reforms on the issues of civil liberties and police violence, among others. They actually discussed policy specifics with me, while you were seemingly incapable of doing so.

All three members of the National Coalition (Path to Harmony, Elizia First, Socialist Equality Party) say in their platforms that they want to protect "cultural", "moral", and "religious" "traditions" and do not support gay marriage, euthanasia, or abortion.

And on those issues, we have received numerous concessions from one of the leaders of the coalition.

The legislation establishing was authored by the Liberal Democrats, and most sponsors for it were from the Liberal Democrats or the Social Liberals. I am sure this is our accomplishment. Also, I find it bizzare how someone who is acting as a Progressive is siding with a Coalition that used torture such as Waterboarding.... Proof that the Bill of Rights that they "authored" doesn't mean much to them.



Criticise as you please, but please criticise constructively. We're always open to discussions.

I mean, the Coalition didn't authorise, order or actually carry out the water boarding so that's a pretty weak argument.

On the other hand, if we ally with them I'm defecting.

I had a feeling. I assume it's because of NWO.

[Collatis]

The Liberal Democrats brought forward legislation during the provisional government to establish the Elizian National Insurance Scheme (ENIS) http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... #p29498180. We also support Progressive Taxation.

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.

Seeing as it was written by a member of our party, and strongly supported by our party, this is bs. At the time we were in coalition with the Federalist Party, a party to our right, and the Chinese Interests Party, which was really ambiguous economically.

Look if you choose to work with the NC, that is fine. Just don't spread incorrect information about the Liberal Democrats to justify doing so.

[Belmaria]

As you've been keen to point out about the National Coalition's accomplishments in that time, you were in coalition with the economically leftist parties that wanted to implement said policies at the time. I assure you, those policies were not your accomplishments.

Seeing as it was written by a member of our party, and strongly supported by our party, this is bs. At the time we were in coalition with the Federalist Party, a party to our right, and the Chinese Interests Party, which was really ambiguous economically.

Be sure to leave out the other, more left-wing parties you were also working with, like the Labour Party.

[Collatis]

Seeing as it was written by a member of our party, and strongly supported by our party, this is bs. At the time we were in coalition with the Federalist Party, a party to our right, and the Chinese Interests Party, which was really ambiguous economically.

Be sure to leave out the other, more left-wing parties you were also working with, like the Labour Party.

The Labour Party was not part of our coalition. In fact, they were part of the opposing coalition.

[Belmaria]

Be sure to leave out the other, more left-wing parties you were also working with, like the Labour Party.

The Labour Party was not part of our coalition. In fact, they were part of the opposing coalition.

I suppose that's why they were given a position in the cabinet.

[Collatis]

The Labour Party was not part of our coalition. In fact, they were part of the opposing coalition.

I suppose that's why they were given a position in the cabinet.

They were given a position in the cabinet because MV was a qualified and committed RPer, and to signal unity for the new country's first government. This is not a new thing for NSGS. UotW was a member of the O'Hara cabinet (LDP-DL) in Calaverde despite being a member of an opposing party.

[Britanno 3]

And on those issues, we have received numerous concessions from one of the leaders of the coalition.

In the interest of providing transparency to voters, what are those concessions?

[Belmaria]

And on those issues, we have received numerous concessions from one of the leaders of the coalition.

In the interest of providing transparency to voters, what are those concessions?

I sent you a telegram.

I suppose that's why they were given a position in the cabinet.

They were given a position in the cabinet because MV was a qualified and committed RPer, and to signal unity for the new country's first government. This is not a new thing for NSGS. UotW was a member of the O'Hara cabinet (LDP-DL) in Calaverde despite being a member of an opposing party.

But it was effectively a grand coalition, with parties from all sides participating.

[Roosevetania]

In the interest of providing transparency to voters, what are those concessions?

I sent you a telegram.

Stop sending telegrams! Say it right here where everyone can see!

[Belmaria]

Basically this:

I have a feeling your inboxes are full to the brim with telegrams, so I'll also go ahead and bring our discussion about which coalition we should support public.

I'm neutral at the moment, although I would support either coalition if either the LDP agreed to support social programs and regulation of the economy, or the NC agreed to more civil liberties.

The National Coalition has steadfastly stood in support of expanding the rights of the Elizian people, which we can demonstrate in terms of real, concrete actions.

• The Hons. Tjilik Beluluk (then PtH, now SEP) and John Chiu (then ChIP, now SEP) authored the Declaration of the Rights of Elizian Citizens, Residents and Non-Resident Aliens, the ultimate guarantor of the Elizian people's liberties. In it, we permanently removed Parliament's ability to enact a death penalty, protected religious rights within the context of a secular state, and put strong restrictions on the ability of the government to erode the liberty and equality of the Elizian people.
• The Hon. Cornelius Van Der Loon (then Labour, now caucusing with the NC) authored the Collective Bargaining and Trade Union Rights Act, which ensured fundamental labour rights for all Elizian workers.
• The Hon. John Chiu wrote the Federal Civil Service Act, which provides public sector employees with a right to strike, free speech, due process before termination, and equal opportunity for historically oppressed groups, and the Obstruction of Justice Act (since superseded by the Criminal Code), which protects the judicial independence and right to a fair trial that are necessary in any functioning democratic society.
• The Hon. Emilia Larsen (then NWP, now SEP) wrote the Elizian Housing Act, which by providing the poorest and most disadvantaged in society with dignified housing ensured what FDR would call the freedom from want.
• Under the direction of the NC Cabinet, the Solicitor-General opened a probe into Markson Industries after it infringed upon the freedom of conscience of its employees -- resulting in a groundbreaking settlement that ensured their right to hold political beliefs without undue interference.
• The Rt Hon. Siva Jeyaratnam (EFP) wrote the Competition and Consumer Act, which protects the freedom of choice of Elizian consumers by preventing the formation of anti-competitive monopolies and ensuring that consumers have a series of enumerated rights when shopping.

As we have outlined in our platform, Vision 20/20: A vision for Elizia in 2020, we will be replacing the Emergency Policing Act with a permanent federal police force that is trained to focus on de-escalation and community policing, ensuring that the police remains unarmed, and establishing an independent board to investigate all incidents involving police use of force. We will be introducing additional labour laws to end exploitative and dangerous working conditions and strengthening the Elizian Business Regulator so that it can stand up for consumer rights. We will furthermore establish an autonomous coroner's office to impartially investigate suspicious deaths.

We are more than willing to work across the floor to protect these rights and more from attack, and to further expand the rights and liberties of all Elizians.

Plus this:

Again, this is also the case with the Liberal Coalition's stated accomplishments, by Collatis' own admission.

You can always look a our platform, or at the many bills, including government healthcare, that were passed when we were in Government.

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What are the National Coalition's stances on the following issues?

• Encryption
• Surveillance
• LGBT issues
• Proliferation of technology
• Internet freedom and censorship
• Patent and copyright law

Encryption: We do not have the means, the motivations, nor the desire to bypass encryption systems or to compel private corporations to install backdoors. (...nor do most Elizians have encrypted phones, I reckon.)

Surveillance: Targeted surveillance of individuals suspected with probable cause of committing a felony is justifiable with a judicial warrant and a widely-recognised tool across the world in criminal investigations and attack prevention strategies. However, mass surveillance is not just blatantly illegal, it is unjustifiable from both a moral standpoint and a factual standpoint. The National Coalition is therefore opposed to establishing a signals intelligence service.

LGBT issues: The National Coalition has not, and will not, criminalise same-sex sexual activity or otherwise punish gay people for being gay; as our Constitution states, "the freedom of conscience is unalienable," no matter how unpopular or socially unacceptable the conviction is. However, the recognition of same-sex unions is not a step that we, nor an overwhelming majority of Elizians, are willing to take.

Proliferation of technology: The proliferation of technology is a net benefit for the Elizian economy and people. The National Coalition is currently writing a telecommunications bill that would bring cheap, competitive access to mobile coverage through spectrum licencing, and will empower the Elizian Business Regulator to prevent the tragic consolidation of telecom utilities into overpriced, underperforming oligopolies as has happened elsewhere.

Internet freedom and censorship: The Bill of Rights that the National Coalition wrote is clear on Internet freedom. "All (...) forms of media, regardless of means of communication, shall have the unconditional freedom of the press in the instances of political speech or similar reporting thereof (...). The Elizian state may not censor or regulate any truthful information, nor may it shut down or censor a media outlet for publishing truthful information." We fully intend to keep it this way.

Patent and copyright law: Customary international law (and the desire to create an atmosphere conducive towards economic prosperity) compels us to recognise intellectual property rights. A National Coalition government will support terms of 20 years on patents (with compulsory licensing) and of 50 years or life plus ten (whichever is shorter) for copyrights. We support a liberal set of fair dealings exemptions to ensure that copyright holders cannot shut down legitimate commentary or usage of their works.

And a few other things that were discussed in private, which I don't want to make public until I get approval from both the NC leadership, as well as Arachaea.

[Arachaea]

Well the vote is over, and the NC is in government without the need for a confidence and supply.

I suggest we now create an official platform for the party.

[The Sarian]

They wouldn't be, if it wasn't for Belmaria.

As such, I shall be leaving this party.

[Belmaria]

Damn it, quiet, both of you. I already negotiated a deal with their coalition leadership prior to the vote, and they know that with such a tight vote, they will do their best to keep us in their good graces. We are effectively already in a confidence and supply agreement, and if the NC refuses to follow through, we will initiate a motion of confidence. Calm down.

Although Sarian is almost certainly leaving because he hates NWO, so go right ahead buddy.

[Arachaea]

Would anyone be interested in becoming party whip?

[Socialist Nordia]

I would like the position, but it would probably be better to give it to a more experienced member. If no one else wants it though, then yes.

[Socialist Nordia]

We really need an actual platform. Is that coming soon?