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Postby Arkolon » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:02 pm

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Zunkwentania wrote:But free Nexus 6s keep the populace immune to inferior iPhones :p

How about a nexus 6s and an iPad as a compromise? :p

Talk about a stimulus program. That's far too expensive!
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Postby Zunkwentania » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:07 pm

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Zunkwentania wrote:But free Nexus 6s keep the populace immune to inferior iPhones :p

How about a nexus 6s and an iPad as a compromise? :p

If you insist :p

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Postby Malgrave » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:23 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:I'm not going to be on NS much for the next day or two, just to let everyone know. I'm going to be on 3 different flights over 26 hours *shutters*. So if I'm not posting, it's because I'm over the Pacific ocean. Adios, comrades.


and over several time zones? Sounds rather painful. :hug:
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:24 pm

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Atlanticatia wrote:I'm not going to be on NS much for the next day or two, just to let everyone know. I'm going to be on 3 different flights over 26 hours *shutters*. So if I'm not posting, it's because I'm over the Pacific ocean. Adios, comrades.


and over several time zones? Sounds rather painful. :hug:

Yup. I think its going to end up taking me 2 days because of time zones. :meh:
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Postby Bandwagon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:50 am

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Atlanticatia wrote:Spending a lot on family benefits ends up improving employment rates (among women esp.) and reduces poverty. Every dollar spent on family benefits reaps more economic growth than was spent.

But free Nexus 6s keep the populace immune to inferior iPhones :p

Why not these beauties?
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What? Obviously just give them a basic iPhone.

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Postby Unicario » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:26 pm

I think a good goal for us would be to have our entire country with sufficient internet access to provide for better education, improved productivity due to greater interconnectivity, and easy facilitation of monetary goods.
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Postby Malgrave » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:27 pm

Unicario wrote:I think a good goal for us would be to have our entire country with sufficient internet access to provide for better education, improved productivity due to greater interconnectivity, and easy facilitation of monetary goods.


I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:52 pm

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Unicario wrote:I think a good goal for us would be to have our entire country with sufficient internet access to provide for better education, improved productivity due to greater interconnectivity, and easy facilitation of monetary goods.


I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.

In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:56 pm

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Malgrave wrote:
I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.

In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.


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Postby Malgrave » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:07 pm

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Malgrave wrote:
I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.

In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.


I'm confident that we can alleviate the worst poverty in rural areas and provide food security. I have heard of interesting campaigns in similar countries that make use of charities and private ventures.
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Postby San Jose Guayabal » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:15 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.

In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.


Actually, the rural part of South America (Heading to Uruguay and Argentina) hasn't big problems with food, programming skills and internet access are key for develop a nation of competent ciizens, I like that idea, even when we have everything sorted out, we could do a bill.
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Postby Mollary » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:16 pm

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Malgrave wrote:
I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.

In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.

Internet access has allowed businesses providing useful services to the rural and urban poor in India, set up IN rural India to flourish. For example, a banking service which uses mobile internet, which allows rural to urban migrants to send money back from the city to their families.
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Postby San Jose Guayabal » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:19 pm

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Arkolon wrote:In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.

Internet access has allowed businesses providing useful services to the rural and urban poor in India, set up IN rural India to flourish. For example, a banking service which uses mobile internet, which allows rural to urban migrants to send money back from the city to their families.



Yes, and we can do that here in South America, there's no barriers, though I think that government shouldn't use only his funds, it will require help from the private enterprise with the funds, well basing in their social responsability with the people, they can even get new employees by picking the best or the persons in need to work.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:25 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Arkolon wrote:In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.


#Leftists

We can't eat but at least we can leap forward. :p

I'm sure the farmers and labourers of the land will be delighted when they learn that their government has offered them free JavaScript programming lessons.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:27 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
I'd like for us to promote computer literacy and more advanced skills through the education system.

In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.

Most countries in South America aren't starving. There's poverty in pockets, but most of those poor people can still eat.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:27 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Arkolon wrote:In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.


I'm confident that we can alleviate the worst poverty in rural areas and provide food security. I have heard of interesting campaigns in similar countries that make use of charities and private ventures.

Not with a tiny budget and free iPhones we can't. Either we get our priorities straight, and draft bills that alleviate poverty, or we bloat spending for the Ministry of Wireless Connection Services and the Department of Free Kitchen Utensils.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:28 pm

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Arkolon wrote:In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.

Most countries in South America aren't starving. There's poverty in pockets, but most of those poor people can still eat.

All I was suggesting was that we concentrate on alleviating poverty, not expensive secondary programs.
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Postby Mollary » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:29 pm

The thing is, hardly anywhere is starving. Countries are malnourished, but not starving. Otherwise they wouldn't exist yet.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:29 pm

Mollary wrote:
Arkolon wrote:In rural South America? What matters is that these people have food on their plates, not WiFi access or C# programming skills.

Internet access has allowed businesses providing useful services to the rural and urban poor in India, set up IN rural India to flourish. For example, a banking service which uses mobile internet, which allows rural to urban migrants to send money back from the city to their families.

What matters is giving these people money to spend, not mediums through which to funnel cash they don't always have.
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Postby Mollary » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:30 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Most countries in South America aren't starving. There's poverty in pockets, but most of those poor people can still eat.

All I was suggesting was that we concentrate on alleviating poverty, not expensive secondary programs.

Increasing cheap or free access to the interest to allow for people to be entrepreneurial is one way to do this, no?
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:31 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Mollary wrote:Internet access has allowed businesses providing useful services to the rural and urban poor in India, set up IN rural India to flourish. For example, a banking service which uses mobile internet, which allows rural to urban migrants to send money back from the city to their families.

What matters is giving these people money to spend, not mediums through which to funnel cash they don't always have.

Internet access could be used to make adult education classes easily available in rural areas or help them start/manage businesses.
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Postby Malgrave » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:32 pm

Mollary wrote:
Arkolon wrote:All I was suggesting was that we concentrate on alleviating poverty, not expensive secondary programs.

Increasing cheap or free access to the interest to allow for people to be entrepreneurial is one way to do this, no?


I've seen farmers in rural communities greatly benefit from reliable internet access. You can gather information on everything from future weather patterns to the activity of the local market.
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Postby Arkolon » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:32 pm

Mollary wrote:The thing is, hardly anywhere is starving. Countries are malnourished, but not starving. Otherwise they wouldn't exist yet.

I said "food on their plates", which would anyway cover malnourishment, but can also be taken as a diminutive for all forms of poverty. Alternatives include "a roof over their heads"; "drinking water"; "warmth and shelter", or "a place to sleep". Even if these do not alone cover the problems faced by the country in question, they all cover the same thing: poverty.
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