NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Ainin]

I was simultaneously Minister of Commerce and Vice-President for 12 hours, if that counts for anything.

[Kouralia]

That's not already the generic Admin job?

It is, but Kour's proposing an admin whose sole job is to review the "external" type RPs, like crime syndicates, location threads, etc.

Additionally, crime doesn't really work adversarially.

For example: Every crime leaves behind evidence. If I jump your garden fence, cross your lawn, use a screwdriver and stand on the bin lid to open the top-window, then reach inside and pull myself through before going around your house and finally opening the backdoor with the keys and leaving that way, I've left at least two footwear marks (of differing types) in the back garden, two or three tool marks, likely two full fingerprint marks (for each hand), and that's just entering.

NSGS had people RPing the most outlandish bullshit, like a mafia composed entirely of armoured cars, incredibly tightly export-controlled weapons, anti-tank munitions, trained special forces drivers and international trillionaire businessmen. Not only that, but magically all of these people would leave absolutely no forensic evidence at all behind. Not only that, but OOCly any attempt to infiltrate them would be god-modding (such as when I used an alt to fool the entire mafia into thinking that it wasn't the head of the police apping them), or as when someone in the mafia gave me access to their off-site forums, the evidence gained from that (arguably 'counts-as-surveillance-or-wiretapping-etc.') was null-and-void. Especially when it turned out that the Mafia itself had been making random stuff up without the permission of the person in question.

This left me as the Police having to shut down the entire capital city in a Gendarmerie drill in order to sufficiently limit movement and get enough forces (literally thousands of Gendarmes) in place to safely arrest senior mafia members without 'lel, fifty mafiosos appear out of nowhere in armoured cars with GPMGs and cut down the police, kthxbai'. Then that turned out that one person wasn't in the senate and I'd godmodded by assuming he was in the senate (but it wasn't godmodding to, on a previous occasion, assume that no policemen who were there to arrest a senator would recognise that it wasn't in fact the senator), and that the other one wasn't involved in the mafia and that my evidence was rendered null and void, because he'd IGNORE any attempts to arrest him. My RPing was criticised OOCly frequently because, in effect, 'you're not godmodding or wanking hard enough'. When I did godmod, or do anything out of the ordinary (like provide free pizzas to a riotous crowd, calming them down in a single post) it was lambasted and suddenly out of nowhere 'lel machineguns again'.

Basically doesn't work.

[The Nihilistic view]

I am not sure that its unfair, since it makes sense that party leader by definition has more membership behind him than any other individual senator - otherwise he would never be a leader. If we assume opinions of membership is reflected well with senators, then leader would have most senators behind him/her.
Of course there are rare cases such as Hippo's coup but I dont think that happened more than once/twice in both iterations of senate...

Its not a given that the party leader is the leading member of the party. In presidential systems (France and the US for example) party leaders are often a relatively junior official, and even in parliamentary systems its not always the party leader that leads the party.

But my objection to letting the leader get more votes is chiefly a principal objection to letting someone, no matter how elevated an office they hold, have more voting power than others.

Could we not instead say that excess votes are simply discounted? That way not only will an individual senator have incentive to stay with his/hers party to get the extra votes but the party itself would also have incentive to hold on to its members so that votes aren't lost.

No, I never had more than one ministry, that's not what I meant. They were other jobs like PpT, party and coalition jobs, Civil service jobs.

Then I am not sure I see the problem. Why shouldn't one person be allowed to hold both a party office and a ministry at the same time? Isn't that the norm in parliamentary systems?

I'm not saying they should not be allowed, Just that if we have more senators I would take the opportunity to unburden my main senator ICly. Other people can too but it's up to them. They often have two jobs, occasionally three but five or six to me seems like a lot to fit into ones day. I have not heard of an MP with six jobs. So I would have my senator with three jobs and maybe another couple of senators have a job each ICly. It's about freedom, you can do it if you want or have six jobs if you want. It just gives people the freedom to choose what they want to do.

[Of the Quendi]

I'm not saying they should not be allowed, Just that if we have more senators I would take the opportunity to unburden my main senator ICly. Other people can too but it's up to them. They often have two jobs, occasionally three but five or six to me seems like a lot to fit into ones day. I have not heard of an MP with six jobs. So I would have my senator with three jobs and maybe another couple of senators have a job each ICly. It's about freedom, you can do it if you want or have six jobs if you want. It just gives people the freedom to choose what they want to do.

To me it just sounds like a way to let people get away with hoarding offices. If someone has so many jobs that they couldn't be held by a single individual then they should relinquish some of their offices to other players.

What where your six jobs? If you didn't hold multiple cabinet posts and you didn't hold every single office in your party how could you reach six?

[The Nihilistic view]

I'm not saying they should not be allowed, Just that if we have more senators I would take the opportunity to unburden my main senator ICly. Other people can too but it's up to them. They often have two jobs, occasionally three but five or six to me seems like a lot to fit into ones day. I have not heard of an MP with six jobs. So I would have my senator with three jobs and maybe another couple of senators have a job each ICly. It's about freedom, you can do it if you want or have six jobs if you want. It just gives people the freedom to choose what they want to do.

To me it just sounds like a way to let people get away with hoarding offices. If someone has so many jobs that they couldn't be held by a single individual then they should relinquish some of their offices to other players.

What where your six jobs? If you didn't hold multiple cabinet posts and you didn't hold every single office in your party how could you reach six?

As I have already said, people already had multiple jobs. Unless you believe they will now end up with more than previously.

Minister of Research and Development
PpT, later deputy PpT.
Deputy leader of the ALM
Treasurer-appointed by Minister of Finance
Deputy director of the NIB- appointed by Minister of Interior

So 5 at the peak. I could have had a position in the NFC as well but I always declined to run based on doing my other jobs.

[New Zepuha]

It is, but Kour's proposing an admin whose sole job is to review the "external" type RPs, like crime syndicates, location threads, etc.

Additionally, crime doesn't really work adversarially.

For example: Every crime leaves behind evidence. If I jump your garden fence, cross your lawn, use a screwdriver and stand on the bin lid to open the top-window, then reach inside and pull myself through before going around your house and finally opening the backdoor with the keys and leaving that way, I've left at least two footwear marks (of differing types) in the back garden, two or three tool marks, likely two full fingerprint marks (for each hand), and that's just entering.

NSGS had people RPing the most outlandish bullshit, like a mafia composed entirely of armoured cars, incredibly tightly export-controlled weapons, anti-tank munitions, trained special forces drivers and international trillionaire businessmen. Not only that, but magically all of these people would leave absolutely no forensic evidence at all behind. Not only that, but OOCly any attempt to infiltrate them would be god-modding (such as when I used an alt to fool the entire mafia into thinking that it wasn't the head of the police apping them), or as when someone in the mafia gave me access to their off-site forums, the evidence gained from that (arguably 'counts-as-surveillance-or-wiretapping-etc.') was null-and-void. Especially when it turned out that the Mafia itself had been making random stuff up without the permission of the person in question.

This left me as the Police having to shut down the entire capital city in a Gendarmerie drill in order to sufficiently limit movement and get enough forces (literally thousands of Gendarmes) in place to safely arrest senior mafia members without 'lel, fifty mafiosos appear out of nowhere in armoured cars with GPMGs and cut down the police, kthxbai'. Then that turned out that one person wasn't in the senate and I'd godmodded by assuming he was in the senate (but it wasn't godmodding to, on a previous occasion, assume that no policemen who were there to arrest a senator would recognise that it wasn't in fact the senator), and that the other one wasn't involved in the mafia and that my evidence was rendered null and void, because he'd IGNORE any attempts to arrest him. My RPing was criticised OOCly frequently because, in effect, 'you're not godmodding or wanking hard enough'. When I did godmod, or do anything out of the ordinary (like provide free pizzas to a riotous crowd, calming them down in a single post) it was lambasted and suddenly out of nowhere 'lel machineguns again'.

Basically doesn't work.

This sums it up pretty well. An admin to just review RP would be a great idea to have.

[Kouralia]

To me it just sounds like a way to let people get away with hoarding offices. If someone has so many jobs that they couldn't be held by a single individual then they should relinquish some of their offices to other players.

What where your six jobs? If you didn't hold multiple cabinet posts and you didn't hold every single office in your party how could you reach six?

As I have already said, people already had multiple jobs. Unless you believe they will now end up with more than previously.

Minister of Research and Development
PpT, later deputy PpT.
Deputy leader of the ALM
Treasurer-appointed by Minister of Finance
Deputy director of the NIB- appointed by Minister of Interior

So 5 at the peak. I could have had a position in the NFC as well but I always declined to run based on doing my other jobs.

See, one of those should unequivocally be a Civil Service position, not one that should be handed out to a random appointee.

The problems with RPing were, imo:

• Rampant god-modding, wanking, or general OTTness (e.g. a mafia hit team arrives to kill a senator. When their firing bullets into the windows doesn't work, they pull out rocket launchers, GPMGs, anti-tank grenades and flamethrowers. When everyone is dead, they then escape in their armoured SUVs, but are stopped by ramming into a police car. The one remaining living mafioso then commits suicide for Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him The Godfather with a hand grenade)
• Failure to RP evidence (e.g. apparently with five APCs/IFVs rolling around down-town Aurentina, it was impossible for the CJS in general to be able to work out where they came from) Ignoring the fact that a maximum of a three digit number of said model vehicles would have been produced in the year, and that it would be a trifling matter to locate which were not accounted for and where they had gone missing).
• Too many Cooks spoil the broth (e.g. I start a Police account after asking the admins' permission. Another Admin starts the ANG account. Someone asks me to be my deputy because I have too much to deal with, and the ANG is doing nothing. Shortly after I end up with both ANG and ANP accounts. By the time it was over, there were two National Intelligencery Accounts, two National Investigative Bureau Accounts, two Police Accounts, three Service Police Accounts, the ANG Account, a Transport Police Account and multiple investigatory agencies accounts).
• Failure to RP consequences - people would be arrested, or arrest someone, and then the Courts player would CBA to hold a trial. Or someone would commit offences and then be arrested and then walk into the senate next day like nothing had happened. (e.g. At one point I had to god-mod and kill another person's character, because they jumped out of the back door of an armoured car doing 70mph while being followed by two 4-tonne lorries on the motor-way. He was like 'I unpick my cuffs and escape, lelelelelelel', so I just said 'you jump out the back, sustain what would be GBH in a half-second from impact to the road, then are crushed by two lorries at 70mph. You're dead. Deal with it.')
• Character disconnect - too many people with any number of roles for them OOCly, but not taking into account whether the same person ICly has those roles. I always ensured that my MoI, my Chief Constable, my Corps Commanding General and my criminal character/bodyguard were different people. On the other hand we had instances where the entire of the nation's law enforcement community anticipated that the Prince of Shadows was, ICly, the same person as the player's senator - like with every single other person in that organisation. Turned out he wasn't.)

That's all I can think of atm.

Oh, I also retain my claim on fuckoffium.

[The Nihilistic view]

As I have already said, people already had multiple jobs. Unless you believe they will now end up with more than previously.

Minister of Research and Development
PpT, later deputy PpT.
Deputy leader of the ALM
Treasurer-appointed by Minister of Finance
Deputy director of the NIB- appointed by Minister of Interior

So 5 at the peak. I could have had a position in the NFC as well but I always declined to run based on doing my other jobs.

See, one of those should unequivocally be a Civil Service position, not one that should be handed out to a random appointee.

The problems with RPing were, imo:

• Rampant god-modding, wanking, or general OTTness (e.g. a mafia hit team arrives to kill a senator. When their firing bullets into the windows doesn't work, they pull out rocket launchers, GPMGs, anti-tank grenades and flamethrowers. When everyone is dead, they then escape in their armoured SUVs, but are stopped by ramming into a police car. The one remaining living mafioso then commits suicide for Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him The Godfather with a hand grenade)
• Failure to RP evidence (e.g. apparently with five APCs/IFVs rolling around down-town Aurentina, it was impossible for the CJS in general to be able to work out where they came from) Ignoring the fact that a maximum of a three digit number of said model vehicles would have been produced in the year, and that it would be a trifling matter to locate which were not accounted for and where they had gone missing).
• Too many Cooks spoil the broth (e.g. I start a Police account after asking the admins' permission. Another Admin starts the ANG account. Someone asks me to be my deputy because I have too much to deal with, and the ANG is doing nothing. Shortly after I end up with both ANG and ANP accounts. By the time it was over, there were two National Intelligencery Accounts, two National Investigative Bureau Accounts, two Police Accounts, three Service Police Accounts, the ANG Account, a Transport Police Account and multiple investigatory agencies accounts).
• Failure to RP consequences - people would be arrested, or arrest someone, and then the Courts player would CBA to hold a trial. Or someone would commit offences and then be arrested and then walk into the senate next day like nothing had happened. (e.g. At one point I had to god-mod and kill another person's character, because they jumped out of the back door of an armoured car doing 70mph while being followed by two 4-tonne lorries on the motor-way. He was like 'I unpick my cuffs and escape, lelelelelelel', so I just said 'you jump out the back, sustain what would be GBH in a half-second from impact to the road, then are crushed by two lorries at 70mph. You're dead. Deal with it.')
• Character disconnect - too many people with any number of roles for them OOCly, but not taking into account whether the same person ICly has those roles. I always ensured that my MoI, my Chief Constable, my Corps Commanding General and my criminal character/bodyguard were different people. On the other hand we had instances where the entire of the nation's law enforcement community anticipated that the Prince of Shadows was, ICly, the same person as the player's senator - like with every single other person in that organisation. Turned out he wasn't.)

That's all I can think of atm.

Oh, I also retain my claim on fuckoffium.

The issue there would have been that they were legally sold at the time of sale before the laws on things like that came into force. At the start we had no laws. I don't think I ever argued they could not be traced. My point is they were at the time sold legally and no law required disclosure. Nobody in law reinforcement ever came to ask for information which would have been freely available and would have given the info needed of who they were sold and where they were delivered to. With that information some of the people in the mafia involved who they were sold to could have been traced by the police.

[New Zepuha]

Too many Cooks spoil the broth (e.g. I start a Police account after asking the admins' permission. Another Admin starts the ANG account. Someone asks me to be my deputy because I have too much to deal with, and the ANG is doing nothing. Shortly after I end up with both ANG and ANP accounts. By the time it was over, there were two National Intelligencery Accounts, two National Investigative Bureau Accounts, two Police Accounts, three Service Police Accounts, the ANG Account, a Transport Police Account and multiple investigatory agencies accounts).

On this I'd like to say a few things, and many of these accounts went inactive. I took over the police when you decided to leave, and the ANG went to Ainin.

ANP was disbanded under legislation and simply transferred to my control. The ANP account came around again when some newbie thought it was still around and wanted to play policeman.

The two NI accounts were around only because I lost the password to the first one and had to make a new one.

The NIB I created and handed to Ainin, but Nihl for some reason decided to make a separate account for the deputy director. Transport police was used rarely by Ainin, and the other investigation agencies were used even less often. The Bank Police being deployed once against Dragomere.

So yes, we had too many people playing policeman, but we also had too many overlapping authorities in the first place. Do you suggest that we should have a limit on how many people can control what? I also suggest that we might consider barring Mafia players from taking public service roles unless they can prove themselves unbiased.

[Great Nepal]

Too many Cooks spoil the broth (e.g. I start a Police account after asking the admins' permission. Another Admin starts the ANG account. Someone asks me to be my deputy because I have too much to deal with, and the ANG is doing nothing. Shortly after I end up with both ANG and ANP accounts. By the time it was over, there were two National Intelligencery Accounts, two National Investigative Bureau Accounts, two Police Accounts, three Service Police Accounts, the ANG Account, a Transport Police Account and multiple investigatory agencies accounts).

On this I'd like to say a few things, and many of these accounts went inactive. I took over the police when you decided to leave, and the ANG went to Ainin.

ANP was disbanded under legislation and simply transferred to my control. The ANP account came around again when some newbie thought it was still around and wanted to play policeman.

The two NI accounts were around only because I lost the password to the first one and had to make a new one.

The NIB I created and handed to Ainin, but Nihl for some reason decided to make a separate account for the deputy director. Transport police was used rarely by Ainin, and the other investigation agencies were used even less often. The Bank Police being deployed once against Dragomere.

So yes, we had too many people playing policeman, but we also had too many overlapping authorities in the first place. Do you suggest that we should have a limit on how many people can control what? I also suggest that we might consider barring Mafia players from taking public service roles unless they can prove themselves unbiased.

...reading this I have one question, why did we ever have so many police organisations in first place? I mean we weren't federal nation so logically we should have had one overreaching police unit who looked after everything from armed assault team to traffic officers.

[Ainin]

"and the ANG went to Ainin."

Wut

[Ainin]

The Transport Police was created because someone would come and shoot up Leishaagen Central every two and a half days.

[The Nihilistic view]

Too many Cooks spoil the broth (e.g. I start a Police account after asking the admins' permission. Another Admin starts the ANG account. Someone asks me to be my deputy because I have too much to deal with, and the ANG is doing nothing. Shortly after I end up with both ANG and ANP accounts. By the time it was over, there were two National Intelligencery Accounts, two National Investigative Bureau Accounts, two Police Accounts, three Service Police Accounts, the ANG Account, a Transport Police Account and multiple investigatory agencies accounts).

On this I'd like to say a few things, and many of these accounts went inactive. I took over the police when you decided to leave, and the ANG went to Ainin.

ANP was disbanded under legislation and simply transferred to my control. The ANP account came around again when some newbie thought it was still around and wanted to play policeman.

The two NI accounts were around only because I lost the password to the first one and had to make a new one.

The NIB I created and handed to Ainin, but Nihl for some reason decided to make a separate account for the deputy director. Transport police was used rarely by Ainin, and the other investigation agencies were used even less often. The Bank Police being deployed once against Dragomere.

So yes, we had too many people playing policeman, but we also had too many overlapping authorities in the first place. Do you suggest that we should have a limit on how many people can control what? I also suggest that we might consider barring Mafia players from taking public service roles unless they can prove themselves unbiased.

Yes because having two accounts allowed both of us to do stuff at the same time, with one account we would keep logging each other out. Though in the end Ainin rarely used his one. It's rather a case of hindsight really. And by the time I took on the role I was not doing anything to do with the Mafia either IC or OOC.

[Lamaredia]

Just going to say that I'll be here in the discussion, but with my other nation, Gallifrey Secundaria.

[The Nihilistic view]

The Transport Police was created because someone would come and shoot up Leishaagen Central every two and a half days.

I think the more general point was that the Transport police could have come under the ordinary police control. Though having said that many nations seem to have dedicated transport police.

[The Nihilistic view]

On this I'd like to say a few things, and many of these accounts went inactive. I took over the police when you decided to leave, and the ANG went to Ainin.

ANP was disbanded under legislation and simply transferred to my control. The ANP account came around again when some newbie thought it was still around and wanted to play policeman.

The two NI accounts were around only because I lost the password to the first one and had to make a new one.

The NIB I created and handed to Ainin, but Nihl for some reason decided to make a separate account for the deputy director. Transport police was used rarely by Ainin, and the other investigation agencies were used even less often. The Bank Police being deployed once against Dragomere.

So yes, we had too many people playing policeman, but we also had too many overlapping authorities in the first place. Do you suggest that we should have a limit on how many people can control what? I also suggest that we might consider barring Mafia players from taking public service roles unless they can prove themselves unbiased.

...reading this I have one question, why did we ever have so many police organisations in first place? I mean we weren't federal nation so logically we should have had one overreaching police unit who looked after everything from armed assault team to traffic officers.

Because Senate. They past laws and the organisations were created.

[Ainin]

The Transport Police was created because someone would come and shoot up Leishaagen Central every two and a half days.

I think the more general point was that the Transport police could have come under the ordinary police control. Though having said that many nations seem to have dedicated transport police.

It's not transport police as in a police that regulates transport. The Capital Transportation Police was just the general fare inspection/infrastructure security division of the public transport agency, but its inspectors were empowered to carry firearms because :aurentina:

[Kouralia]

...reading this I have one question, why did we ever have so many police organisations in first place? I mean we weren't federal nation so logically we should have had one overreaching police unit who looked after everything from armed assault team to traffic officers.

Britain has ~50 police forces and investigatory agencies.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

...reading this I have one question, why did we ever have so many police organisations in first place? I mean we weren't federal nation so logically we should have had one overreaching police unit who looked after everything from armed assault team to traffic officers.

Britain has ~50 police forces and investigatory agencies.

Even Sweden, a country with 10 million inhabitants has about 11 or so agencies.

[Ainin]

On this I'd like to say a few things, and many of these accounts went inactive. I took over the police when you decided to leave, and the ANG went to Ainin.

ANP was disbanded under legislation and simply transferred to my control. The ANP account came around again when some newbie thought it was still around and wanted to play policeman.

The two NI accounts were around only because I lost the password to the first one and had to make a new one.

The NIB I created and handed to Ainin, but Nihl for some reason decided to make a separate account for the deputy director. Transport police was used rarely by Ainin, and the other investigation agencies were used even less often. The Bank Police being deployed once against Dragomere.

So yes, we had too many people playing policeman, but we also had too many overlapping authorities in the first place. Do you suggest that we should have a limit on how many people can control what? I also suggest that we might consider barring Mafia players from taking public service roles unless they can prove themselves unbiased.

...reading this I have one question, why did we ever have so many police organisations in first place? I mean we weren't federal nation so logically we should have had one overreaching police unit who looked after everything from armed assault team to traffic officers.

Go tell that to the Police Nationale, Gendarmerie, Direction générale des douanes et droits indirects, garde champêtre, Police municipale and Police judiciaire

[Kouralia]

...reading this I have one question, why did we ever have so many police organisations in first place? I mean we weren't federal nation so logically we should have had one overreaching police unit who looked after everything from armed assault team to traffic officers.

Go tell that to the Police Nationale, Gendarmerie, Direction générale des douanes et droits indirects, garde champêtre, Police municipale and Police judiciaire

dirty french centralisation.

go tell that to the


Avon and Somerset Constabulary
Bedfordshire Police
Cambridgeshire Constabulary
Cheshire Constabulary
City of London Police
Cleveland Police
Cumbria Constabulary
Derbyshire Constabulary
Devon and Cornwall Police
Dorset Police
Durham Constabulary
Essex Police
Gloucestershire Constabulary
Greater Manchester Police
Hampshire Constabulary
Hertfordshire Constabulary
Humberside Police
Kent Police
Lancashire Constabulary
Leicestershire Constabulary
Lincolnshire Police
Merseyside Police
Metropolitan Police
Norfolk Constabulary
Northamptonshire Police
Northumbria Police
North Yorkshire Police
Nottinghamshire Police
South Yorkshire Police
Staffordshire Police
Suffolk Constabulary
Surrey Police
Sussex Police
Thames Valley Police
Warwickshire Police
West Mercia Police
West Midlands Police
West Yorkshire Police
Wiltshire Police
Dyfed-Powys Police
Gwent Police
North Wales Police
South Wales Police
Police Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
Civil Nuclear Constabulary
Ministry of Defence Police
British Transport Police
National Crime Agency
National Wildlife Crime Unit
National Counter Terrorism Security Office
Vehicle Crime Intelligence Service
Border Force
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs
Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency
Driver and Vehicle Agency
Independent Police Complaints Commission
National Police Air Service
Security Service
Serious Fraud Office
Health and Safety Executive
Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland
Belfast Harbour Police
Larne Harbour Police
Port of Bristol Police
Port of Felixstowe Police
Port of Portland Police
Falmouth Docks Police
Port of Dover Police
Port of Liverpool Police
Port of Tilbury Police
Tees and Hartlepool Port Authority Harbour Police
Epping Forest Keepers
Kew Constabulary
Parks Police Service
Hillingdon Parks Patrol Service
Hampstead Heath Constabulary
Belfast International Airport Constabulary
Cambridge University Constabulary
Mersey Tunnels Police
Northern Ireland Security Guard Service
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Isle of Man Constabulary
Isle of Man Airport Police
States of Jersey Police
States of Jersey Customs and Immigration Service
Honorary Police
States of Guernsey Police Service and
Guernsey Border Agency

[The New World Oceania]

Go tell that to the Police Nationale, Gendarmerie, Direction générale des douanes et droits indirects, garde champêtre, Police municipale and Police judiciaire

dirty french centralisation.

go tell that to the

Avon and Somerset Constabulary
Bedfordshire Police
Cambridgeshire Constabulary
Cheshire Constabulary
City of London Police
Cleveland Police
Cumbria Constabulary
Derbyshire Constabulary
Devon and Cornwall Police
Dorset Police
Durham Constabulary
Essex Police
Gloucestershire Constabulary
Greater Manchester Police
Hampshire Constabulary
Hertfordshire Constabulary
Humberside Police
Kent Police
Lancashire Constabulary
Leicestershire Constabulary
Lincolnshire Police
Merseyside Police
Metropolitan Police
Norfolk Constabulary
Northamptonshire Police
Northumbria Police
North Yorkshire Police
Nottinghamshire Police
South Yorkshire Police
Staffordshire Police
Suffolk Constabulary
Surrey Police
Sussex Police
Thames Valley Police
Warwickshire Police
West Mercia Police
West Midlands Police
West Yorkshire Police
Wiltshire Police
Dyfed-Powys Police
Gwent Police
North Wales Police
South Wales Police
Police Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
Civil Nuclear Constabulary
Ministry of Defence Police
British Transport Police
National Crime Agency
National Wildlife Crime Unit
National Counter Terrorism Security Office
Vehicle Crime Intelligence Service
Border Force
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs
Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency
Driver and Vehicle Agency
Independent Police Complaints Commission
National Police Air Service
Security Service
Serious Fraud Office
Health and Safety Executive
Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland
Belfast Harbour Police
Larne Harbour Police
Port of Bristol Police
Port of Felixstowe Police
Port of Portland Police
Falmouth Docks Police
Port of Dover Police
Port of Liverpool Police
Port of Tilbury Police
Tees and Hartlepool Port Authority Harbour Police
Epping Forest Keepers
Kew Constabulary
Parks Police Service
Hillingdon Parks Patrol Service
Hampstead Heath Constabulary
Belfast International Airport Constabulary
Cambridge University Constabulary
Mersey Tunnels Police
Northern Ireland Security Guard Service
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Isle of Man Constabulary
Isle of Man Airport Police
States of Jersey Police
States of Jersey Customs and Immigration Service
Honorary Police
States of Guernsey Police Service and
Guernsey Border Agency

Go tell that to tEH CUNOTERHORSE MELANOMA

[New Zepuha]

"and the ANG went to Ainin."

Wut

You took over after a while IIRC or did that go to someone else... I can't remember who exactly I appointed.

Aurentina had a Game Warden Service.

[Intermountain States]

"and the ANG went to Ainin."

Wut

You took over after a while IIRC or did that go to someone else... I can't remember who exactly I appointed.

Aurentina had a Game Warden Service.

You did appointed me for ANG which I did reluctantly and then you gave it to someone else

[New Zepuha]

You took over after a while IIRC or did that go to someone else... I can't remember who exactly I appointed.

Aurentina had a Game Warden Service.

You did appointed me for ANG which I did reluctantly and then you gave it to someone else

I gave it to one of the American players, the Korean guy right?