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Kraciva
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Postby Kraciva » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:34 pm

I love the World State idea :D

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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:36 pm

Kraciva wrote:I love the World State idea :D

Danke. I can start drafting up a basic back-story if you want.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:37 pm

Persivis wrote:
Kraciva wrote:I love the World State idea :D

Danke. I can start drafting up a basic back-story if you want.

Go ahead! Maybe we can get this started.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:38 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:Danke. I can start drafting up a basic back-story if you want.

Go ahead! Maybe we can get this started.

Will make.I'll try to get it up in the Lobby within the next hour.
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The New World Oceania
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Postby The New World Oceania » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:16 pm

Finium wrote:I think folks are headed over the house of cards rp, it's a but simpler than making a new nation

Yeah, I had the same fear upon merely seeing how quickly it grew.

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The Union of the West wrote:Future Tech for the win!

Indeed.

Does anyone else support this World State idea?


I'll be damned, I was so close on the brink of starting a party I coined "The Idealists" a while ago, and their whole platform was based on a World State.

If we go through with it, you bet your ass it'd better be Huxleyan.

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The Union of the West wrote:You mean like the WA :P

I mean like the real UN. You know, people representing X country.

Or we could create a world-state that has a parliament.Would be a lot cooler than Baltonia.


I like the UN idea. If we do that, take into account my earlier suggestions:

The New World Oceania wrote:
Unicario wrote:This could evolve into a massive RP group, too, ya know. Nations cooperating at a UN-equivalent, you know?


I can't even tell you how many times I've tried Model UN RPs in P2TM. Not ever a response. If someone managed to get something as big as the NSG Senate going with purely a UN/foreign relations aspect, I'd join like hell, but it's highly unlikely (this is getting too long) because it would really demand attention: every committee would need a different thread to keep track of things, plus there wouldn't the IC out-of-session aspect since it's not one country, even trying to roleplay relationships between delegates would be tough since it's not like people get shipped to the UN for a few month long summer camp, crisis committees would end up being the most fun we'd have, not to mention it'd be an administrative nightmare. Case in point, NS MUN would be cool but implausible.

The New World Oceania wrote:At least it needs more elements.
UN committees, but it's also in the future, where the USSR didn't just collapse but got a bit smaller, and the EU is really asinine, DPRK has bombed the shit of South Korea, the Confederates won the US Civil War, and the SC conducts international criminal trials. Plus, Baltonia and Aurentina have representatives present.

That would be a roleplay.


And if interested in some organizational concept of how I tried doing threads in the past with the idea.
NSUN would be a thriller. Lots of committees and branches of the UN, so there'd be a whole lot of room for roleplay. This could be an issue if there aren't enough interested players, though, like anything. Multiple characters might even have to be encouraged.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:19 pm

The Senate goes through periods of inactivity; it's only normal, and especially after a large event, in this case the coup. It should only be concerning when it lasts for a month, and we're not even at a week yet.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:23 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:The Senate goes through periods of inactivity; it's only normal, and especially after a large event, in this case the coup. It should only be concerning when it lasts for a month, and we're not even at a week yet.


But what about Huxley?....

That brings up another idea. All kinds of literary NSG Senates. A World State, for Huxley, then we do Orwell's Oceania, and then a Shakespearean one in Verona, an Ancient Roman one for Caesar, one in the woods to pay our respects to Thoreau, a Lord of the Flies, and firm throwback to Homer...

Edit: also, I saved the maps.

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Edit 2: I'll make those bigger later.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:25 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:I'll be damned, I was so close on the brink of starting a party I coined "The Idealists" a while ago, and their whole platform was based on a World State.

If we go through with it, you bet your ass it'd better be Huxleyan.

That would be fairly hard to RP with :P

The New World Oceania wrote:
I like the UN idea. If we do that, take into account my earlier suggestions:


Of course. I feel setting up a UN would be a lot easier than a World State, since that requires a lot of fanciful construction as to how the hell it came to be.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:26 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:The Senate goes through periods of inactivity; it's only normal, and especially after a large event, in this case the coup. It should only be concerning when it lasts for a month, and we're not even at a week yet.

It's never really been as active as the NSG Senate. I mean, I was there at the beginning, and it just exploded in energy.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:34 pm

Persivis wrote:
The New World Oceania wrote:I'll be damned, I was so close on the brink of starting a party I coined "The Idealists" a while ago, and their whole platform was based on a World State.

If we go through with it, you bet your ass it'd better be Huxleyan.

That would be fairly hard to RP with :P

The New World Oceania wrote:
I like the UN idea. If we do that, take into account my earlier suggestions:


Of course. I feel setting up a UN would be a lot easier than a World State, since that requires a lot of fanciful construction as to how the hell it came to be.

Third World War, after it settles down, Nations agree that the only way to have peace is through a World State. BOOM! Backstory.
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Postby The New World Oceania » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:41 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:That would be fairly hard to RP with :P



Of course. I feel setting up a UN would be a lot easier than a World State, since that requires a lot of fanciful construction as to how the hell it came to be.

Third World War, after it settles down, Nations agree that the only way to have peace is through a World State. BOOM! Backstory.


I veto. Not enough crucifixion of Henry Ford on the Model T.
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Alsafyr Njil, Minister of Justice
Vienna Eliot et. al, Poets
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Clint Webb, Member of the Seima
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:43 pm

The New World Oceania wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Third World War, after it settles down, Nations agree that the only way to have peace is through a World State. BOOM! Backstory.


I veto. Not enough crucifixion of Henry Ford on the Model T.

Lolwut?
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:46 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:That would be fairly hard to RP with :P



Of course. I feel setting up a UN would be a lot easier than a World State, since that requires a lot of fanciful construction as to how the hell it came to be.

Third World War, after it settles down, Nations agree that the only way to have peace is through a World State. BOOM! Backstory.

I am trying to find a plausible reason why nukes didn't fly.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:46 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
The New World Oceania wrote:
I veto. Not enough crucifixion of Henry Ford on the Model T.

Lolwut?

Brave New World reference.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:47 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Third World War, after it settles down, Nations agree that the only way to have peace is through a World State. BOOM! Backstory.

I am trying to find a plausible reason why nukes didn't fly.

The United Nations stopped it, consolidated power, and formed the World State, preventing nation-states from nuking each other.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:55 pm

I would like the new senate to take place in Germany.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:57 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:I am trying to find a plausible reason why nukes didn't fly.

The United Nations stopped it, consolidated power, and formed the World State, preventing nation-states from nuking each other.

The UN is made up of said nation states. It has no political power of its own. If it told a country about to use nukes to stop, the country would just tell the UN to go ahead and try.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:59 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:The United Nations stopped it, consolidated power, and formed the World State, preventing nation-states from nuking each other.

The UN is made up of said nation states. It has no political power of its own. If it told a country about to use nukes to stop, the country would just tell the UN to go ahead and try.

Good point. Maybe Mutually Assured Destruction prevents the use of nukes.
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Postby Kraciva » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:03 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:I am trying to find a plausible reason why nukes didn't fly.

The United Nations stopped it, consolidated power, and formed the World State, preventing nation-states from nuking each other.

I like that.

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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:03 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:The UN is made up of said nation states. It has no political power of its own. If it told a country about to use nukes to stop, the country would just tell the UN to go ahead and try.

Good point. Maybe Mutually Assured Destruction prevents the use of nukes.

A country that is about to lose will be destroyed anyway, so they have no reason not to fire other than humanitarian reasons.

The US and USSR both planned on using nukes within minutes of WW3 breaking out.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:08 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Good point. Maybe Mutually Assured Destruction prevents the use of nukes.

A country that is about to lose will be destroyed anyway, so they have no reason not to fire other than humanitarian reasons.

The US and USSR both planned on using nukes within minutes of WW3 breaking out.

What if neither country is about to lose when the World State forms.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:09 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:A country that is about to lose will be destroyed anyway, so they have no reason not to fire other than humanitarian reasons.

The US and USSR both planned on using nukes within minutes of WW3 breaking out.

What if neither country is about to lose when the World State forms.

At that point mutual hatred would be so strong there is o way the winner could convince the other of joining up with them.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:12 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:What if neither country is about to lose when the World State forms.

At that point mutual hatred would be so strong there is o way the winner could convince the other of joining up with them.

So the winner uses the World State to finish off the other nation.
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Postby Persivis » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:20 pm

The Union of the West wrote:
Persivis wrote:At that point mutual hatred would be so strong there is o way the winner could convince the other of joining up with them.

So the winner uses the World State to finish off the other nation.

Then we circle back to the original problem...nukes.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:21 pm

Persivis wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:So the winner uses the World State to finish off the other nation.

Then we circle back to the original problem...nukes.

Nukes can be used as long as nukes don't destroy the entire world.
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