NSG Senate General Discussion Thread (Former Lobby)

[Sebastianbourg]

So, is this going to be a national legislature or an international organ?

[NSG Senate Administrators]

National legislature. - Ainin

[Beta Test]

National legislature. - Ainin

New flag I see.

[The New World Oceania]

National legislature. - Ainin

New flag I see.

With a very NS-esque font.

[Ainin]

It is the NS font. I grabbed it from the forum's CSS style sheet.

EDIT: Lucida Grande on Mac and Trebuchet MS on Windows, in case you were wondering. I used Trebuchet because fuck Mac.

[The Nihilistic view]

Out of interest, why? Shouldn't new people get a choice in the RP we make?

We have no way of enforcing that everyone who votes will join the RP, so we may end up with a decision that is not the will of the majority. Once we are into decisions on IC factors, they're generally less important and we're more likely to have people carry over into being active in the RP.

So open up an applications thread and make it clear that if people join now they will be able to help make decisions.

[Maklohi Vai]

We have no way of enforcing that everyone who votes will join the RP, so we may end up with a decision that is not the will of the majority. Once we are into decisions on IC factors, they're generally less important and we're more likely to have people carry over into being active in the RP.

So open up an applications thread and make it clear that if people join now they will be able to help make decisions.

Signing up is no guarantee of participating. I'll open one after a couple more votes on basic structure.

[Ainin]

MV: I don't know the timetable you wanted to roll with for the structure votes, so I didn't open the second vote when I closed the first. Not sure if you want a debate period between votes.

[The Liberated Territories]

It was 24 hours of voting, 12 hours of debate iirc (average)

[The New World Oceania]

It was 24 hours of voting, 12 hours of debate iirc (average)

Don't the first two votes receive 48 hours for voting?
Also, 8 hours for discussion is what we received in the first proposition.

[Planita]

So... I just joined and I need some help, is there a political party I can join? I'm a democratic socialist by the way

[Intermountain States]

So... I just joined and I need some help, is there a political party I can join? I'm a democratic socialist by the way

We're in a overhaul reboot mode right now

[Ravenflight]

If NSG restarts will 10 still be a party minimum?

[The Nihilistic view]

If NSG restarts will 10 still be a party minimum?

Only to be an official party. There never was an absolute minimum.

[Ravenflight]

If NSG restarts will 10 still be a party minimum?

Only to be an official party. There never was an absolute minimum.

Alright. TY

[Britanno]

I didn't really get the 10-man rule. Why is it needed?

[Glasgia]

I didn't really get the 10-man rule. Why is it needed?

To stop people spamming parties - It encourages there to be fewer parties, as people are both less likely to attempt to start their own and less likely to join an unofficial party, which allows for more inter-party politics and just makes things a bit neater.

[The Liberated Territories]

Indeed. I think part of Kalengia's drawbacks was the fact that we went down to 5 people only needed for a party. So we had like 3 or 4 different social democrat parties.

[Ravenflight]

Its just idk if I can muster 10 people to our ranks but I think the ideas I want to input are original. Its kinda like the Green Party in the UK

[Britanno]

I fail to see how being an unofficial party made any difference. People still joined them. The only way you can realistically do it is by having a required amount of members to be a party at all, which probably isn't very popular.

[Great Nepal]

I fail to see how being an unofficial party made any difference. People still joined them. The only way you can realistically do it is by having a required amount of members to be a party at all, which probably isn't very popular.

Or we implement the weighed vote system discussed few pages back; that provides incentive to be in an official party, discourages fracture and most importantly encourages internal party politics.

[Ravenflight]

I fail to see how being an unofficial party made any difference. People still joined them. The only way you can realistically do it is by having a required amount of members to be a party at all, which probably isn't very popular.

Or we implement the weighed vote system discussed few pages back; that provides incentive to be in an official party, discourages fracture and most importantly encourages internal party politics.

Mmmh. I can't get behind that. I like the idea of lots of parties working together to form a majority.

[The New World Oceania]

I fail to see how being an unofficial party made any difference. People still joined them. The only way you can realistically do it is by having a required amount of members to be a party at all, which probably isn't very popular.

Or we implement the weighed vote system discussed few pages back; that provides incentive to be in an official party, discourages fracture and most importantly encourages internal party politics.

The weighed vote gives voters from larger parties a heavier vote, correct?

[Great Nepal]

Or we implement the weighed vote system discussed few pages back; that provides incentive to be in an official party, discourages fracture and most importantly encourages internal party politics.

Mmmh. I can't get behind that. I like the idea of lots of parties working together to form a majority.

This doesn't necessarily take away from that: given quite large collection of ideologies it would be virtually impossible for single party to gain majority in senate mandating coalitions. What it will probably do is change 4 centre parties to one centre party with four groups fighting for influence within the party.

Or we implement the weighed vote system discussed few pages back; that provides incentive to be in an official party, discourages fracture and most importantly encourages internal party politics.

The weighed vote gives voters from larger parties a heavier vote, correct?

That would depend upon mechanism for election but weighted vote gives lighter vote to parties created between elections (so splinters etc). But I think elections would also favour larger parties since larger the party, more publicized and more resourceful it is...

[Ravenflight]

Which could if we're not careful lead to a 2 or 3 party system where only they can win and independence/Minor parties will never win unless they move to join a larger one.