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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:52 am

The world state is going to kill the RP for good.
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Postby CTALNH » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:29 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The world state is going to kill the RP for good.

No I am rather certain the admins of the Senate have already done that.
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Postby The Union of the West » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:35 am

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:The world state is going to kill the RP for good.

Elaborate.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:52 am

I don't think we can say Aurentina failed. Sure, we never got our subforum, but we kept it going for over a year and likely had over 200 threads. We probably had a grand total of over 500 people who participated as senators at some point during the life of the RP.

Most RPs of this type need reboots. Very few even last close to a year without one. The reboots usually feature a beginning situation that is different enough from that of the previous incarnation to keep people interested, but not different enough to turn the group's RPers off to continuing on with the reboot.

Aurentina was a great success, but you still can't expect it to last forever. We should be proud of what we accomplished.
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Postby Britanno » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:36 am

New Bierstaat wrote:I don't think we can say Aurentina failed. Sure, we never got our subforum, but we kept it going for over a year and likely had over 200 threads. We probably had a grand total of over 500 people who participated as senators at some point during the life of the RP.

Most RPs of this type need reboots. Very few even last close to a year without one. The reboots usually feature a beginning situation that is different enough from that of the previous incarnation to keep people interested, but not different enough to turn the group's RPers off to continuing on with the reboot.

Aurentina was a great success, but you still can't expect it to last forever. We should be proud of what we accomplished.

It had been failing since late 2013, but nobody did much about it because we thought we'd get a subforum if we could last a year. When we didn't even make a bid for one because the mods had unofficially said no, everybody just have up basically.
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Postby Unicario » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:19 am

The Database got purged.
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:41 am

Unicario wrote:The Database got purged.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls.

The NSG Senate was a noble experiment and we did some great things. But I think it is time to just lay it to rest and be happy with what we did.
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Postby Unicario » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:45 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Unicario wrote:The Database got purged.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls.

The NSG Senate was a noble experiment and we did some great things. But I think it is time to just lay it to rest and be happy with what we did.


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Postby Britanno » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:52 am

New Zepuha wrote:The NSG Senate was a noble experiment and we did some great things. But I think it is time to just lay it to rest and be happy with what we did.

Agreed. Death with dignity.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:06 am

Britanno wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:I don't think we can say Aurentina failed. Sure, we never got our subforum, but we kept it going for over a year and likely had over 200 threads. We probably had a grand total of over 500 people who participated as senators at some point during the life of the RP.

Most RPs of this type need reboots. Very few even last close to a year without one. The reboots usually feature a beginning situation that is different enough from that of the previous incarnation to keep people interested, but not different enough to turn the group's RPers off to continuing on with the reboot.

Aurentina was a great success, but you still can't expect it to last forever. We should be proud of what we accomplished.

It had been failing since late 2013, but nobody did much about it because we thought we'd get a subforum if we could last a year. When we didn't even make a bid for one because the mods had unofficially said no, everybody just have up basically.

I really thought activity levels were fine during my first term as president, but they really tanked during my second term.

We wouldn't have really made good use of a subforum anyway, given how few people were actively engaged in the Senate by April.

I'll definitely miss being a politician if we do decide to just let it die, but I probably won't get involved in another RP on another site with another set of rules and an established community. I just don't have the energy to start from the bottom again.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:30 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
Britanno wrote:It had been failing since late 2013, but nobody did much about it because we thought we'd get a subforum if we could last a year. When we didn't even make a bid for one because the mods had unofficially said no, everybody just have up basically.

I really thought activity levels were fine during my first term as president, but they really tanked during my second term.

We wouldn't have really made good use of a subforum anyway, given how few people were actively engaged in the Senate by April.

I'll definitely miss being a politician if we do decide to just let it die, but I probably won't get involved in another RP on another site with another set of rules and an established community. I just don't have the energy to start from the bottom again.

We're not going to let it die right now. The decline we've experienced with Baltonia was not dissimilar to what happened with Aurentina, it just happened sooner in the nation's history and more abruptly. We can definitely come up with new ideas, or at least keep brainstorming for a while. Declaring it dead right here, right now, today, only makes sense if you've given up on the RP anyway. And there are people who haven't. If it turns out that we have to kill it at some point, we're going to go with dignity and with commemoration.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:28 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:I really thought activity levels were fine during my first term as president, but they really tanked during my second term.

We wouldn't have really made good use of a subforum anyway, given how few people were actively engaged in the Senate by April.

I'll definitely miss being a politician if we do decide to just let it die, but I probably won't get involved in another RP on another site with another set of rules and an established community. I just don't have the energy to start from the bottom again.

We're not going to let it die right now. The decline we've experienced with Baltonia was not dissimilar to what happened with Aurentina, it just happened sooner in the nation's history and more abruptly. We can definitely come up with new ideas, or at least keep brainstorming for a while. Declaring it dead right here, right now, today, only makes sense if you've given up on the RP anyway. And there are people who haven't. If it turns out that we have to kill it at some point, we're going to go with dignity and with commemoration.

I can agree with this. But the end, if it comes, should include us all heading to Aurentina Arms for one last drink.
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Postby Arkolon » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:30 pm

Well, RIP, eh?
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Postby Britanno » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:31 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:We're not going to let it die right now. The decline we've experienced with Baltonia was not dissimilar to what happened with Aurentina, it just happened sooner in the nation's history and more abruptly. We can definitely come up with new ideas, or at least keep brainstorming for a while. Declaring it dead right here, right now, today, only makes sense if you've given up on the RP anyway. And there are people who haven't. If it turns out that we have to kill it at some point, we're going to go with dignity and with commemoration.

Strangling the senate to its last breath would not be a dignified way to go out.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:48 pm

Too soon!

New Zepuha wrote:
Unicario wrote:The Database got purged.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls.

The NSG Senate was a noble experiment and we did some great things. But I think it is time to just lay it to rest and be happy with what we did.


Like I am saying, eventually somewhere down along the road enough people will get together and want to restart the senate, but until then, RIP. Otherwise I am sure there are other things that would be fun to engage in that doesn't take up half of forum 7, know what I mean? ;)

All the admins have to do is just ignore the senate. That's it. Except for a few people, it'll collapse upon itself.

Next time however, I want an Aurentina in the north sea. :|
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Postby Beta Test » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:20 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
Unicario wrote:The Database got purged.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls.

The NSG Senate was a noble experiment and we did some great things. But I think it is time to just lay it to rest and be happy with what we did.

You know, this is really the right answer.
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Postby Britanno » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:48 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:We're not going to let it die right now. The decline we've experienced with Baltonia was not dissimilar to what happened with Aurentina, it just happened sooner in the nation's history and more abruptly. We can definitely come up with new ideas, or at least keep brainstorming for a while. Declaring it dead right here, right now, today, only makes sense if you've given up on the RP anyway. And there are people who haven't. If it turns out that we have to kill it at some point, we're going to go with dignity and with commemoration.

If it's not dead, then it's certainly dying. Like TLT said, let's have a break for a few months and then come back and create a new senate.
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Postby Ainin » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:49 pm

I'm inclined to agree with pretty much everything Brit's said on this page.
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:49 pm

Britanno wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:We're not going to let it die right now. The decline we've experienced with Baltonia was not dissimilar to what happened with Aurentina, it just happened sooner in the nation's history and more abruptly. We can definitely come up with new ideas, or at least keep brainstorming for a while. Declaring it dead right here, right now, today, only makes sense if you've given up on the RP anyway. And there are people who haven't. If it turns out that we have to kill it at some point, we're going to go with dignity and with commemoration.

If it's not dead, then it's certainly dying. Like TLT said, let's have a break for a few months and then come back and create a new senate.

Like a congressional recess.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Britanno wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:We're not going to let it die right now. The decline we've experienced with Baltonia was not dissimilar to what happened with Aurentina, it just happened sooner in the nation's history and more abruptly. We can definitely come up with new ideas, or at least keep brainstorming for a while. Declaring it dead right here, right now, today, only makes sense if you've given up on the RP anyway. And there are people who haven't. If it turns out that we have to kill it at some point, we're going to go with dignity and with commemoration.

If it's not dead, then it's certainly dying. Like TLT said, let's have a break for a few months and then come back and create a new senate.

I strongly dislike this answer, but it seems like even the most active people are being defeatist, and if they don't stick around, there's not much to do. I'm not an idiot, and so I'm inclined to agree to a degree.

Baltonia is on life support. We don't need to bother too much with trying to revive it in particular, but we shouldn't ignore an organic surge if that does indeed happen. What we can do is talk and brainstorm, and there's no point in stopping that activity. In terms of getting a full RP up again, yes, we'll be taking a break. A few months might be a bit long, it may not.

As for death with dignity, we can start to apply that to Baltonia now. We can even go back to commemorating Aurentina if we wish. But this roleplay as a concept, and as something to flourish again, is not dead.
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:12 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Britanno wrote:If it's not dead, then it's certainly dying. Like TLT said, let's have a break for a few months and then come back and create a new senate.

I strongly dislike this answer, but it seems like even the most active people are being defeatist, and if they don't stick around, there's not much to do. I'm not an idiot, and so I'm inclined to agree to a degree.

Baltonia is on life support. We don't need to bother too much with trying to revive it in particular, but we shouldn't ignore an organic surge if that does indeed happen. What we can do is talk and brainstorm, and there's no point in stopping that activity. In terms of getting a full RP up again, yes, we'll be taking a break. A few months might be a bit long, it may not.

As for death with dignity, we can start to apply that to Baltonia now. We can even go back to commemorating Aurentina if we wish. But this roleplay as a concept, and as something to flourish again, is not dead.

I would like to see a restart in Aurentina.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:27 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:I strongly dislike this answer, but it seems like even the most active people are being defeatist, and if they don't stick around, there's not much to do. I'm not an idiot, and so I'm inclined to agree to a degree.

Baltonia is on life support. We don't need to bother too much with trying to revive it in particular, but we shouldn't ignore an organic surge if that does indeed happen. What we can do is talk and brainstorm, and there's no point in stopping that activity. In terms of getting a full RP up again, yes, we'll be taking a break. A few months might be a bit long, it may not.

As for death with dignity, we can start to apply that to Baltonia now. We can even go back to commemorating Aurentina if we wish. But this roleplay as a concept, and as something to flourish again, is not dead.

I would like to see a restart in Aurentina.

Thanks for commenting. Do you have a particular reason why, or some backing you'd care to provide?
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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:33 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:I would like to see a restart in Aurentina.

Thanks for commenting. Do you have a particular reason why, or some backing you'd care to provide?

Aurentina is a Germanic nation. I can portray the new Nazis easily.
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:36 pm

I'd like to see a return there because more was possible and gave those of us who wanted to RP the chance to express the woes of the people better. We could RP the effects of legislation and it was easy for corruption to seep in.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:44 pm

Russian Socialist Soviet States wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Thanks for commenting. Do you have a particular reason why, or some backing you'd care to provide?

Aurentina is a Germanic nation. I can portray the new Nazis easily.

You probably wouldn't be able to do so easily. An interesting idea to expand nonetheless.

New Zepuha wrote:I'd like to see a return there because more was possible and gave those of us who wanted to RP the chance to express the woes of the people better. We could RP the effects of legislation and it was easy for corruption to seep in.
A bit more of the legislative effects and process, then. Good point, thanks.
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