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[New Corenea]

I'm not a huge fan of welfare, I believe that welfare just keep the poor at the poor instead of raising them up.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I'm not a huge fan of welfare, I believe that welfare just keep the poor at the poor instead of raising them up.

I somewhat agree. I think there should be welfare, but I think it should have a process to getting it. As of right now, it is easier to get welfare than a job; it should be the other way around. When a person receives welfare, the respective authorities should make sure that that person really needs it, because I have seen a lot of people who abuse the welfare system too much.

[Battlion]

I'm not a huge fan of welfare, I believe that welfare just keep the poor at the poor instead of raising them up.

I somewhat agree. I think there should be welfare, but I think it should have a process to getting it. As of right now, it is easier to get welfare than a job; it should be the other way around. When a person receives welfare, the respective authorities should make sure that that person really needs it, because I have seen a lot of people who abuse the welfare system too much.

Contributory welfare changes this, you literally get out what you put in. If you put in more you get more, this is fair and allows those who don't put things into the system to get enough they need but encourages working at the same time as obviously you can still be welfare and have a job such as most parents who receive child benefit despite working.

I don't agree we shouldn't have Welfare, it's important we have some sort of net. Contributory Welfare is a radical idea and is used in so many countries that it'd be something that we can look at and see if we can improve.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I somewhat agree. I think there should be welfare, but I think it should have a process to getting it. As of right now, it is easier to get welfare than a job; it should be the other way around. When a person receives welfare, the respective authorities should make sure that that person really needs it, because I have seen a lot of people who abuse the welfare system too much.

Contributory welfare changes this, you literally get out what you put in. If you put in more you get more, this is fair and allows those who don't put things into the system to get enough they need but encourages working at the same time as obviously you can still be welfare and have a job such as most parents who receive child benefit despite working.

I don't agree we shouldn't have Welfare, it's important we have some sort of net. Contributory Welfare is a radical idea and is used in so many countries that it'd be something that we can look at and see if we can improve.

I never really said that we shouldn't have welfare. I do agree with your view

[Battlion]

Contributory welfare changes this, you literally get out what you put in. If you put in more you get more, this is fair and allows those who don't put things into the system to get enough they need but encourages working at the same time as obviously you can still be welfare and have a job such as most parents who receive child benefit despite working.

I don't agree we shouldn't have Welfare, it's important we have some sort of net. Contributory Welfare is a radical idea and is used in so many countries that it'd be something that we can look at and see if we can improve.

I never really said that we shouldn't have welfare. I do agree with your view

I was sort of addressing New Corena as well but I was aiming to answer the abuse point

Did you read the demos publication?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I never really said that we shouldn't have welfare. I do agree with your view

I was sort of addressing New Corena as well but I was aiming to answer the abuse point

Did you read the demos publication?

When I said "abuse" I meant abuse. Nothing else. Truth of the fact is that our welfare system is being abused; but I referred to our current welfare system, not the one you are proposing

[Battlion]

I was sort of addressing New Corena as well but I was aiming to answer the abuse point

Did you read the demos publication?

When I said "abuse" I meant abuse. Nothing else. Truth of the fact is that our welfare system is being abused; but I referred to our current welfare system, not the one you are proposing

Oh good

So, what are your opinions on the proposed contributory system?

Another idea I believe we could look at is the idea of Prepaid cards, the money from benefits put into one card and once the money Is gone it is gone. It would also allow local authorities to see where the money is being spent and whether it is being spent on necessity's and not things like drugs or other illegal products.

This could save a lot of administrative cost and move the whole system onto online for one, they put an end to the paper-based auditing system associated with personal budgets.

Users have their personal budgets loaded on to a card, which they use like a debit card to purchase the services and items outlined in their care plan. Local authorities can see what's being spent in real time – checking to see that a person's spending matches their care plan, blocking it if financial abuse is suspected or if it gets lost or stolen, or investigating if a person isn't spending at all.

[New Corenea]

Oh yeah, I decided to form a faction within the party that values centre-right ideologies (mainly conservatism and libertarianism). I call this faction the Whigs.

[Battlion]

Oh yeah, I decided to form a faction within the party that values centre-right ideologies (mainly conservatism and libertarianism). I call this faction the Whigs.

Feel free, it'd be a good idea actually

Any contributions on other proposals put forward?

I think we need to be forward thinking, this party has the right mix of people to do that and we should go for it whilst other parties are keen to stick to their ideology and follow it faithlessly regardless of context.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Oh yeah, I decided to form a faction within the party that values centre-right ideologies (mainly conservatism and libertarianism). I call this faction the Whigs.

[The National Liberal Party]

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[New Corenea]

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=256686

The link to the Whig Caucus

[Battlion]

Anywho, opinions on the idea of prepaid benefit cards?

Further discussion of the YAC would be welcome

[Battlion]

Another idea I believe we could look at is the idea of Prepaid cards, the money from benefits put into one card and once the money Is gone it is gone. It would also allow local authorities to see where the money is being spent and whether it is being spent on necessity's and not things like drugs or other illegal products.

This could save a lot of administrative cost and move the whole system onto online for one, they put an end to the paper-based auditing system associated with personal budgets.

Users have their personal budgets loaded on to a card, which they use like a debit card to purchase the services and items outlined in their care plan. Local authorities can see what's being spent in real time – checking to see that a person's spending matches their care plan, blocking it if financial abuse is suspected or if it gets lost or stolen, or investigating if a person isn't spending at all.

Expanding on this, I personally believe this would be a very good idea and it is actually done in the USA to distribute food stamps and is done in many other nations.

We could also block where these cards can be used, such as gambling or for alcohol.

For example, in the US they have what is known as EBT cards (Electronic Benefit Transfer) which are government issued prepaid cards which are used in all 50 states.

A 2012 survey of EBT cards used for distributing payments discovered that of the cards surveyed...

• 100 per cent blocked EBT cards from being used in casinos
• 40 per cent blocked other types of gaming businesses, including
  poker rooms, bingo halls and horse or dog tracks
• 40 per cent blocked adult entertainment clubs, massage
  parlours, businesses that sell alcohol (night clubs, bars, saloons
  or taverns), as well as bail bondsmen and tattoo or piercing
  parlours, tobacco and cannabis shops
• 20 per cent blocked cruise ships, firearms and ammunition
  dealers, psychic readers and spas and salons

Source

I personally think this could alleviate some previous fears displayed in the Budget negotiations on Universal Credit being abused by claimants whilst also reducing the cost of the welfare system in general meaning we would be able to make further savings.

We could also make it possible for card holders to put their own money onto the cards, of course the same restrictions would still apply but it would be an alternative. This would be through paypoints in my eyes...

[The Nihilistic view]

Oh yeah, I decided to form a faction within the party that values centre-right ideologies (mainly conservatism and libertarianism). I call this faction the Whigs.

Good idea, I shall be joining the caucus.

[Battlion]

Oh yeah, I decided to form a faction within the party that values centre-right ideologies (mainly conservatism and libertarianism). I call this faction the Whigs.

Good idea, I shall be joining the caucus.

Opinion on the above proposal?

[The Nihilistic view]

Good idea, I shall be joining the caucus.

Opinion on the above proposal?

Yes a very good proposal, It is the sort of Idea I have been wishing was used in the UK in RL for about the last 5 years.

[Battlion]

Opinion on the above proposal?

Yes a very good proposal, It is the sort of Idea I have been wishing was used in the UK in RL for about the last 5 years.

It is used in the UK, in some areas

I've been doing research!

[New Corenea]

Hmmm, I don't know where to stand. It seems to give more data power to the government

[Seitonjin]

Hmmm, I don't know where to stand. It seems to give more data power to the government

Abstain all save for the one with the whip. It says vote 'aye' for one of them.

Or you could read each one and formulate your conclusions.

[Seitonjin]

Do we have ambassadors to other parties?

[Lamaredia]

Do we have ambassadors to other parties?

I don't think so.

[Seitonjin]

Do we have ambassadors to other parties?

I don't think so.

*puppy eyes*

We don't?

[Lamaredia]

I don't think so.

*puppy eyes*

We don't?

I haven't heard of it from Battlion, so I'm guessing not.

[Seitonjin]

*puppy eyes*

We don't?

I haven't heard of it from Battlion, so I'm guessing not.

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