The National Liberal Party HQ [NSG Senate]

[Seitonjin]

Wait for other party members first. Poll maybe?

Anyways. I don't really like the idea of using coal as a primary export. After all, coal is not the cleanest source of energy on my mind. Wouldn't that go against our environmental playform all together? This surplus needed ensure that the citizens get improved lives seems to require of continous exports of materials that can cause the degradation of the environment. Of course there should be other ways of implementing this to an extent along side a income tax for safe measure. But the long term effects of this policy and the finite amout of resources able to be exported is bugging me and may cause some qualms with other members.

I like the idea of an income tax in that it has worked in other places and works to this very day. I just have disapproval of extremely high corporate and sales taxes.

It's not an export, that isn't what we're suggesting.

What the dividend would do is that land where coal is located needs to be mined by business correct? The government owns that land, the government would lease or charge rent on that land which the business pays. This can be done all around the country, that money is then applied to the previously mentioned formula and each citizen of the nation that meets the criteria receives an equal payment.

Nuclear energy cannot apply to this, it is merely land resources or land in general.

Singapore is a prime example of somewhere that could benefit from it if there was a dividend on land as for previously mentioned reasons.

Okay I misinterpreted it as exporting things-that-harm-environment.

*bangs head on wall*

I like Singapore's model. Can we use that and Alaska as examples?

[Battlion]

It's not an export, that isn't what we're suggesting.

What the dividend would do is that land where coal is located needs to be mined by business correct? The government owns that land, the government would lease or charge rent on that land which the business pays. This can be done all around the country, that money is then applied to the previously mentioned formula and each citizen of the nation that meets the criteria receives an equal payment.

Nuclear energy cannot apply to this, it is merely land resources or land in general.

Singapore is a prime example of somewhere that could benefit from it if there was a dividend on land as for previously mentioned reasons.

Okay I misinterpreted it as exporting things-that-harm-environment.

*bangs head on wall*

I like Singapore's model. Can we use that and Alaska as examples?

We can't use Singapore's model because Singapore doesn't actually do this policy, it's just somewhere that really should because of land values. The key point of this policy is that ideally it should be done whilst a nation is young, this is the right time to do it and I am confident that senators from all sides can support reducing the tax burden, increasing income equality, attracting investment from business and boosting our economy.

[Seitonjin]

Okay I misinterpreted it as exporting things-that-harm-environment.

*bangs head on wall*

I like Singapore's model. Can we use that and Alaska as examples?

We can't use Singapore's model because Singapore doesn't actually do this policy, it's just somewhere that really should because of land values. The key point of this policy is that ideally it should be done whilst a nation is young, this is the right time to do it and I am confident that senators from all sides can support reducing the tax burden, increasing income equality, attracting investment from business and boosting our economy.

Good. I likesssss.

I need lunch. I is hungry. Bai bais~

[New Corenea]

Hmm, this can benefit businesses and this can abolish income taxes. That sounds good but is there any bad things about it?

[Holyhex]

I have an announcement to make. I am resigning as your Deputy Chairman. This is because I am not the most active member of the party or the senate and I believe that position should be held by someone who is more active. I will continue to represent this party and stay as a member of the senate.

Thank you.

[Battlion]

Hmm, this can benefit businesses and this can abolish income taxes. That sounds good but is there any bad things about it?

The only bad thing I see is that if a country has a bad economic situation the dividend will almost certainly go down, although it does pick up upon recovery. But then again, this gives a reason for the public to keep an eye on us... they physically lose money.

I have an announcement to make. I am resigning as your Deputy Chairman. This is because I am not the most active member of the party or the senate and I believe that position should be held by someone who is more active. I will continue to represent this party and stay as a member of the senate.

Thank you.

I accept this resignation and I'm glad you're staying, I shall not be appointing straight away I shall be looking at every option and every candidate before I make any decision. This will not be on length of being a member but on activity and someone I feel has leadership qualities.

[Battlion]

Also, regarding our youth policy I feel we need to open up new opportunities to young people in a new way...

Hereby I propose the Young Aurentine Card, this would be modelled of the Young Scot Card which is a electronic smart card distributed to all 11-26 year olds for free. It is achieved by multiple areas of the community combining ideas to provide new opportunities to young citizens and I wish to replicate this in Aurentina.

I propose that we make it the responsibility of schools to issue this Young Aurentine Cards, ensuring the government only produces them, to every eleven year old and to have a renewal every four years to ensure the ID Photo is correct and that it there is the correct information in place. This card could also be used as a form of identification for other activities that require a certain age or for purchasing products that require the buyer to be a certain age, this will ensure that every citizen up until 26 has some identification.

This card could also be used as proof of identity for opening bank accounts, thus opening further access to the banking industry and ensuring that every citizen has the opportunity to do so. I further propose that this card be used to assist our young people in critical times of education (16,17 and 18) or for any volunteers carrying a YAC under the age of 26 to have discounted travel, and in some situations even the entitlement to free travel either by rail or by bus.

On a local scale this card could also be used for the more local services, such as discounted prices at swimming pools, discounted library membership or even instant recognition. However it does open an opportunity to schools, these cards could be used as a form of introduction for Cashless Catering in schools with all holders of the YNC being guaranteed free meals, of course if a school already doesn't charge this could simply be used as an identification system.

Now, this YAC provides great benefits but what of those that break the law? Should they lose their YAC?

I believe that they should, if the prosecution if of a serious offence and/or receives any sentence greater than one year in prison.

[Brissia]

Change the age of receiving from 11 to 13. Most children the age of 11 mainly rely on parental guidance for purchases and what-not.

[Battlion]

Change the age of receiving from 11 to 13. Most children the age of 11 mainly rely on parental guidance for purchases and what-not.

I can agree with this, however the idea of the card is to give young people a bit more independence and responsibility and I'd like to see them getting this as early as possible as reasonably as possible. Parental guidance on purchases is fine but it is the 11 year old that actually purchases them, now something I wish to completely maintain is that these cards remain free to receive. Replacements of outdated card must be free, the only time I'd ever consider agreeing with their being a charge would be if the card was lost and a new one was needed then I think a small charge could be justified.

[The Nihilistic view]

Change the age of receiving from 11 to 13. Most children the age of 11 mainly rely on parental guidance for purchases and what-not.

I can agree with this, however the idea of the card is to give young people a bit more independence and responsibility and I'd like to see them getting this as early as possible as reasonably as possible. Parental guidance on purchases is fine but it is the 11 year old that actually purchases them, now something I wish to completely maintain is that these cards remain free to receive. Replacements of outdated card must be free, the only time I'd ever consider agreeing with their being a charge would be if the card was lost and a new one was needed then I think a small charge could be justified.

Is this not an extra level of identification that will not be needed? We will have driving licenses, passports and birth certificates.

[Battlion]

I can agree with this, however the idea of the card is to give young people a bit more independence and responsibility and I'd like to see them getting this as early as possible as reasonably as possible. Parental guidance on purchases is fine but it is the 11 year old that actually purchases them, now something I wish to completely maintain is that these cards remain free to receive. Replacements of outdated card must be free, the only time I'd ever consider agreeing with their being a charge would be if the card was lost and a new one was needed then I think a small charge could be justified.

Is this not an extra level of identification that will not be needed? We will have driving licenses, passports and birth certificates.

No, it's an alternative for our young people that has proven to work well in other places that I don't think we should pass up.

13 year olds can't have driving licenses and I doubt their parents will give them their passports and birth certificates, the primary focus isn't the identification it's the discounts it brings for young people ushering in young people to spend in our economy and providing them new opportunities.

I should have additionally mentioned the scheme would also aim at allowing young people to get discounts in retail outlets that agree to the scheme.

[Brissia]

Change the age of receiving from 11 to 13. Most children the age of 11 mainly rely on parental guidance for purchases and what-not.

I can agree with this, however the idea of the card is to give young people a bit more independence and responsibility and I'd like to see them getting this as early as possible as reasonably as possible. Parental guidance on purchases is fine but it is the 11 year old that actually purchases them, now something I wish to completely maintain is that these cards remain free to receive. Replacements of outdated card must be free, the only time I'd ever consider agreeing with their being a charge would be if the card was lost and a new one was needed then I think a small charge could be justified.

OK, going to have to agree with you there. Couple more questions, and then I gotta go.

1. You say the cards will be distributed by schools. What about all children not receiving an education, or being home-schooled?

2. Instead of revoking the card in the case of illegal activities, why not include an individuals criminal record in the 'information packet' present on the card? Much easier, if you ask me.

3. How much information is actually recorded onto this card?

4. Who will have the right to see this information, and how much of it?

Also, I see pro-private-rights activists shunning this idea.

[Battlion]

I can agree with this, however the idea of the card is to give young people a bit more independence and responsibility and I'd like to see them getting this as early as possible as reasonably as possible. Parental guidance on purchases is fine but it is the 11 year old that actually purchases them, now something I wish to completely maintain is that these cards remain free to receive. Replacements of outdated card must be free, the only time I'd ever consider agreeing with their being a charge would be if the card was lost and a new one was needed then I think a small charge could be justified.

OK, going to have to agree with you there. Couple more questions, and then I gotta go.

1. You say the cards will be distributed by schools. What about all children not receiving an education, or being home-schooled?

2. Instead of revoking the card in the case of illegal activities, why not include an individuals criminal record in the 'information packet' present on the card? Much easier, if you ask me.

3. How much information is actually recorded onto this card?

4. Who will have the right to see this information, and how much of it?

Also, I see pro-private-rights activists shunning this idea.

1) Simple application form at Local Authority
2) Explain further please
3) Name, Date of Birth, ID Photo and a Unique Identification number for the card
4) Only those with access to the Central Database which would be the Ministry of Education in my view, it would be illegal to distribute young peoples information from this Database without court warrant.

currently used in Scotland


As you can see, very basic.

It's the hologram that is important

[The Nihilistic view]

Is this not an extra level of identification that will not be needed? We will have driving licenses, passports and birth certificates.

No, it's an alternative for our young people that has proven to work well in other places that I don't think we should pass up.

13 year olds can't have driving licenses and I doubt their parents will give them their passports and birth certificates, the primary focus isn't the identification it's the discounts it brings for young people ushering in young people to spend in our economy and providing them new opportunities.

I should have additionally mentioned the scheme would also aim at allowing young people to get discounts in retail outlets that agree to the scheme.

Oh, Like an NUS card. I get it.

[Brissia]

No, it's an alternative for our young people that has proven to work well in other places that I don't think we should pass up.

13 year olds can't have driving licenses and I doubt their parents will give them their passports and birth certificates, the primary focus isn't the identification it's the discounts it brings for young people ushering in young people to spend in our economy and providing them new opportunities.

I should have additionally mentioned the scheme would also aim at allowing young people to get discounts in retail outlets that agree to the scheme.

Oh, Like an NUS card. I get it.

Same. I thought it was more digital...anyway, all questions denounced.

[Battlion]

No, it's an alternative for our young people that has proven to work well in other places that I don't think we should pass up.

13 year olds can't have driving licenses and I doubt their parents will give them their passports and birth certificates, the primary focus isn't the identification it's the discounts it brings for young people ushering in young people to spend in our economy and providing them new opportunities.

I should have additionally mentioned the scheme would also aim at allowing young people to get discounts in retail outlets that agree to the scheme.

Oh, Like an NUS card. I get it.

Like an NUS card, but goes further in means of what you can do with it

It's like a Citizenship card for young people I guess

[Lamaredia]

It seems like an interesting idea. I would propose that you actually write a draft for this so that it can be voted on in the senate.

[Battlion]

It seems like an interesting idea. I would propose that you actually write a draft for this so that it can be voted on in the senate.

I will begin doing so for both the Citizens Dividend and Young Aurentine Card

[Lamaredia]

It seems like an interesting idea. I would propose that you actually write a draft for this so that it can be voted on in the senate.

I will begin doing so for both the Citizens Dividend and Young Aurentine Card

Citizens Dividend? I must have missed that! Can you direct me to the post with information about it?

[Battlion]

I will begin doing so for both the Citizens Dividend and Young Aurentine Card

Citizens Dividend? I must have missed that! Can you direct me to the post with information about it?

The last few pages, trust me just go back and read them

Very long to explain

[The Nihilistic view]

Right now where were we?

[Battlion]

Right now where were we?

The YAC and retailers I believe I think the government could offer incentives for retailers to offer discounts to YAC holders?

Also, seeing your post in the LDP I have added you into the party list

Welcome to the National Liberal Party! Signature is in the OP etc

[The Nihilistic view]

Right now where were we?

The YAC and retailers I believe I think the government could offer incentives for retailers to offer discounts to YAC holders?

Also, seeing your post in the LDP I have added you into the party list

Welcome to the National Liberal Party! Signature is in the OP etc

Wait a min, Just remembered I was going to write a draft of part of the possible bill for the dividend. Better go do that before I forget again.

[Battlion]

The YAC and retailers I believe I think the government could offer incentives for retailers to offer discounts to YAC holders?

Also, seeing your post in the LDP I have added you into the party list

Welcome to the National Liberal Party! Signature is in the OP etc

Wait a min, Just remembered I was going to write a draft of part of the possible bill for the dividend. Better go do that before I forget again.

Feel free

I'll begin writing the full thing once I see it

[Battlion]

Regarding Welfare, if people could read this publication by DEMOS regarding Contributory Welfare... Now whilst this applied to the UK I personally think it is something that Aurentina should consider adopting.

Allows people to get what they put into the system but ensuring that everyone can receive welfare if they require it but giving more to those that have paid into the system.