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Postby Ainin » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:40 am

The Treorai wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Second.

Wait no! Not the Miniluv! No! NO! NOOOOOooooooo!

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Postby Fulflood » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:41 am

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Postby Yanalia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:42 am

Geilinor wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:I request we fire Krenim weapon on senator Yanalia.

I suggest that we fire an ignore cannon on Senators Yanalia and Great Nepal.


Seconded, if you're talking about that series of jokes.
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Postby Ainin » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:42 am

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Welsh Cowboy wrote:I move to omnibus the Corps Creation Charter and the Military Discipline and Structure Act.

Second.

Third.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:42 am

Ainin wrote:
Fulflood wrote:Second.

Third.

Fourth.
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Postby Yanalia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:43 am

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:Third.

Fourth.


Fifth.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:43 am

Yanalia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Fourth.


Fifth.

Sixth + admin approval.
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Postby The Treorai » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:45 am

Ainin wrote:
The Treorai wrote:Wait no! Not the Miniluv! No! NO! NOOOOOooooooo!

Hello, unperson. Are you feeling doubleplusgood?

Very much comerade! In fact, did you know that Newspeak will eventually eliminate all thoughtcrime? It is a very exciting development! Just recently, we have added at least 200 new words to the newspeak dictionary, and have begun working on the final stages of phasing out basic English all together!
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Postby Free South Califas » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:46 am

Ainin wrote:URL for the Executive Council Act?

Sorry I missed this. Glad you found it tho.

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Free South Califas wrote:Yeah, you know how you avoid finding out whether anyone has been traumatized and abused?

Don't make or tolerate rape jokes! I guarantee it's the best way to get that job done.


Dark humor is a thing. I don't think it should be repressed either.
I have never advocated the repression of rape-joke websites, of which this is not one.

In fact, you would be surprised the kind of websites I visit. Healing for me has involved some very dark humor. I'm actually an extreme Internet free speech advocate. If you happen to see the Internet Freedom Act you'll notice that my sponsorship is missing because the current language doesn't restrain the government enough or protect free speech or association well enough. I want really dark humor, among many other things, to have a place on the Internet.

Just don't come to my party thread and harass me for having PTSD. That's a rather different story and breaks a number of key parts of the agreement we all make to be here. To tell you the truth, though, I'm also perplexed that the focus has been on Nihl. I just thought I had to live with the flagrant violations.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:50 am

Free South Califas wrote:
Ainin wrote:URL for the Executive Council Act?

Sorry I missed this. Glad you found it tho.

Chetssaland wrote:
Dark humor is a thing. I don't think it should be repressed either.
I have never advocated the repression of rape-joke websites, of which this is not one.

In fact, you would be surprised the kind of websites I visit. Healing for me has involved some very dark humor. I'm actually an extreme Internet free speech advocate. If you happen to see the Internet Freedom Act you'll notice that my sponsorship is missing because the current language doesn't restrain the government enough or protect free speech or association well enough. I want really dark humor, among many other things, to have a place on the Internet.
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OOC: This is the Internet, so the only reason we should be suppressing something is if it violates site rules or if it isn't appropriate for the RP. In this case, I'm not sure. Politicians flame and slander the other side all the time, so this is relatively minor in comparison.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:51 am

The Treorai wrote:
Ainin wrote:Hello, unperson. Are you feeling doubleplusgood?

Very much comerade! In fact, did you know that Newspeak will eventually eliminate all thoughtcrime? It is a very exciting development! Just recently, we have added at least 200 new words to the newspeak dictionary, and have begun working on the final stages of phasing out basic English all together!

Did you know that by 2050, even the proles will speak Newspeak? And did you know, that in Newspeak's final eventual stage, there will simply not be any space for thoughtcrime because there will not be enough words to suitably formulate thoughtcrime? Truly doubleplusgood!
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Postby Chetssaland » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:54 am

Free South Califas wrote:
Ainin wrote:URL for the Executive Council Act?

Sorry I missed this. Glad you found it tho.

Chetssaland wrote:
Dark humor is a thing. I don't think it should be repressed either.
I have never advocated the repression of rape-joke websites, of which this is not one.

In fact, you would be surprised the kind of websites I visit. Healing for me has involved some very dark humor. I'm actually an extreme Internet free speech advocate. If you happen to see the Internet Freedom Act you'll notice that my sponsorship is missing because the current language doesn't restrain the government enough or protect free speech or association well enough. I want really dark humor, among many other things, to have a place on the Internet.

Just don't come to my party thread and harass me for having PTSD. That's a rather different story and breaks a number of key parts of the agreement we all make to be here. To tell you the truth, though, I'm also perplexed that the focus has been on Nihl. I just thought I had to live with the flagrant violations.


I'm not defending that. But you implied that a joke was told without intending to offend you, after which you made your situation known. I'm defending the first joke, whatever it may have been, that was not intended to offend you.

Really, I'm making a defense of everything that offends people. Without intent, I don't understand how anything is offensive. But again^6, this doesn't belong here, especially because I'm not even defending anything specific anymore. I'm just talking about society as a whole now.

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Postby Rumostan » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:55 am

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Postby Resora » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:58 am

I move to add this to the queue (again).
Voting Reform Act

Urgency: Very High
Author: Resora (C)
Sponsors: Free South Califas (C). Jozef van Oostvoorne (C), Malgrave (USLP), Welsh Cowboy (I), Oneracon (RG), Geilinor (LD), Osea 767 (C), CTALNH (USLP), Eliasonia (NIFP)

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Recognizing the fact that abuse of certain legislative procedures has become a problem in the Senate;

Dismayed by the fact that a small minority of senators can hold the entire Senate hostage by indefinitely prolonging voting windows;

Concerned over the high potential for voter fraud made possible by "proxy" voting;

The author and sponsors of this bill move that the following be passed into law.

(a): Proxy votes are hereby declared invalid. A senator's vote can only be cast by the senator in question.

(b): Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census.

(c): Any extension allowed under section (b) of this law may not exceed twenty-four (24) hours in excess of the original voting window, and no more than one extension is allowed per bill.

(d): Any motion to extend the voting window for an active bill allowed under section (b) of this law requires the support of no less than fifteen (15) senators.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:59 am

Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).
Voting Reform Act

Urgency: Very High
Author: Resora (C)
Sponsors: Free South Califas (C). Jozef van Oostvoorne (C), Malgrave (USLP), Welsh Cowboy (I), Oneracon (RG), Geilinor (LD), Osea 767 (C), CTALNH (USLP), Eliasonia (NIFP)

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Recognizing the fact that abuse of certain legislative procedures has become a problem in the Senate;

Dismayed by the fact that a small minority of senators can hold the entire Senate hostage by indefinitely prolonging voting windows;

Concerned over the high potential for voter fraud made possible by "proxy" voting;

The author and sponsors of this bill move that the following be passed into law.

(a): Proxy votes are hereby declared invalid. A senator's vote can only be cast by the senator in question.

(b): Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census.

(c): Any extension allowed under section (b) of this law may not exceed twenty-four (24) hours in excess of the original voting window, and no more than one extension is allowed per bill.

(d): Any motion to extend the voting window for an active bill allowed under section (b) of this law requires the support of no less than fifteen (15) senators.

Seconded.
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Postby Fulflood » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).

Seconded.

Third.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).
Voting Reform Act

Urgency: Very High
Author: Resora (C)
Sponsors: Free South Califas (C). Jozef van Oostvoorne (C), Malgrave (USLP), Welsh Cowboy (I), Oneracon (RG), Geilinor (LD), Osea 767 (C), CTALNH (USLP), Eliasonia (NIFP)

Description:

Recognizing the fact that abuse of certain legislative procedures has become a problem in the Senate;

Dismayed by the fact that a small minority of senators can hold the entire Senate hostage by indefinitely prolonging voting windows;

Concerned over the high potential for voter fraud made possible by "proxy" voting;

The author and sponsors of this bill move that the following be passed into law.

(a): Proxy votes are hereby declared invalid. A senator's vote can only be cast by the senator in question.

(b): Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census.

(c): Any extension allowed under section (b) of this law may not exceed twenty-four (24) hours in excess of the original voting window, and no more than one extension is allowed per bill.

(d): Any motion to extend the voting window for an active bill allowed under section (b) of this law requires the support of no less than fifteen (15) senators.

I have a question about "Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census". Less than half of registered senators are regularly active, so it would be extremely hard to extend voting time.
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Postby Fulflood » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:01 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).

I have a question about "Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census". Less than half of registered senators are regularly active, so it would be extremely hard to extend voting time.

Good point.
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Postby Yanalia » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:01 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).

I have a question about "Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census". Less than half of registered senators are regularly active, so it would be extremely hard to extend voting time.


Yes. That is the point. The vote should only be extended if for some reason lots of Senators did not have the ability to vote.
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Postby Central Africa » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:01 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).

Fourthed.
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Postby Rumostan » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).
Voting Reform Act

Urgency: Very High
Author: Resora (C)
Sponsors: Free South Califas (C). Jozef van Oostvoorne (C), Malgrave (USLP), Welsh Cowboy (I), Oneracon (RG), Geilinor (LD), Osea 767 (C), CTALNH (USLP), Eliasonia (NIFP)

Description:

Recognizing the fact that abuse of certain legislative procedures has become a problem in the Senate;

Dismayed by the fact that a small minority of senators can hold the entire Senate hostage by indefinitely prolonging voting windows;

Concerned over the high potential for voter fraud made possible by "proxy" voting;

The author and sponsors of this bill move that the following be passed into law.

(a): Proxy votes are hereby declared invalid. A senator's vote can only be cast by the senator in question.

(b): Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census.

(c): Any extension allowed under section (b) of this law may not exceed twenty-four (24) hours in excess of the original voting window, and no more than one extension is allowed per bill.

(d): Any motion to extend the voting window for an active bill allowed under section (b) of this law requires the support of no less than fifteen (15) senators.


I support this bill.
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Postby Resora » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:03 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Resora wrote:I move to add this to the queue (again).

I have a question about "Motions for the extension of voting windows are only valid if the vote has failed to meet a quorum of 25% of standing Senators by the end of the original voting window, as determined by the most recent Senate census". Less than half of registered senators are regularly active, so it would be extremely hard to extend voting time.

Correct. Under this law, extensions would only be feasibly possible if for some odd reason turnout is abnormally low. No extensions on bills that already have decent turnout.
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