NSG Senate Coffee Shop (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Denecaep]

NSG SENATE CHAMBER: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=235877

NSG SENATE CHAT ROOM: http://webchat.esper.net/?nick=&channels=NSG_Senate

NSG SENATE LOBBY: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=235732&p=13874613#p13874613

This thread is simply to discuss legislation for the NSG Senate before it is officially submitted.

Keep in mind that when you are ready to officially submit it, please have someone move to put it up for debate in the chamber thread. It will require the normal amount of motions to put it up for debate. There is no set queue.

This coffee shop also offers a useful map to all current party headquarters. While these entities are not official senate bodies, they are important to the organizational aspect of the Senate.

Progressive-Conservative Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=236887

Liberal Democratic Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=236917

Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=237575

The Red-Green Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=237300

The Classical Monarchist Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=236918

The Libertarian Freedom Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=236973

The Communist Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=236940

The National People's Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=237154

Totally Rad Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=238514

United Socialist Labor Party Headquarters: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=238137

[Regnum Dominae]

Marriage Freedom Act

Urgency: High

Drafted by: Regnum Dominae, Sibirsky, Napkiraly, Vietnam

The government of Enceladus:

For the purposes of this bill, DEFINES:
(1) "Marriage" as a contract between two or more persons of marriageable age, who have all given informed consent,
(2) "Marriageable age" as 18 years old and above, as well 16 years old and above on condition of informed consent from the legal guardians of all involved parties,
(3) "Informed consent" as acceptance of this contract out of one's own free will, free of pressure from other parties, and with knowledge of the terms of the contract,

AFFIRMS:
That the race, ethnicity, gender, and/or number of the involved parties shall not be a factor in the recognition by the government of a marriage, or of the legal benefits that are given to the persons involved in a marriage.

[Chetssaland]

I like it, but I think we should keep the benefits given to married couples to a minimum.

[Regnum Dominae]

I like it, but I think we should keep the benefits given to married couples to a minimum.

This bill doesn't say there has to be benefits.

It says:
ALL marriages must be equally recognized by the government.
IF we end up deciding to pass marriage benefits, all marriages should receive those benefits equally.

[Polvia]

I like it, but I think we should keep the benefits given to married couples to a minimum.

Agreed. It should not be an incentive to marry, but an assurance that those who do marry are not discriminated against. Other than this I agree with and would support this bill in a vote.

EDIT: Okay then this has my support.

[Aeken]

I like it, but I think we should keep the benefits given to married couples to a minimum.

This bill doesn't say there has to be benefits.

It says:
ALL marriages must be equally recognized by the government.
IF we end up deciding to pass marriage benefits, all marriages should receive those benefits equally.

I think it is good then.

[Gaveo]

I like it, but I think we should keep the benefits given to married couples to a minimum.

What do you mean?

[Bolaly]

I may support this.

[TaQud]

I may support this.

this.

[Aquitayne]

"two or more"? The NPP will not stand for polygamy.

On what grounds?

I need good reasons.

There are several studies that appear to support this position.

For example, women in polygamous marriages are at higher risk of low self-esteem, as well as depression, then women in non-polygamous relationships (Al-Krenawi, et al 2002; Slonim-Nevo and Al-Krenawi 2006). Other studies show that thesewomen are also enjoy less marital satisfaction and more problematic mother-childrelationships (Al-Krenawi and Slonim-Nevo 2008). In addition, further studies demonstratethat women in polygamous marriages are especially vulnerable to depression after becomingpregnant, as their husbands become more likely to turn their attention to their other wives(Fatoye, et al 2004; Ho-Yen, et al 2007). Women in polygamous marriages are typicallysubservient to their husbands who hold their wives primarily responsible for child-bearing(Gher 2008: 584). These women are often unable to exercise any control over the addition of new wives by their husbands, contributing to feelings of powerlessness and emotional abuse(Cook 2007; Hassouneh-Phillips 2001). Women may also lack control over their ability toseek employment, as several studies have found that only a small fraction of women inpolygamous marriages work outside the home (Al-Krenawi 2000; Elbedour, et al 2002: 257;Peterson 1999).

Furthermore, women in polygamous marriages have also been found to be at a greaterrisk of sexual diseases, including AIDS. For example, one study of 1,153 Nigerian men andwomen found that not only were men with three or more wives more likely to engage inextramarital sex and were at greater risk of contracting sexual diseases and infecting their wives than men with one or two wives. Thus, women were at greater risk from men withthree or more wives both as their wives and as extramarital sexual partners than from menwith one or two wives (Mitsunaga, et al 2005). [sic]

(Thom Brooks, The Problem With Polygamy. Academia. Web. 12 April 2013).

I believe that it is detrimental to the family's overall health, and that of their children and grandchildren, to be involved in a polygamous marriage.

The NPP will not support this bill unless the availability of polygamous marriage is removed.

[Chetssaland]

I like it, but I think we should keep the benefits given to married couples to a minimum.

This bill doesn't say there has to be benefits.

It says:
ALL marriages must be equally recognized by the government.
IF we end up deciding to pass marriage benefits, all marriages should receive those benefits equally.

Makes sense. In that case, I put my support behind it.

[Regnum Dominae]

On what grounds?

I need good reasons.

There are several studies that appear to support this position.

For example, women in polygamous marriages are at higher risk of low self-esteem, as well as depression, then women in non-polygamous relationships (Al-Krenawi, et al 2002; Slonim-Nevo and Al-Krenawi 2006). Other studies show that thesewomen are also enjoy less marital satisfaction and more problematic mother-childrelationships (Al-Krenawi and Slonim-Nevo 2008). In addition, further studies demonstratethat women in polygamous marriages are especially vulnerable to depression after becomingpregnant, as their husbands become more likely to turn their attention to their other wives(Fatoye, et al 2004; Ho-Yen, et al 2007). Women in polygamous marriages are typicallysubservient to their husbands who hold their wives primarily responsible for child-bearing(Gher 2008: 584). These women are often unable to exercise any control over the addition of new wives by their husbands, contributing to feelings of powerlessness and emotional abuse(Cook 2007; Hassouneh-Phillips 2001). Women may also lack control over their ability toseek employment, as several studies have found that only a small fraction of women inpolygamous marriages work outside the home (Al-Krenawi 2000; Elbedour, et al 2002: 257;Peterson 1999).

Furthermore, women in polygamous marriages have also been found to be at a greaterrisk of sexual diseases, including AIDS. For example, one study of 1,153 Nigerian men andwomen found that not only were men with three or more wives more likely to engage inextramarital sex and were at greater risk of contracting sexual diseases and infecting their wives than men with one or two wives. Thus, women were at greater risk from men withthree or more wives both as their wives and as extramarital sexual partners than from menwith one or two wives (Mitsunaga, et al 2005).

(Thom Brooks, The Problem With Polygamy. Academia. Web. 12 April 2013).

I believe that it is detrimental to the family's overall health, and that of their children and grandchildren, to be involved in a polygamous marriage.

The NPP will not support this bill unless the availability of polygamous marriage is removed.

Even if these studies are accurate, which I doubt, the involved parties all will have given informed consent. No one outside the marriage would be negatively affected, so unless you want to legislate morality there's no real reason to be opposed to polygamous marriage.

[Aquitayne]

Even if these studies are accurate, which I doubt, the involved parties all will have given informed consent. No one outside the marriage would be negatively affected, so unless you want to legislate morality there's no real reason to be opposed to polygamous marriage.

That is not necessarily the case.

Moreover, children from polygamous marriages are at a greater risk of both behavioural anddevelopmental problems (Elbedour, et al 2003). There is also some evidence that youngwomen from polygamous families perform less well in school than those in monogamousfamilies (Elbedour, et al 2000). In addition, the Utah Supreme Court has recently stated thatpolygamy ‘often coincides with crimes targeting women and children[, including] incest,sexual assault, statutory rape, and failure to pay child support’ (Strasser 2008: 88-9).

(Thom Brooks, The Problem With Polygamy. Academia. Web. 12 April 2013).

I'm citing this article so much because I believe its points are valid and accurate. The health of children cannot be ignored. We cannot allow the people of our nation to be subjected to emotional and possible health problems because of this type of marriage. These children can become irritable towards others due to their at-home environment, as many children do, and release anger on fellow students or peers.

[Chetssaland]

On what grounds?

I need good reasons.

There are several studies that appear to support this position.

For example, women in polygamous marriages are at higher risk of low self-esteem, as well as depression, then women in non-polygamous relationships (Al-Krenawi, et al 2002; Slonim-Nevo and Al-Krenawi 2006). Other studies show that thesewomen are also enjoy less marital satisfaction and more problematic mother-childrelationships (Al-Krenawi and Slonim-Nevo 2008). In addition, further studies demonstratethat women in polygamous marriages are especially vulnerable to depression after becomingpregnant, as their husbands become more likely to turn their attention to their other wives(Fatoye, et al 2004; Ho-Yen, et al 2007). Women in polygamous marriages are typicallysubservient to their husbands who hold their wives primarily responsible for child-bearing(Gher 2008: 584). These women are often unable to exercise any control over the addition of new wives by their husbands, contributing to feelings of powerlessness and emotional abuse(Cook 2007; Hassouneh-Phillips 2001). Women may also lack control over their ability toseek employment, as several studies have found that only a small fraction of women inpolygamous marriages work outside the home (Al-Krenawi 2000; Elbedour, et al 2002: 257;Peterson 1999).

Furthermore, women in polygamous marriages have also been found to be at a greaterrisk of sexual diseases, including AIDS. For example, one study of 1,153 Nigerian men andwomen found that not only were men with three or more wives more likely to engage inextramarital sex and were at greater risk of contracting sexual diseases and infecting their wives than men with one or two wives. Thus, women were at greater risk from men withthree or more wives both as their wives and as extramarital sexual partners than from menwith one or two wives (Mitsunaga, et al 2005). [sic]

(Thom Brooks, The Problem With Polygamy. Academia. Web. 12 April 2013).

I believe that it is detrimental to the family's overall health, and that of their children and grandchildren, to be involved in a polygamous marriage.

The NPP will not support this bill unless the availability of polygamous marriage is removed.

There are many situations in which a child will be born into a less than ideal situation. That does not mean we can legislate who can and can't have kids.

Furthermore, the "family's overall health" is a subjective term, and has no place in defining laws.

[Regnum Dominae]

Marriage Freedom Act submitted.

[Technopolis]

(Thom Brooks, The Problem With Polygamy. Academia. Web. 12 April 2013).

I believe that it is detrimental to the family's overall health, and that of their children and grandchildren, to be involved in a polygamous marriage.

The NPP will not support this bill unless the availability of polygamous marriage is removed.

Even if these studies are accurate, which I doubt, the involved parties all will have given informed consent. No one outside the marriage would be negatively affected, so unless you want to legislate morality there's no real reason to be opposed to polygamous marriage.

Also, polygamy isn't the only form of nonmonogamous relationship. In this case, they have studied the strictly one man multiple woman system found in religious sects of less developed countries which is not representative of modern polyamory.

[Othelos]

This bill doesn't say there has to be benefits.

It says:
ALL marriages must be equally recognized by the government.
IF we end up deciding to pass marriage benefits, all marriages should receive those benefits equally.

Makes sense. In that case, I put my support behind it.

I do, as well.

[Gaveo]

Okay, look at this.

PROPSAL II DRAFT PART 1
TAXES

Authored by: Gaveo (LFP), Othelos (LFP), and Zweite Alaje (LA)

Urgency: High

Income Tax:
Low Income annually: 5%
Income 30k+ annually: 13%
Income 50k + annually: 20.5%

Excise Tax: 1% on all goods

Property Tax: 1%

An inheritance tax and a tariff on imported goods is hereby outlawed.

[Regnum Dominae]

Okay, look at this.

PROPSAL II DRAFT PART 1
TAXES

Authored by: Gaveo (LFP), Othelos (LFP), and Zweite Alaje (LA)

Urgency: High

Income Tax:
Low Income annually: 5%
Income 30k+ annually: 13%
Income 50k + annually: 20.5%

Excise Tax: 1% on all goods

Property Tax: 1%

An inheritance tax and a tariff on imported goods is hereby outlawed.

I'd like lower, but even this will be tough to get through a liberal-dominated Senate. Support.

[Aquitayne]

Okay, look at this.

PROPSAL II DRAFT PART 1
TAXES

Authored by: Gaveo (LFP), Othelos (LFP), and Zweite Alaje (LA)

Urgency: High

Income Tax:
Low Income annually: 5%
Income 30k+ annually: 13%
Income 50k + annually: 20.5%

Excise Tax: 1% on all goods

Property Tax: 1%

An inheritance tax and a tariff on imported goods is hereby outlawed.

As I said in the general thread, I'd like to see a 1% trade tariff on imports added to the bill. This will give the nation a sizable alternative source of income in between tax periods and allows potential tax drops for the tax payers in the future.

[Regnum Dominae]

Okay, look at this.

PROPSAL II DRAFT PART 1
TAXES

Authored by: Gaveo (LFP), Othelos (LFP), and Zweite Alaje (LA)

Urgency: High

Income Tax:
Low Income annually: 5%
Income 30k+ annually: 13%
Income 50k + annually: 20.5%

Excise Tax: 1% on all goods

Property Tax: 1%

An inheritance tax and a tariff on imported goods is hereby outlawed.

As I said in the general thread, I'd like to see a 1% trade tariff on imports added to the bill. This will give the nation a sizable alternative source of income in between tax periods and allows potential tax drops for the tax payers in the future.

Oppose, as I support free international trade.

[Gaveo]

Okay, look at this.

PROPSAL II DRAFT PART 1
TAXES

Authored by: Gaveo (LFP), Othelos (LFP), and Zweite Alaje (LA)

Urgency: High

Income Tax:
Low Income annually: 5%
Income 30k+ annually: 13%
Income 50k + annually: 20.5%

Excise Tax: 1% on all goods

Property Tax: 1%

An inheritance tax and a tariff on imported goods is hereby outlawed.

I'd like lower, but even this will be tough to get through a liberal-dominated Senate. Support.

Same.

[Othelos]

Okay, look at this.

PROPSAL II DRAFT PART 1
TAXES

Authored by: Gaveo (LFP), Othelos (LFP), and Zweite Alaje (LA)

Urgency: High

Income Tax:
Low Income annually: 5%
Income 30k+ annually: 13%
Income 50k + annually: 20.5%

Excise Tax: 1% on all goods

Property Tax: 1%

An inheritance tax and a tariff on imported goods is hereby outlawed.

As I said in the general thread, I'd like to see a 1% trade tariff on imports added to the bill. This will give the nation a sizable alternative source of income in between tax periods and allows potential tax drops for the tax payers in the future.

Meh, I'd rather not interfere with the economy.

[Regnum Dominae]

As I said in the general thread, I'd like to see a 1% trade tariff on imports added to the bill. This will give the nation a sizable alternative source of income in between tax periods and allows potential tax drops for the tax payers in the future.

Fine, fine. 1% is okay.

I oppose tariffs.

[Othelos]

Fine, fine. 1% is okay.

I oppose tariffs.

Dang, you caught my comment before I could finish editing it