NSG Senate (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Ceannairceach]

And I find the cross pattern to be unrepresentative of this nation.

Senator, quite a few senators have already voiced support for the naval ensign. And to be frank, it is just a geometrical figure of two bars. I find it ridiculous that we can't display a cross on our naval ensign because of political correctness; it's not even a Christian cross as the vertical bar is centered!

Please cite support directed specifically towards the naval ensign, Senator, for I have not seen it.

I do not ask it to be changed because of political correctiveness; I ask it to be changed because it has nothing to do with this nation. And a Christian cross does not need to be made in any specific way; Specifically, the cross presented is that of St. George.

[Hippostania]

Please cite support directed specifically towards the naval ensign, Senator, for I have not seen it.

I do not ask it to be changed because of political correctiveness; I ask it to be changed because it has nothing to do with this nation. And a Christian cross does not need to be made in any specific way; Specifically, the cross presented is that of St. George.

Support for the flags was clearly expressed a dozen pages ago.

And what do you mean a cross doesn't symbolize our history? So far, we don't even have an official history.

[Ceannairceach]

Please cite support directed specifically towards the naval ensign, Senator, for I have not seen it.

I do not ask it to be changed because of political correctiveness; I ask it to be changed because it has nothing to do with this nation. And a Christian cross does not need to be made in any specific way; Specifically, the cross presented is that of St. George.

Support for the flags was clearly expressed a dozen pages ago.

And what do you mean a cross doesn't symbolize our history? So far, we don't even have an official history.

The flags, plural. No support was shown, specifically, for that naval ensign.

Precisely. Thus, a cross does not symbolize it. Nor does it have anything to do with the navy, for that matter.

[Great Nepal]

I must ask, what does flags have to do with senatorial limitation act?

[Trotskylvania]

Having been fifthed, the National Security Act is lodged in queue:

National Security Act
Urgency: Paramount | Sponsor: Trotskylvania

Findings and Policies

§ 1: As a fledgling nation, Aurentina has faced problems with national identity. With a divided electorate, and a number of legitimate concerns arising over the growth of partisan and other militias in the country, it is paramount that as part of organizing a government, the security of the people of the nation is protected.

While external threats have been minimal, and as of yet there is no evidence to suggest that the various militias intend an armed putsch against the government, their existence highlights another problem. Presently, law enforcement and security are the responsibility of local communities. Local police are increasingly inadequate in a highly mobile, globalized society.

Establishment of executive authority

§ 2: (a) A Ministry of Justice shall be established, under the aegis of the Council of Ministers, headed by a Minister of Justice.
(1) This act shall not abridge the right of local communities to establish their own police forces; However:
(2) The Ministry of Justice shall be responsible for implementing national policy regarding criminal justice (including but not limited to prosecution, public defense, incarceration, and rehabilitation), and regulating the conduct of both the National Police Force as established under Section 3, and the various local police forces.
(3) The Ministry of Justice shall be responsible for regulating the conduct of partisan militias according to law enacted by the Senate.

(b) A Ministry of Defense shall be established, under the aegis of the Council of Ministers, headed by a Minister of Defense.
(1) Nothing in this authorization shall be understood to conflict with the prerogative, established under the Republican Executive Act, of the President to act as commander-in-chief of the nation's armed forces.
(2) The Ministry of Defense shall be responsible for implementing defense policy regarding the uniformed armed forces established under Section 4, as enacted by the Council of Ministers.

National Police

§ 3: (a) The National Police Force [NPF] shall be established to protect against breaches of the peace, protect public safety and enforce criminal law.
(1) The NPF shall be governed by a Public Safety Commission appointed by the Ministry of Justice.
(2) Hiring for the NPF shall be conducted by a non-partisan Civil Service Commission, hereby established by this act as an independent government agency under the supervision of the Council of Ministers and the Senate.

(b) This act authorizes NPF to have universal jurisdiction over the entire nation, as well as any embassies established on foreign soil. As per this law, local police forces are required to cooperate with the NPF, and all matters that involve multiple local jurisdictions shall be the primary responsibility of the NPF.

National Defense Force

§ 4: (a) The National Defense Force (NDF) shall be established to protect against foreign invasion and insurrection.
(1) The NDF shall be divided into an Army, Navy, and Air Force.
(2) The NDF shall be an all volunteer military, and no provision of this act shall allow conscription except during times of war. Conscription may only be authorized by Senate resolution during times when a state of war has been declared.
(3) The NDF shall not be used for domestic law enforcement except upon the declaration of a national state of emergency by the Senate.
(4) NDF personnel shall not be quartered in private homes without the consent of the occupants.
(5) The NDF is presently authorized to hold a maximum strength of 200,000 uniformed officers and enlisted persons.

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tl;dr : Something more important than whether or not we have private militias.

Please resume debate on the Senatorial Limitations Act.

[Aeken]

I move to re-resubmit the Senatorial Limitation Act in the Coffee Shop until the Senate finally comes to an agreement when a capacity limit should be implemented.

[The Treorai]

I move to re-resubmit the Senatorial Limitation Act in the Coffee Shop until the Senate finally comes to an agreement when a capacity limit should be implemented.

Seconded.

[Demphor]

I move to re-resubmit the Senatorial Limitation Act in the Coffee Shop until the Senate finally comes to an agreement when a capacity limit should be implemented.

Seconded.

I oppose, the threat of parliamentary groups and the security of the country is far more serious then the Senatorial Limitation Act.

[Maklohi Vai]

I move to re-resubmit the Senatorial Limitation Act in the Coffee Shop until the Senate finally comes to an agreement when a capacity limit should be implemented.

Seconded.

Thirded

[Aeken]

Seconded.

I oppose, the threat of parliamentary groups and the security of the country is far more serious then the Senatorial Limitation Act.

I'm saying kick it out of the queue to move in the other bills, because at this time, when the Senate is young and still growing, the capacity will have to flux until it reaches a balance.

[Demphor]

I oppose, the threat of parliamentary groups and the security of the country is far more serious then the Senatorial Limitation Act.

I'm saying kick it out of the queue to move in the other bills, because at this time, when the Senate is young and still growing, the capacity will have to flux until it reaches a balance.

Then never mind,
Fourthed

[Saliu]

Well the senate has really mucked this up! I'd like to propose Take IV.

I KNOW IT MAY SEEM STUPID BUT:

It means that we can have the limit of senators that we want but also means we don't eject people who are already senators for being 'over the limit'.

Ahhhhhh...perfect harmony!

Senatorial Limitation Act, Take IV

Section 1: Definitions
Senator - an official member of the NSG Senate who has applied and has been approved
first-come, first-served basis - the first applicant who applies after a Senator's removal to be accepted shall take the place of said former Senator

Section 2: Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to promote stability and efficiency within the Senate and to prevent turmoil.

Section 3: Provisions
A. The number of official senators shall not exceed 100*.

i. No senator that is already appointed shall be dismissed on the grounds of being over the senatorial limit.

B. If any Senator is unable to carry out his or her duties due to ejection from the Senate or any other reason provided by the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I, a new Senator shall take his/her place by first-come, first-served basis, provided the ejected Senator does not follow the procedure outlined in subsection C within fifteen (15) days of ejection.

C. Any Senator who has been ejected for the first time shall be given a period of fifteen (15) days to complete point i of the following, and he/she must then follow the remaining steps:

i. Re- apply for a Senatorial seat

ii. Be re- accepted into the NSG Senate

iii. Actively participate in Senate proceedings as defined the in the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I.

D. Any Senator who has been readmitted into the Senate via the steps outlined in section 3, subsection C, points i and ii but who does not follow point iii shall again face ejection, and should said Senator be again ejected, he/she is forever banned from re- applying to the NSG Senate.

*Change to whatever you want. The ideal number.

We really should have enacted a provisional limit from the start...but oh-well!

[Geilinor]

Please cite support directed specifically towards the naval ensign, Senator, for I have not seen it.

I do not ask it to be changed because of political correctiveness; I ask it to be changed because it has nothing to do with this nation. And a Christian cross does not need to be made in any specific way; Specifically, the cross presented is that of St. George.

Support for the flags was clearly expressed a dozen pages ago.

And what do you mean a cross doesn't symbolize our history? So far, we don't even have an official history.

We must vote on the flags. Simply expressing support means nothing.

[Grenartia]

Do you think it would be possible to include the implementation of a national bird in this bill? If so, I would recommend the tit:

Also, a national name and capital.

And a definition of our territory, and cultural heritage.

In my history chapter, a while back in the organisation thread, I called the nation a a name given by the romans (greek in brackets): Aurentina (Arentinous) and the capital Aurentina Marrittima (Aurentinos Thallassios).

Not to mention my map proposal that I originally made for a puppet of mine but that could still be used for Aurentina.

I do not support Senator Glasgia's proposed history of Auretina.

I would also prefer if the map used standard American English characters, so as to be more accessible to typing out for those of us whose keyboards don't support accent marks and other symbols.

Would also be nice if there were a continental landmass...

You mean a swallowtailed flag with a red block in the hoist? I personally find it to be much less unique than the cross-pattern that I proposed.

And I find the cross pattern to be unrepresentative of this nation.

I find it hard to determine what is and what is not unrepresentative of this nation when we don't know what exactly our cultural heritage is.

[The Treorai]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

[Hathradic States]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

Seconded.

[Imperiatom]

But nooo, I thought that National Symbols Act was next:

National Symbols Act

Urgency: High
Drafted by: Hippostania (Ind.)

RECOGNIZING the need for distinctive national flag and national coat of arms, in addition to distinctive ensigns to be used at sea and various other flags of lesser importance.
FORMALIZING the following symbols as the official national symbols:

NATIONAL AND CIVIL FLAG shall be a horizontal tricolor of black, white and blue.
STATE FLAG shall be a horizontal tricolor of black, white and blue charged with the lesser coat of arms moved 1/3 towards the hoist.
WAR FLAG shall be a red field with the state flag in the canton, charged with two crossed swords.

CIVIL ENSIGN shall be a swallowtailed horizontal tricolor of black, white and blue.
STATE ENSIGN shall be a swallowtailed horizontal tricolor of black, white and blue charged with the lesser coat of arms moved 1/3 towards the hoist.
NAVAL ENSIGN shall be a white field with a red cross, with the state flag in the canton.

NAVAL JACK shall be a square-shaped, with the lesser coat of arms charged on a blue field, fimbriated by white and black outlines.
STANDARD OF THE HEAD OF STATE shall be a stylized heraldic banner of the lesser coat of arms.
STANDARD OF THE HEAD OF GOVERNMENT shall be a blue field charged with the greater coat of arms fimbriated with white.

LESSER COAT OF ARMS shall consist of a blue shield with a white star, surrounded by twenty smaller stars in the top, with bottom-left side consisting of a red field with a white hammer, and bottom-right side consisting of a black field with a white laurel leaf.
GREATER COAT OF ARMS shall in addition to the above include a mural crown on top of the shield, two national flags in supporters, flanked by two laurel leaves and with the motto "Democratia, Sensibilitate, Libertas" in the compartment

Attachment:

Do you think it would be possible to include the implementation of a national bird in this bill? If so, I would recommend the tit:

Ah good. Something i can shoot.

[Beta Test]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

I second this motion. This proposal is vital to our nation's future as it ensures the basic rights of our citizens are guaranteed.

[Shrillland]

I third the motion.

[Demphor]

Fifth (we have 5 now)

[The Treorai]

So let debate on the Limiting Legislation Act begin.

In defense of clause 8 defining basic human rights, I made it vague to allow legislation as to what exactly these "Reasonable Restrictions" are in the future. I just put it there to make sure people will have the right to have firearms.

[Maklohi Vai]

Senators, voting cannot begin now, as there is a queue for bills to be debated. We are currently debating the limitation act, I believe.

[Beta Test]

Senators, voting cannot begin now, as there is a queue for bills to be debated. We are currently debating the limitation act, I believe.

Yes, we are.

[Othelos]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

You should add freedom from censorship of the internet.

[Grenartia]

Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: Utmost

Drafted By: The Treorai
Sponsor(s): Imperiatom, Hathradic States, Beta Test.

BELIEVING That in a democratic society, Basic Human Rights should be defended,
APPALLED At the fact that some politicians would seek to violate the basic human rights of the citizens of our nation,
DEFINES A "Citizen" as any registered member of our nation.
FURTHER DEFINES Basic Human Rights As;
(1) The right for all born humans to live,
(2) The right to free speech,
(3) The right to free thought,
(4) The right to actively participate in government
(5) The right to free expression through writing, drawing, assembly, and press,
(6) The right to a jury of peers in a justice system to be created by the senate,
(7) Freedom of and from Religion,
(8) The right to own firearms and ammunition, subject to reasonable restrictions for public safety,
FURTHER BELIEVES That the Senate has no place violating these aforementioned rights of our citizens,
PREVENTS Legislation suppressing the speech, thought, and general expression of citizens,
DICTATES No Person is above the law, and all people must adhere to it,
FURTHER DICTATES Thoughts and speech harmful, or seditious in nature are not protected by this act,
ALSO DEFINES "Harmful or Seditious in nature" as slander, personal information not belonging to they who utter the information, sensitive information, open threats against another person, and threats of open rebellion, or terrorism against our nation.
ALSO DICTATES This act does not protect those using other people's work without permission of the owner,
ESTABLISHES This as the official Bill of Rights of our Nation.

I would also like to move to debate this Act immediately, as our government lacks a bill of rights, and it should be our highest priority to insure the freedom of our citizens.

Opposed on the grounds that the freedom of expression clause is too specific, and not vague enough.