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Postby Aeken » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:16 pm

New Freedomstan wrote:
The Treorai wrote:Senator, You are out of line. As per the Ethics Act of 2013, slandering fellow senators is illegal, and you just called all those in support of this bill "Pig-Dog Imperialists".

I retract the 'pig-dog' statement, but as there are parties here in this very senate who uphold imperialism, and parties who uphold the bourgeois to be not a slur, those slurs are in fact not slurs when directed at them.

I am no imperialist, so do not address me as one. I just am rather disappointed that I feel I was supporting this bill, and now may not.

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Postby Vazdania » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:16 pm

New Freedomstan wrote:
The Treorai wrote:Senator, You are out of line. As per the Ethics Act of 2013, slandering fellow senators is illegal, and you just called all those in support of this bill "Pig-Dog Imperialists".

I retract the 'pig-dog' statement, but as there are parties here in this very senate who uphold imperialism, and parties who uphold the bourgeois to be not a slur, those slurs are in fact not slurs when directed at them.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:19 pm

We should have both a cap on the quantity of senators and a time limit. When a seat opens a new applicant can fill the vacancy.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:22 pm

Aeken wrote:
New Freedomstan wrote:I retract the 'pig-dog' statement, but as there are parties here in this very senate who uphold imperialism, and parties who uphold the bourgeois to be not a slur, those slurs are in fact not slurs when directed at them.

I am no imperialist, so do not address me as one. I just am rather disappointed that I feel I was supporting this bill, and now may not.


Don't oppose the bill just because he supports it.
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Postby The Treorai » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:23 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Aeken wrote:I am no imperialist, so do not address me as one. I just am rather disappointed that I feel I was supporting this bill, and now may not.


Don't oppose the bill just because he supports it.

...He Doesn't Support the bill.
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Postby Aeken » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:26 pm

The Treorai wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
Don't oppose the bill just because he supports it.

...He Doesn't Support the bill.

I wasn't reacting to him, anyways. Just observing other posts, that's all.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:40 pm

250 is a remarkably high number. May I suggest that we lower the number to 200 senators? We already have 181 of them here.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:41 pm

Aeken wrote:
The Treorai wrote:...He Doesn't Support the bill.

I wasn't reacting to him, anyways. Just observing other posts, that's all.


Sorry, must have misread... his post was kind of stupid.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:42 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:250 is a remarkably high number. May I suggest that we lower the number to 200 senators? We already have 181 of them here.


We have over 200; many are not included on the list, though. The most recent count I'm aware of is 222.
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:44 pm

Been out a couple days. What Votes have I missed?
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:46 pm

The Rebel Alliances wrote:Been out a couple days. What Votes have I missed?


I think the republican/monarchy vote. The Republicans won by a landslide.
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:47 pm

I would rather Republicans. Also, did the Abortion proposals ever make it to chamber?
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:47 pm

Bleckonia wrote:Because we have more than two hundred Senators, here is the revised act (changed parts in red).

Senatorial Limitation Act, Take III

Section 1: Definitions
Senator - an official member of the NSG Senate who has applied and has been approved
first-come, first-served basis - the first applicant who applies after a Senator's removal to be accepted shall take the place of said former Senator

Section 2: Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to promote stability and efficiency within the Senate and to prevent turmoil.

Section 3: Provisions
A. The number of official Senators shall not exceed two hundred fifty (250).

B. If any Senator is unable to carry out his or her duties due to ejection from the Senate or any other reason provided by the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I, a new Senator shall take his/her place by first-come, first-served basis, provided the ejected Senator does not follow the procedure outlined in subsection C within fifteen (15) days of ejection.

C. Any Senator who has been ejected for the first time shall be given a period of fifteen (15) days to complete point i of the following, and he/she must then follow the remaining steps:

i. Re- apply for a Senatorial seat

ii. Be re- accepted into the NSG Senate

iii. Actively participate in Senate proceedings as defined the in the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I.

D. Any Senator who has been readmitted into the Senate via the steps outlined in section 3, subsection C, points i and ii but who does not follow point iii shall again face ejection, and should said Senator be again ejected, he/she is forever banned from re- applying to the NSG Senate.


EDIT: put in quotations.

I think it was amended to 275 already.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:50 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:Because we have more than two hundred Senators, here is the revised act (changed parts in red).



EDIT: put in quotations.

I think it was amended to 275 already.


Well, I'm re- amending it.
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Postby The Treorai » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:51 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I think it was amended to 275 already.


Well, I'm re- amending it.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:54 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I think it was amended to 275 already.


Well, I'm re- amending it.

Why does it need to be reamended from 275?
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:58 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Bleckonia wrote:
Well, I'm re- amending it.

Why does it need to be reamended from 275?


Fine, we'll go with 275.

(But I like clean- cut, even- steven numbers. Just saying).
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:59 pm

Senatorial Limitation Act, Take IV

Section 1: Definitions
Senator - an official member of the NSG Senate who has applied and has been approved
first-come, first-served basis - the first applicant who applies after a Senator's removal to be accepted shall take the place of said former Senator

Section 2: Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to promote stability and efficiency within the Senate and to prevent turmoil.

Section 3: Provisions
A. The number of official Senators shall not exceed two hundred seventy- five (275).

B. If any Senator is unable to carry out his or her duties due to ejection from the Senate or any other reason provided by the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I, a new Senator shall take his/her place by first-come, first-served basis, provided the ejected Senator does not follow the procedure outlined in subsection C within fifteen (15) days of ejection.

C. Any Senator who has been ejected for the first time shall be given a period of fifteen (15) days to complete point i of the following, and he/she must then follow the remaining steps:

i. Re- apply for a Senatorial seat

ii. Be re- accepted into the NSG Senate

iii. Actively participate in Senate proceedings as defined the in the Constitution of the Senate as written in Act I.

D. Any Senator who has been readmitted into the Senate via the steps outlined in section 3, subsection C, points i and ii but who does not follow point iii shall again face ejection, and should said Senator be again ejected, he/she is forever banned from re- applying to the NSG Senate.


Edited to meet specifications requested by other Senators.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:00 pm

Just stick with 250.
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Postby Bleckonia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:00 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:Just stick with 250.


Other senators wanted 275. So I'll go with 275. It's okay, it's only 25 more Senators.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:03 pm

Bleckonia wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:Just stick with 250.


Other senators wanted 275. So I'll go with 275. It's okay, it's only 25 more Senators.

275 also avoids ties if all senators vote.
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Postby Polvia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:27 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:Democracy is more important than the stability of coalitions.

Agreed. Plus if their majority is so small that a few senators derails it then it wasn't much of a stable coalition to begin with.
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Postby Evraim » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:13 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Evraim wrote:No. There's a queue. We are supposed to telegram our finished resolutions to Denecap. I think that the Provisional Criminal Code and the Ministers resolution are the next bills that will see the floor.

No, that was changed by denecap because of overload of tg's he got. Now, we just post it here and there is a queue which if I am remembering right goes like this:-
1. Senatorial Limitation Act
2. Bodily Sovereignty Act.
3, Ministry Foundation Act (Thanks, Aeken for reminding me of this).
I am not sure if national symbols act was asked to be put on queue or not...

I made a motion to add the Provisional Criminal Code to the queue a while back... And NAME... I would respectfully assert that the former ought to receive the attention of the Senate before the Bodily Sovereignty Act as it obtained the necessary support well before the Bodily Sovereignty Act was conceived. I think this order is roughly as follows:

1. Senatorial Limitation Act
2. Provisional Criminal Code
3. Ministry Foundation Act
4. National Act of Memorable Excellence (All hail Lucy!)
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Postby Aeken » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:48 pm

Evraim wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:No, that was changed by denecap because of overload of tg's he got. Now, we just post it here and there is a queue which if I am remembering right goes like this:-
1. Senatorial Limitation Act
2. Bodily Sovereignty Act.
3, Ministry Foundation Act (Thanks, Aeken for reminding me of this).
I am not sure if national symbols act was asked to be put on queue or not...

I made a motion to add the Provisional Criminal Code to the queue a while back... And NAME... I would respectfully assert that the former ought to receive the attention of the Senate before the Bodily Sovereignty Act as it obtained the necessary support well before the Bodily Sovereignty Act was conceived. I think this order is roughly as follows:

1. Senatorial Limitation Act
2. Provisional Criminal Code
3. Ministry Foundation Act
4. National Act of Memorable Excellence (All hail Lucy!)

Unfortunately, the Bodily Sovereignty Act was fifthed, and judging from this link, I cannot find a fourth or fifth.

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Postby Polvia » Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:51 pm

Honourable Senators,
I'd like to submit the following legislative proposal to the Senate queue for debate.

LEGISLATION SUBMISSION
Official Title: The Business Accountability Act
Sponsor(s): Shrillland, TerraPublica, Othelos, Ujh Uhj, Toronina
Text of Legislation (please put in spoiler):
The Business Accountability Act
Drafted by: Polvia
Co-Drafted by: Aquitayne, Soviet Canuckistan

The Senate of the nation that has yet to be named;
DEFININGbusiness institution” as: Any organization involved in the trade of goods, services, or both to consumers.
OBSERVING the great potential for institutions of business to do great harm to their employees through their practices.
REALIZING that there are no laws that hold business institutions accountable to the safety of their workers.
MANDATES that any injury or death of any worker, or multiple workers, while on the job, regardless of the nature of said worker’s nationality or residence, shall be brought to an inquiry on the business practices of the business institution.
MANDATES that, if the injury or death of a worker or multiple workers, should it be found that said injury(s) or death(s) are, in anyway, connected to;
    1) The practices of the business institution,
    2) The negligence of the business institution, being aware of potential hazard, to take actions;
    3) The disregard of the business institution to follow safety laws, or its own established safety protocol.
MANDATES That said business institution(s) be forced to give compensation in the following manner if the end result is death(s):
    1) The coverage of all funeral costs, likewise related death costs, and/or the full coverage of all medical bills,
    2) A payment to the household of said worker(s), or closest living immediate relative if worker lives alone, or payment to the government should neither be available, equal to two years wages of that worker(s).
    3) A payment of equal variety that is equal in value to three years benefits.
    4) For all coverage plans that the covered the household prior to the death or injury of the worker(s) remain in application for a minimum of five years.
    5) The business institution be charged with any and all fines that can be applied in the scenario.
MANDATES That said business institution(s) be forced to give compensation in the following manner if the end result is injury(s):
    1) The full coverage of all insurance and medical bills,
    2) Full pay and benefits for recovery time assigned by a registered Doctor,
    3) The business institution be charged with any and all fines that can be applied in the scenario.
MANDATES That said business institution(s) cover the cost of the investigation should they be found guilty of any of the aforementioned provisions.
RESTRICTS an institution from firing any injured workers until they are given one month (30 days) to prove they are capable of working again after the recovery time (as defined under the Injury Mandate clause) is finished,
ESTABLISHES the Business Safety Ministry to be charged with these inquiries into business institutions, and the application of fines upon said business institutions.
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