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I think that Security Council resolution needs to be repealed. i am not very good at writing proposals, so read it and give me some ideas.

It doesn't really work that way... you've got to persuade us why you think the resolution should be repealed, and maybe then people will help you form your arguments into a proposal. I'd recommend having a read over it, and then coming up with a list of a few things you dislike about the resolution/disagree with.

Arguments against include,

NOTES that 17 Antarctic Oasis nations have authored 49 successful resolutions in total, within both the NSUN and NSWA;

[..]

LAUDS Antarctic Oasis as only one of the above passed resolutions has as of yet been repealed, which demonstrates a strength in proposal writing and ensures that the region’s efforts have affected all WA member nations;

But only 15-ish of those proposals are eligible for actually being repealed since the destruction of the NSUN, which is a number that is closely matched by individual players such as Sionis, Myself and the NSUN Jey.

Ultimately the number of resolutions really isn't worth shit, but a few proposals by AO have been incredible: Ban on Trafficking and Slavery, WA General Fund. Prevention of Torture, and The Landmine Convention.. powerful stuff, but where is the proof that the actual association of these fine authors in their region is what made these resolutions possible, should we have not just given the authors due credit individually and commended Quod and *cough* Kenny. Although I suspect Quod would have objected to a commendation of himself.. don't quote me on that, though, just personal experience speaking.

DETAILS that these passed resolutions cover a wide variety of topics, including education, economics, child pornography, necrophilia, terrorism, naval protocols, and also the highly controversial subject of abortion;

The subjects themselves are merely controversial, generally disturbing or vague... where is the specific consequences of these proposals? Clearly not all fourty-nine resolutions needed to explained in depth, but the author could have chosen some of the best of their work and explained how the resolutions have improved the world.

It appears so far that the region was commended for a multitude of resolutions to their name, many of which are unrepealable by design (NSUN), and a list of topics they chosen to pursue which sets the precedent that if any author wants to write a proposal they could get commended for, all they have to do is write a child pornography proposal... doesn't matter if it is for or against child pornography. All that matters is that they pursued that certain topic.

OBSERVES that diplomats from Antarctic Oasis are frequently found in the Strangers’ Bar and that they have contributed greatly to the atmosphere and ambiance of that drinking establishment - provided that they are not brawling, lighting fires, causing explosions, and/or pranking other diplomats;

We'd have to commend every region that sends an alcoholic, childish and cynical sovereignist to represent their nations, if we commend them for this 'great contribution'. It is also arguable that their elitist nature does not contribute 'greatly' to the atmosphere and ambiance of the drinking establishment, but merely isolates others from contributing greatly and thus leaves them to do it for themselves.

DOCUMENTS the other contributions that members of Antarctic Oasis have made to the NSWA, such as:
• Highlighting loopholes in proposed legislation
• Unearthing indisputable archeological proof that the WA Secretariat currently known as “Ardchoille” was originally known as “Artichokeville”
• Introducing all ambassadors to the Thessadorian Ambassador and her considerable assets;

Only the latter point is even worth mentioning. Lots of people find loopholes in proposed legislation, personally I'm awful at it, but I wouldn't say it is a talent that is exclusive to AO, nor is it something that has been improved as a skill by these individual member-nations being associated with one another.

OVERLOOKS the other, less honorable contributions that members of Antarctic Oasis have made to the NSWA, such as:
• Soliciting bribes for votes
• Exploiting loopholes in passed legislation
• Employing gnomish war-bands and kamikaze penguins to keep compliance officials at bay;

Clearly the only thing not worth repealing this resolution for.

Then there is the opinion of AO to the international community, that they blatantly try to undermine the Security Council and have caused a sort of divide between Security Councillors and General Assemblers for no reason other than to cause mischief and tension.

Aristicacy wrote:I think that Security Council resolution needs to be repealed. i am not very good at writing proposals, so read it and give me some ideas.

8 million people, 3 days old, and you want it repealed? wowza.

Unibot wrote:Arguments against include,

*pent-up hostility*

I suppose we'll paper over the fact that you were enthusiastically in favor of this resolution and even helped draft it.

Also, your "Are we supposed to commend every region that does [random]?" arguments don't really work, 1) because AO was commended for doing this plus that plus the other thing (i.e., for doing lots of things, not just one or two); and 2) because AO was commended for outstanding achievements, not merely the fact that it has achievements.

That said, I gather the members of AO would broadly support a repeal of this Commendation, seeing how we really didn't want it much in the first place.

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Also, your "Are we supposed to commend every region that does [random]?" arguments don't really work, 1) because AO was commended for doing this plus that plus the other thing (i.e., for doing lots of things, not just one or two); and 2) because AO was commended for outstanding achievements, not merely the fact that it has achievements.

The fact that your region's members have passed 40+ resolutions plus being unbearably insolent, is not a accumulation of outstanding achievements, it's a Christmas miracle and a disgrace to those who've also gotten a commendation. My opinion on AO changed once it became clear that you were not being 'harsh' on the Security Council in an act of 'tough-love', but being 'harsh' purely for your amusement and the vexation of others.

Unibot wrote:The fact that your region's members have passed 40+ resolutions plus being unbearably insolent, is not a accumulation of outstanding achievements, it's a Christmas miracle and a disgrace to those who've also gotten a commendation.

You are absolutely right: it was a disgraceful act for the SC to award a region it openly despises with a sarcastic Commendation the region members clearly did not want, and it cheapens the Commendation for every other player who has received one. But the SC seems to do that with every Commendation it passes, so I suppose it's only par for the course...

being unbearably insolent...purely for your amusement and the vexation of others.

I'm sorry, but is the irony here intentional? I admit I am a bit slow-humored, so I apologize if I'm ruining the joke.

*sigh* Keep it clean, you two. You're fighting under Marquis of Queensberry rules, okay?

I recognise any condemnation or repeal of a commendation has vast potential for flamebait, flaming and trolling, but if you stick to discussing concrete actions you'll be on safer ground. Try to avoid inflammatory adjectives and adverbs that might seem to any passing mod to be directed at a person, not a nation or region.

For example, though a nation or region can undoubtedly be "insolent", have a care that neither of you accidentally tosses that at the player-behind.

EDIT: Oh, and attributing motives to an opponent is fraught with risk. Try using supporting evidence ... "From (describe action or quote statement) it would seem that (the nation/region) intended ...".

Frankly I don't get it.

AO and Uni... Hell, AO and just about everyone else in the gameplay game hate each other. It's not like it's a secret or anything.

Why exactly did AO get a commendation in the first place if they are so universally despised? If you could explain it in less than two paragraphs I would appreciate it. Also, telling me to go back and read it is sort of a waste of the caloric energy it takes to type it, so save yourself the expense.

I also think a repeal is just free publicity for AO and the whole nasty battle between the SC and GA. I dont' get why anyone wants to do that.

Darkesia wrote:Frankly I don't get it.

AO and Uni... Hell, AO and just about everyone else in the gameplay game hate each other. It's not like it's a secret or anything.

Why exactly did AO get a commendation in the first place if they are so universally despised? If you could explain it in less than two paragraphs I would appreciate it. Also, telling me to go back and read it is sort of a waste of the caloric energy it takes to type it, so save yourself the expense.

I also think a repeal is just free publicity for AO and the whole nasty battle between the SC and GA. I dont' get why anyone wants to do that.

I mean this entire post is amazing, but that bit had me in tears.

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Darkesia wrote: If you could explain it in less than two paragraphs I would appreciate it.

Well, my suspicion is five fold,

1. Member-nations were deluded into thinking that this commendation could act as a peace-offering for the "Commend Jey" dispute, essentially to tell AO to sod off, in an appeasing manner.
2. Member-nations were deluded into thinking that being vexatious and actually harmful to the community (I wonder how many members have left the game because of AO's attitude? Ever wondered why WA authorship is such a smaller community?) does not negate what recognition they deserve for their 'contributions'.
3. The previous commendation, "Commend Sedge" had received much attention and controversy from raiders which highlights an interesting point, if you take away interest from the three fractions that cause the most controversy over resolutions : Raiders, Defenders and AO.. then a proposal goes without much controversy from the global community.
4. The Security Council was hungover from the pissing match of "Commend Sedge", and too tired to house a serious debate.
5. The proposal presented itself in a humorous and light image for a nominee that we should have seen through but didn't, which essentially dressed up a lemon nominee for us to bite.

And this idea that AO didn't want their commendation is bull, they stayed silent throughout the entire vote, if they didn't want it their members would have spoken up, the proposal was co-authored by a AO citzen, and they didn't start bitchin' about it till well afterwards.

Unibotian WA Mission wrote:And this idea that AO didn't want their commendation is bull, they stayed silent throughout the entire vote, if they didn't want it their members would have spoken up, the proposal was co-authored by a AO citzen, and they didn't start bitchin' about it till well afterwards.

Out of respect for the author, sure. But it was never our idea to actually submit that proposal. I mean, all our SC discussions are a matter of public record now, aren't they?

Unibotian WA Mission wrote:Ever wondered why WA authorship is such a smaller community?

FWIW, when I first got here two years or so ago, the WA was much more active than it has been. AO members played a big part, I think. Introducing the Security Council drove a lot of long-time players away, and now AO is barely active, and hasn't actually authored very many resolutions, and only really debates on proposals every now and then. I kind of do miss Quod, for some strange reason.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:

Unibotian WA Mission wrote:Ever wondered why WA authorship is such a smaller community?

FWIW, when I first got here two years or so ago, the WA was much more active than it has been. AO members played a big part, I think. Introducing the Security Council drove a lot of long-time players away, and now AO is barely active, and hasn't actually authored very many resolutions, and only really debates on proposals every now and then. I kind of do miss Quod, for some strange reason.

Fair Enough. I do too, oddly enough, and he hates my guts....

Must be some sort of Stockholm syndrome or something... but I remember him to be one of the best at throughly dismantling resolution drafts.

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:

Unibotian WA Mission wrote:I mean, all our SC discussions are a matter of public record now, aren't they?

Not to me they aren't. I'll retract that statement then.

I support it. I do not see how a commended region has a founder who is CONDEMNED. It just doesn't make sense. I will support this.

Severania wrote:I support it. I do not see how a commended region has a founder who is CONDEMNED. It just doesn't make sense. I will support this.

You lost me, how doesn't that make sense?

Sorry, I wasnt very clear. The founder is condemned by the world assembly, while the region in all in commended. It doesn't make sense to me.

So your implying AO is unworthy of a commendation because of the actions of one individual?

Kalibarr wrote:So your implying AO is unworthy of a commendation because of the actions of one individual?

On the other hand, this resolution implies AO is worthy of a commendation because of the actions of individuals.

Severania wrote:Sorry, I wasnt very clear. The founder is condemned by the world assembly, while the region in all in commended. It doesn't make sense to me.

IC: Note delivered to the Severania delegation from the (wrongfully, for life) President of Ardchoille, Dicey Reilly, who is apparently idling in the Strangers Bar and picking up the occasional comment from the SC broadcast:

Darkesia wrote:Frankly I don't get it.

AO and Uni... Hell, AO and just about everyone else in the gameplay game hate each other. It's not like it's a secret or anything.

Why exactly did AO get a commendation in the first place if they are so universally despised? If you could explain it in less than two paragraphs I would appreciate it. Also, telling me to go back and read it is sort of a waste of the caloric energy it takes to type it, so save yourself the expense.

I also think a repeal is just free publicity for AO and the whole nasty battle between the SC and GA. I dont' get why anyone wants to do that.

OOC: Frankly, neither do I. To start, does AO really need "free publicity" at this point? It's not as if we're actively recruiting, or in any case, we're not out to get new nations to join AO. If people get to know us and like us, they're free to associate with us. If not, no big deal. It's not as if repealing (or not) Commend AO is going to drive our nation numbers over 200 by Halloween.

As for the "whole nasty battle" meme, I'm just not seeing it. The SC is what it is, and I'm not really in the market for additional drama these days. While I certainly can't speak for the entire region, I get the feeling that's more of less the case for a lot of AOers. It doesn't mean that we won't be critical of some SC activities, or GA activities for that matter, but it also doesn't mean that our criticism should somehow be the harbinger of the resurrection of some ancestral grand melee. Really, if the more ardent SCers wanted to see less AO activity on this forum, I wonder why there would be any opposition to removing any trace of its association with AO. But that's just me.

Unibot wrote:

Kalibarr wrote:So your implying AO is unworthy of a commendation because of the actions of one individual?

On the other hand, this resolution implies AO is worthy of a commendation because of the actions of individuals.

individuals, not one individual.

i cannot belive anyone took this seriously! i figured you'd think i was just some lame noob that has no clue how nationstates works Thanks alot for being so supporive! and thanks toNew Sevrania for writing it! Please approve!!!!!!!! How many Co- authors can you put on a resolution? If you can only have one you shouldnt mention me. i just planted the seed, you watered it.

New Severania's proposal is unlikely to make it into the queue. I've posted here about why I think its illegal. Even if it is legal, the text needs strengthening, as its pretty terrible at the moment. If you and New Severania are serious about getting the resolution repealed, post up a draft here for people to make suggestions.