NationStates

Repeal "Commend Vilita And Turori"
A resolution to repeal a previously passed resolution.
Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#309 | Proposed by: Ko-oren (and the Licentian Isles, currently CTE)

Security Council Resolution #309 “Commend Vilita And Turori” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

The Security Council,

Noting the importance of integrity and trust in the world of sports, where impartiality of results and a level playing field are vital.

Shocked by the revelation that the sporting organisations of Vilita and Turori have committed a sustained campaign of deception in the sporting community, including entering undisclosed participants, from more nations associated with Vilita and Turori than allowed, into at least a dozen tournaments.

Appalled by the harassing behaviour of officials of some associated nations across multiple regions of the sporting community.

Disturbed by the fact that the commendation praised elements that were sadly proven false in the light of these revelations, in particular noting the neutral and successful hosting of NationStates World Cups.

Steadfast in the belief that the behaviour perpetrated by Vilita and Turori should not be rewarded with a commendation by this august body.

Hereby repeals SC#309: Commend Vilita And Turori

Pending developments in this thread. Depending on any discussion or outcome there, this proposal could be unnecessary and reflect badly on me - it's a necessary discussion to have either way, let's treat it as that. More than passing this proposal, I'm interested in the discussion and potential on-site consequences. If this is in poor taste, I'm more than willing to not pursue this further - in fact, I hoped this post wouldn't be necessary at all.

You could definitely have a sentence that notes the breach of community trust, but am almost certain the clause mentioning moderation is illegal as written.

Otherwise, defer the decision to support to the wider Sports community. If y'all think this is worth repealing their badge then sure.

As someone personally affected by this user's behaviour, this has my full support.

Support. Though I recommend going into detail about how Vilita propagated this breach of trust. After all, many voters will not know the context, and the lack of it may make people assume things that aren't true.

Additionally, perhaps a word with negative connotations could be used to describe the scale of operations, as 'Amazed' doesn't really work.

Hulldom wrote:You could definitely have a sentence that notes the breach of community trust, but am almost certain the clause mentioning moderation is illegal as written.

Otherwise, defer the decision to support to the wider Sports community. If y'all think this is worth repealing their badge then sure.

That's what I'm wondering about as well. The out-of-character actions must be taken into account but framed in an in-character way, I assume?

Yes.

As an important aside about the SC rules, you should request a legality ruling should you choose to go ahead with this. The Expanded Details of Rule 3b says that any mention of a rules violation in a proposal that has been submitted in-game will be marked illegal if you have not asked for a legality check.

Opposed.

On that note, I'd like to request a legality check under rule 3b, if necessary, given the original linked thread is the result of moderator action already.

Ko-oren wrote:On that note, I'd like to request a legality check under rule 3b, if necessary, given the original linked thread is the result of moderator action already.

In principle, it's fine to mention. However, you'll need a final ruling on the precise wording once you've finalised your text.

A little bare-bones. People from outside the community would likely need a little more context to the situation to understand the stakes and consequences here.

And yeah, make sure the wording is specifically set to avoid site-referential words like "moderation," if you can.

Support because Vilita heisted me once. Hope the 7 thousand bank was worth it

You’re going to need to put a lot more meat on this skeleton, especially for those of us with no knowledge of NS Sports.

You need to make me understand why this repeal is necessary.

I guess the trouble with making it more clear is it becomes very obvious then that we're talking about OOC actions that lead to this IC sanction. How do more experienced SC users suggest going about this? I'm happy to discuss with someone more experienced in this subforum by TG or on Discord if it'll help us get something like this passed.

As the original writer I am in support of a potential repeal based on the information in front of me.

Opposed.

Castille de Italia wrote:Opposed.

I mean, I don't know how you could be opposed to this. Looking at the evidence, there's a possibility this player fixed the score and winners in at least 2 World Cup events and made sure they could have hosted at least 4 others. This is a clear break from what's exceptable.

I can't believe this. This is likely one of the biggest Partisan Witch Hunts in the history of the Security Council, and we're seeing it unfold in front of our very eyes. First things first, Krazy-Oren is ran by DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, which basically means that it's a fiefdom by Marxist Bernie, and on then we have Lil Turo, a brave moralistic democracy that fully supports Christian, conservative values straight from the Bible. I think the attack by Marxists against god-fearing conservatives is enough evidence for me that this draft is a total and complete fake news witch hunt scam, and I fully oppose this.

Ko-oren wrote:

Hulldom wrote:You could definitely have a sentence that notes the breach of community trust, but am almost certain the clause mentioning moderation is illegal as written.

Otherwise, defer the decision to support to the wider Sports community. If y'all think this is worth repealing their badge then sure.

That's what I'm wondering about as well. The out-of-character actions must be taken into account but framed in an in-character way, I assume?

The Licentian Isles wrote:I guess the trouble with making it more clear is it becomes very obvious then that we're talking about OOC actions that lead to this IC sanction. How do more experienced SC users suggest going about this? I'm happy to discuss with someone more experienced in this subforum by TG or on Discord if it'll help us get something like this passed.

So, based on the linked thread from Moderation, I believe you have essentially two lines or argument that can be used:
1 - Persistent secret harassment and/or disruption of other regions and tournaments, by my understanding here and your comments on the WA Discord
2 - Undisclosed, consistently used, puppets violate general community trust and may have allowed abuses of various community things (ie, World Cup Hosting) and/or of tournaments in how scoring was done.

A few suggestions then:

The Security Council,

Noting the importance of trust and integrity in the world of sports, where neutrality of results and a level playing field are so important.

This is good, it establishes why what they did should matter once you give details

Discovering the extent to which this trust has been breached by the revelations brought forth by moderation's investigation, which casts doubt on the achievements by Vilita, Turori, or the combined teams from Vilita and Turori - as well as other nations.

Perhaps a touch more negative, and a little bit more concise - as a suggestion:
"Aghast by the extent of the many undisclosed puppet nations discovered by international sporting authorities to be controlled by Vilita and Turori & their associated nations"
Something like this both shortens the sentence, and prevents a reader from being confused by all these different nations

Amazed at the scale and duration of the operation.

Hereby repeals SC#309: Commend Vilita And Turori

Again, both good, though Amazed should probably be replaced with another word with a more negative connotation

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Now what I think is missing (as noted by others) is a little more description of what they did, though not much is needed in the middle I think. As a suggestion:

Shocked by what years of persistent hidden puppets allowed Vilita And Turori to do, such as:

• Consistently harass and disrupt regions in the sporting community such as Esportiva and The Western Isles
• Abuse general sporting expectations of self-identification of puppets to enable entering tournaments such as the World Cup with multiple secret nations or providing referees to games played by their own secret puppets

These are of course just some rough suggestions of how to fill out this proposal a bit more, the general idea of it is enough for my support

Parsend wrote:

Castille de Italia wrote:Opposed.

I mean, I don't know how you could be opposed to this. Looking at the evidence, there's a possibility this player fixed the score and winners in at least 2 World Cup events and made sure they could have hosted at least 4 others. This is a clear break from what's exceptable.

Some of the greatest in their fields have rigged contests in their favor; Arnold Rothstein, Tom Brady, Joe Biden, and now Vilita. If you can’t outgrind the fix, then it’s a personal problem I guess.

Hi,

Original author here (Electrum and I worked on this one together):

It's certainly unfortunate that this happened. I can imagine that a lot of people are feeling pretty betrayed right about now, and rightfully so given the span of time that this level of deception has been at play.

When we initially wrote the resolution, I think it'd be fair to say that we were proud of our work. I always endeavor to write resolutions that I think will stand the test of time if passed, and, generally speaking, I feel a sort of familiarity and connection with the nominees that I've written for after getting to know about their contributions and learning their stories. But, at the same time, those nominees have to remain nations that both the community and I can be proud of and look up to.

Regardless, if the NS Sports community would like to see V&T stripped of their commendation in light of this new information, then I'm more than happy to defer to them on that and support a repeal of the resolution. That being said, I echo what BBD, Drawkland, and others have said about this repeal.

Unless you (Ko-oren) make substantial additions to what you have above, I don't think that this repeal is worth supporting. However, that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be willing to support a repeal in principle. To me, it not only matters that you do something about this; but it also matters how you do something about this. I'd like to see a more well-rounded repeal that pays proper mind to what has happened and the gravity of why this is a significant development that overshadows their previous achievements.

Support a repeal in principle, not exactly sure about the contents. I will have some thoughts over it and probably think about how to re-draft this (interesting in writing a repeal).

Support, however is the mention of 'moderation' in the third clause possibly a rule 2a violation?
EDIT: Hulldom appears to already have said this

Eternal Algerstonia wrote:I can't believe this. This is likely one of the biggest Partisan Witch Hunts in the history of the Security Council, and we're seeing it unfold in front of our very eyes. First things first, Krazy-Oren is ran by DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, which basically means that it's a fiefdom by Marxist Bernie, and on then we have Lil Turo, a brave moralistic democracy that fully supports Christian, conservative values straight from the Bible. I think the attack by Marxists against god-fearing conservatives is enough evidence for me that this draft is a total and complete fake news witch hunt scam, and I fully oppose this.

You're just spamming at this point - this has nothing to do with the proposal. *** Warned for spam. ***

Castille de Italia wrote:

Parsend wrote:I mean, I don't know how you could be opposed to this. Looking at the evidence, there's a possibility this player fixed the score and winners in at least 2 World Cup events and made sure they could have hosted at least 4 others. This is a clear break from what's exceptable.

Some of the greatest in their fields have rigged contests in their favor; Arnold Rothstein, Tom Brady, Joe Biden, and now Vilita. If you can’t outgrind the fix, then it’s a personal problem I guess.

And you're just trolling the entire NS Sports community. *** 1 week forumban. ***

Since it's a matter related to moderation, you could structure in a way to reflect the authorities have cracked down on sports cheating rather than mentioning moderation outright. You should also stress the importance of fair play and there shouldn't be tolerance for this sort of action, rendering their commendation removed (listing the accomplishments that were tainted would also strengthen your points).

I support this resolution in principle, especially since the target Resolution was focused on their contributions to sports. However, I agree with what others have said about filling out the proposal more. I believe that you could even mention parts of the target resolution that Vilita and Turori no longer lives up to because of this behavior.