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[Ponaeamic]

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[The Marsupial Illuminati]

It is deplorable to say the least and I believe that this should be changed.In my time here I can say that there have probably been approximately 100 commendations that have taken place.

Incorrect. The number is quite less than 100.

I believe that stricter controls are necessary to keep the idea of getting a commendation an privilege and not simply an award given to whoever is well known or who can handle the issues of their Nations/Regions in a respectable, timely, manner.

I always see nations saying that the criteria for commendations needs to be set higher, Examplestan doesn't deserve a commendation because they haven't done much, etc. When players demand stricter criteria, such requests are often quite general. What exact requirements do you want to see players fulfill before being commended? What more can nations do? Please be specific. The precedent for being commended for leadership is well established, so saying that this is not enough is not a valid argument. Being well-known comes with leadership, and such nations often have worldwide impact, leading to commendations. Saying that nations must do more than be excellent leaders basically disqualifies many nations that have been commended.

I call upon the many members of this council to listen to my words and tighten regulations and criteria for nations that have already been commended and nations that may be commended in the future.

The criteria is already very strict, as no one has been commended in months. What you seek to accomplish may have already been accomplished.

While I have no draft of new regulations at the moment, I would appreciate it if another nation that shares my concerns would back me up and assist in drafting new regulations.

You cannot draft regulations for SC proposals. You can only draft Commendations, Condemnations, Liberations, and Repeals. What you are proposing does not fall under any of those four categories.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Let's not. There are already strict rules on what's legal and what's not. Now you would like to add some undefined criteria on top of that?

Actually come to think of it this would belong in Technical rather than here because, as TMI has pointed out, you can't change the SC rules through an SC proposal.

[We Are Not the NSA]

This is a [Discussion] not a [Draft]. If it were a draft it would be illegal in about 20 different ways.

In my time I have known many commendable nations and their Leaders, but I have also seen many nations be commended that shouldn't have. It is deplorable to say the least and I believe that this should be changed.In my time here I can say that there have probably been approximately 100 commendations that have taken place.

Actually there have only been 70 Commendations since the founding of the Security Council, only 57 of which are still in place.

I have participated in many and have striven to gain one for myself... but that is another matter ... In all of the commendations I have seen/been part of, and the repeals that have been given after such an honour. I believe that stricter controls are necessary to keep the idea of getting a commendation an privilege and not simply an award given to whoever is well known or who can handle the issues of their Nations/Regions in a respectable, timely, manner. I call upon the many members of this council to listen to my words and tighten regulations and criteria for nations that have already been commended and nations that may be commended in the future. While I have no draft of new regulations at the moment, I would appreciate it if another nation that shares my concerns would back me up and assist in drafting new regulations.

Said regulations would be an R3 violation, as they would not Commend, Condemn, Liberate or Repeal: the Security Council cannot change its own rules or structure.

And I agree with my cohorts, of the last 10 resolutions only 2 have been Commendations. I watch Commendation drafts get shot out of the water twice a week on this forum, even a few good ones being denied. Criteria is high as it is.

[Ponaeamic]

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[Bhang Bhang Duc]

You don't seem to be reading the replies to your OP. You cannot legislate criteria for Commendations through the SC.

It would require changes to the rules and that is outside the remit of the SC.

[The Marsupial Illuminati]

In my time I have known many commendable nations and their Leaders, but I have also seen many nations be commended that shouldn't have.

Really? Give an example of a nation that currently does not deserve their commendation. You are painting a false generalization without providing facts.

I call upon the many members of this council to listen to my words and tighten regulations and criteria for nations that have already been commended and nations that may be commended in the future. While I have no draft of new regulations at the moment, I would appreciate it if another nation that shares my concerns would back me up and assist in drafting new regulations.

No one that has shared their thoughts so far agrees with your position that commendations need stricter criteria. You were given evidence of how strict the SC already is regarding C&Cs, such as the fact that only 2 out of the last 10 resolutions are commendations. In fact, as I and NSA have expressed, commendation criteria should be less strict, not more.

Answering what specific things a nation can do, that is why I asked for assistance in creating or adjusting said criteria.

I saw you reading my thread "On Commendations and Condemnations." I am sure that you already are aware of the criteria. Since you are asking for "assistance" and not providing any specific ideas of your own regarding the criteria, I will say that there is no need for an "adjusting" of the current criteria for a commendation. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is.

EDIT: I have concluded that this player is a troll: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=287938 and viewtopic.php?f=24&t=287940

[Ponaeamic]

In my time I have known many commendable nations and their Leaders, but I have also seen many nations be commended that shouldn't have.

Really? Give an example of a nation that currently does not deserve their commendation. You are painting a false generalization without providing facts.

I call upon the many members of this council to listen to my words and tighten regulations and criteria for nations that have already been commended and nations that may be commended in the future. While I have no draft of new regulations at the moment, I would appreciate it if another nation that shares my concerns would back me up and assist in drafting new regulations.

No one that has shared their thoughts so far agrees with your position that commendations need stricter criteria. You were given evidence of how strict the SC already is regarding C&Cs, such as the fact that only 2 out of the last 10 resolutions are commendations. In fact, as I and NSA have expressed, commendation criteria should be less strict, not more.

Answering what specific things a nation can do, that is why I asked for assistance in creating or adjusting said criteria.

I saw you reading my thread "On Commendations and Condemnations." I am sure that you already are aware of the criteria. Since you are asking for "assistance" and not providing any specific ideas of your own regarding the criteria, I will say that there is no need for an "adjusting" of the current criteria for a commendation. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is.

EDIT: I have concluded that this player is a troll: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=287938

That Point is invalid it is 2, almost 3 years old.

[Ponaeamic]

In my time I have known many commendable nations and their Leaders, but I have also seen many nations be commended that shouldn't have.

Really? Give an example of a nation that currently does not deserve their commendation. You are painting a false generalization without providing facts.

I call upon the many members of this council to listen to my words and tighten regulations and criteria for nations that have already been commended and nations that may be commended in the future. While I have no draft of new regulations at the moment, I would appreciate it if another nation that shares my concerns would back me up and assist in drafting new regulations.

No one that has shared their thoughts so far agrees with your position that commendations need stricter criteria. You were given evidence of how strict the SC already is regarding C&Cs, such as the fact that only 2 out of the last 10 resolutions are commendations. In fact, as I and NSA have expressed, commendation criteria should be less strict, not more.

Answering what specific things a nation can do, that is why I asked for assistance in creating or adjusting said criteria.

I saw you reading my thread "On Commendations and Condemnations." I am sure that you already are aware of the criteria. Since you are asking for "assistance" and not providing any specific ideas of your own regarding the criteria, I will say that there is no need for an "adjusting" of the current criteria for a commendation. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is.

EDIT: I have concluded that this player is a troll: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=287938

As for nations that do not deserve their Commendation, they have been punished, and repealed.

[Drasnia]

Really? Give an example of a nation that currently does not deserve their commendation. You are painting a false generalization without providing facts.

No one that has shared their thoughts so far agrees with your position that commendations need stricter criteria. You were given evidence of how strict the SC already is regarding C&Cs, such as the fact that only 2 out of the last 10 resolutions are commendations. In fact, as I and NSA have expressed, commendation criteria should be less strict, not more.

I saw you reading my thread "On Commendations and Condemnations." I am sure that you already are aware of the criteria. Since you are asking for "assistance" and not providing any specific ideas of your own regarding the criteria, I will say that there is no need for an "adjusting" of the current criteria for a commendation. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is. Again, I will repeat, the criteria is already strict as it is.

EDIT: I have concluded that this player is a troll: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=287938

As for nations that do not deserve their Commendation, they have been punished, and repealed.

Eh, not really. It's more like most of those who were either C or C'd were highly political figures so as the voting blocs of the SC changed (mainly through the changing of delegates in highly influential regions) shifted the vote. A person like the TNP delegate who controls more than 1000 votes could really flip the vote completely changing the outcome of a highly-contested vote. More often than not, these shifts occur around the same time in multiple regions as significant events of the game influence the perspectives of players.

As for the main question, I too believe C&Cs need to be easier to pass - not harder. The SC is anemic as is (especially compared to the GA). If we are to get it active, we need to make it easier for others to get involved.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Changing the criteria is a question of community standards.

[TKae City]

I would support adding activity requirements during the time of proposed commendation to the process. It's asinine to commend a nation who will be foreseeably deactivated.

[Bears Armed]

I would support adding activity requirements during the time of proposed commendation to the process. It's asinine to commend a nation who will be foreseeably deactivated.

No, it isn't: As they can't be commended after the nation has ceased to exist, getting the proposal onto the floor as soon as possible after they announce their intention of retiring it is likely to be the only way of getting a summary of their achievements securely into the "historical" records for later players to read...

[Old Tyrannia]

EDIT: I have concluded that this player is a troll: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=287938 and viewtopic.php?f=24&t=287940

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Please read over the One Stop Rules Shop and familiarise yourself with the rules of the forums.

[Insoboria]

i agree with this motion... many nations and regions get commendation for preposterous achievements