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[DEFEATED] Condemn the Invaders

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Ainland
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Ex-Nation

Postby Ainland » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:31 am

DrWinner wrote:The SC exists as both a part of the game and as part of our real life feelings, and thus, voting FOR this bill means that you support this organization receving the benefit of having a condemnation, which, in the raider world, means you're tough enough for the SC to have to notice you. That's a big benefit for the raiders.

We Are Not the NSA wrote:Debates in the Security Council are a mixture of out of character (OOC) and in character (IC), depending on the preference of the poster and the context of the proposal being debated.

I must say, this is a concept I find rather difficult to understand. I do accept that some people wish to focus entirely on the mechanics of the game, and have no part in role play whatsoever. That's totally understandable and absolutely fine. However, we simply cannot deny the fact that even the game itself is 'in character'. Obviously you understand that your nation is not actually a real country in the real world (I hope you do!). And you understand that you yourself are not really the leader of an actual country. Perhaps you choose to ignore these elements and 'play' the game from an entirely technical perspective - making 'decisions' solely based on trying to manipulate or figure out the mechanics of the way the game works. But when it comes to the Security Council, when you are writing or reading resolutions, you surely understand that this is make believe? That such writings are not written in a genuine, real world, sense?

So whilst I accept that some may be very keen to avoid any form of role play at all costs, one simply cannot deny the nature of this game, such that even so-called 'gameplayers' are engaging in some form of 'in character' behaviour, even more so when it comes to the 'World Assembly'.

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The Bruce
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Postby The Bruce » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:52 am

The Invaders seems to need a puff piece condemnation instead of actually earning a real one.

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Silky Smooth
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Postby Silky Smooth » Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:41 pm

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N27
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Postby N27 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:00 am

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Due to the fact that this proposal is clearly a self-condemnation, and the fact that condemning regions publicly is nearly identical to telling them we are scared of them, N27 will be voting against this proposal for condemnation, and for any other condemnation presented to the security council.

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Corujea
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Postby Corujea » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:49 am

The Saint James Islands wrote:As a member state of the Social Liberal Union, I am categorically opposed to giving the Invaders more publicity, even if this didn't smell like a self-condemnation. Against.


That's my line of reasoning as well. Against.

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Syel Lakai
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Postby Syel Lakai » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:34 pm

Okay, so I'm new to the World Assembly, but I have to ask. What does condemnation do that will be so helpful?
(http://tinyurl.com/grug6o4)

All it does is say that 'The Invaders' are bad. That's not useful at all, especially since it seems that they want people to know that.

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Free Outer Eugenia
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Postby Free Outer Eugenia » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:50 pm

Surely there is some room for compromise here. What if the proposal were rewritten to reflect the fact that the Invaders are so grossly incompetent that they're worthy of condemnation on those grounds alone?
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Hayeri
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Postby Hayeri » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:51 pm

Not today. Besides, HYDRA is the true threat.
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Adevia-Ardvilla
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Postby Adevia-Ardvilla » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:53 pm

Okay. Why do the Delegates keep approving these proposals, written by nations who only joined the WA to make the proposals and then leave?

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Hayeri
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Postby Hayeri » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:57 pm

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:Okay. Why do the Delegates keep approving these proposals, written by nations who only joined the WA to make the proposals and then leave?

Well, let's just do something else. I'll have to make proposals to look for territories taken by HYDRA.
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The Saint James Islands
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Postby The Saint James Islands » Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:07 pm

Syel Lakai wrote:Okay, so I'm new to the World Assembly, but I have to ask. What does condemnation do that will be so helpful?
(http://tinyurl.com/grug6o4)

All it does is say that 'The Invaders' are bad. That's not useful at all, especially since it seems that they want people to know that.

Absolutely nothing. If anything, it will give the Invaders something to brag about in recruitment telegrams.
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The Greater Siriusian Domain
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:29 pm

Teran Saber: "Due to the suspect nature of this condemnation, the Greater Siriusian Domain is opposed. However, we would be willing to vote for a condemnation of The Invaders if it wasn't a blatantly obvious attempt at a self-condemn. Seriously, there needs to be a rule against self-condemns."
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Tretrid
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Postby Tretrid » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:01 am

"Condemn The Invaders" was defeated 11,237 votes to 5,733.
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Adevia-Ardvilla
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Postby Adevia-Ardvilla » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:37 am

There's another one, guys and it looks likely to pass again.

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Postby Mousebumples » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:33 pm

Adevia-Ardvilla wrote:There's another one, guys and it looks likely to pass again.

Pass or reach quorum? Those are not the same thing.
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Deimosan
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Postby Deimosan » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:21 pm

This has to be a joke, The Invades do not need more publicity.

Voted against.

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:38 pm

Deimosan wrote:This has to be a joke, The Invades do not need more publicity.

Voted against.

Wrong thread: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=392740
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