Repeal "Condemn Macedon"

[Canton Empire]

The World Assembly,
Noting that the region Macedon is now empty and dead,
Realizing that the natives of Macedon now reside in Macedonia,
Asserting that the condemnation of Macedon is unnecessary,
Suggesting that this condemnation would be better serving if it was applied to Macedonia,
Further asserting that the original resolution has served it purpose,
Disgusted that Macedon has used this condemnation as a badge of honor,
Believing that Macedon is also no longer deserving of it's condmenation,
Hereby Repeals SC#1, "Condemn Macedon"

[We Are Not the NSA]

The World Assembly,
Noting that the region Macedon is now empty and dead,

"Empty" isn't exactly accurate.

Realizing that the natives of Macedon now reside in Macedonia,

Asserting that the condemnation of Macedon is unnecessary,

But... Why?

Suggesting that this condemnation would be better serving if it was applied to Macedonia,

Has Macedonia really done that much since they moved from Macedon? If not, I don't see the point in repealing the resolution that was the reason the SC was formed just to Condemn the natives for what they're already condemned for.

Further asserting that the original resolution has served it purpose,

"It" should be "its".

Disgusted that Macedon has used this condemnation as a badge of honor,

This isn't true at all. It's a pretty widely known fact that Macedon didn't want the badge. That, plus your specific phrasing, leads me to believe you're using the "they see it as a Badge of Honor" strawman used against all Condemnations regardless of its validity.

Believing that Macedon is also no longer deserving of it's condmenation,

"It's" should be "its". "Condmenation" should be "condemnation".

Overall my opinion is the same as with every other attempt to repeal SC #1: Against.

[Canton Empire]

The World Assembly,
Noting that the region Macedon is now empty and dead,

"Empty" isn't exactly accurate.

Realizing that the natives of Macedon now reside in Macedonia,

Asserting that the condemnation of Macedon is unnecessary,

But... Why?

Suggesting that this condemnation would be better serving if it was applied to Macedonia,

Has Macedonia really done that much since they moved from Macedon? If not, I don't see the point in repealing the resolution that was the reason the SC was formed just to Condemn the natives for what they're already condemned for.

Further asserting that the original resolution has served it purpose,

"It" should be "its".

Disgusted that Macedon has used this condemnation as a badge of honor,

This isn't true at all. It's a pretty widely known fact that Macedon didn't want the badge. That, plus your specific phrasing, leads me to believe you're using the "they see it as a Badge of Honor" strawman used against all Condemnations regardless of its validity.

Believing that Macedon is also no longer deserving of it's condmenation,

"It's" should be "its". "Condmenation" should be "condemnation".

Overall my opinion is the same as with every other attempt to repeal SC #1: Against.

Thank you for the corrections, however, on the Macedonia WFE, it says that it is proud to have that badge

[Drasnia]

Let's not give them more attention when they don't deserve it, eh?

[Telemachia]

Realizing that the natives of Macedon now reside in Macedonia,

Asserting that the condemnation of Macedon is unnecessary,

But... Why?

This. You cannot just assert a premise and its conclusion. Affirmative argumentation to its veracity must also be provided.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Another attempt to repeal "Condemn Macedon", another badge hunt.

Try and be a bit more original.

Against.

[Sedgistan]

Someone tries this every few months. My opinion remains the same as last time:

have no interest in condemning Macedon because I strongly believe they aren't and never were relevant enough to warrant eternal commemoration

Unless you were around at the time, it's hard to really understand Macedon's importance. Much of what they did happened before gameplayers made much use of the official forums, and also before this current forum existed, so any records are scattered.

It was Macedon, alongisde a few groups they worked with such as Mencer, whose actions caused gameplayers to demand a solution to the problems influence had caused with regards to region destruction - and thus led to the creation of the SC. They hawked large numbers of regions named after RW countries that could've been hubs for NSers of their respective nationalities - and many had used to be. To do this, they'd insert sleepers into regions, pretending for months to be your friends, building up the influence they needed to take the delegacy, and immediately password the region - at that point, a game over situation, and a slow death to that region's community. It wasn't just that they were the most prolific region griefers for a number of years - they did it in a really unpleasant way, usually with an aspect of frankly racist gloating involved. Their behaviour was so abhorrent that even Todd McCloud, who not too long before was griefing regions left, right and centre himself, considered them unbearable.

Macedon were significant enough that their Condemnation should stand for two reasons: first, it was their continued region destruction that highlighted key flaws in the game design that were eventually resolved through Liberation proposals. Without Macedon, we wouldn't have the Security Council. Secondly, in any demographic of gamers you'll always have those that are fun to play against - competitive, but in a good natured way, and those that are plain nasty, taking a win-at-all-costs approach, and rubbing your face in it. They took the latter to extremes.

[Todd McCloud]

Is it that time again? I guess it's been a while since the last person tried to repeal it.

EDIT: Like Sedge, I'll repost my thoughts from the last time this was defeated:

I get notifications every time a repeat of this resolution comes forward, which usually is proposed once every 1-2 months. Most of the time it doesn't reach the floor due to failing quorum or some kind of rule violation. Though, the last time it did reach the floor, the repeal was voted down 10,023 to 1,687. Too many people remember them and what they did. At the time, not even the dastardly of raiders wanted to associate with them. There's many examples on their behavior that most on this site would find abhorrent and definitely not something to emulate.

That being said, I've read this over and it doesn't use the typical arguments proposals seem to make, namely:
1. The region is now deserted therefore they shouldn't have the condemnation.
2. They've moved to the region Macedonia, and therefore we should repeal this one and condemn Macedonia

Which is good. I would say that the SC is much better at authoring these resolutions nowadays than in the past (especially when looking at some of the early resolutions I wrote), but even with the poor wording, everyone understood just how deplorable the behavior of that organization was. I think that says quite a bit, in all honesty. Condemn Macedon wasn't even the first resolution to vote; that distinction goes to Condemn Gatesville, written by Kenny, and was defeated a few days prior to this one coming to vote. Meaning that this region beat out what was arguably the most polarizing UCR region the game has ever seen. That's huge, in my opinion.

As Sedge indicated, Macedon was responsible for bringing about Liberations, especially with Belgium and France. Some other notable fights included Greece and some other Greek-themed regions among others. The SC was, from what I remember, kind of a Sandbox that was like a saloon in the old west. Always a fight, especially when it came between GAers and Gameplay, two groups that had to learn to play nice in the early going. Those old resolutions for the most part have stood the test of time because at that time one side would work to counter a resolution passed by another side. Well-written bills like Commend Jey were defeated for the most part due to this fighting early on.

At any rate, if I look at Option 2 listed above, why not pass the Condemn Macedon draft to Condemn Macedonia instead?

[Canton Empire]

So if I'm correct, this proposal stands because it reminds us why condemndations exsist in the first place and also is historical?

[We Are Not the NSA]

So if I'm correct, this proposal stands because it reminds us why condemndations exsist in the first place and also is historical?

The Security Council was formed specifically so that Macedon could be condemned. Imho, it is the only resolution that the Historical Resolution argument is completely valid for.