[DEFEATED] Commend Benevolent Thomas

[Alustrian]

Complete support.

BT has plenty of accomplishments+popularity, and he does not already have a commendation largely because no one had previously made the effort to actually write it If you run a TG approval campaign and get this resolution to vote, I expect it to pass - make sure that the resolution is comprehensive and is something that he will be proud of. Many of the players in this thread know BT quite well. Make sure to fully take them up on their offers to fill in any gaps in the resolution. Spend some time sorting through forum archives to make sure you have a complete picture. I believe that BT did something similar when working on mine, and I am pleased with the result of those efforts.

[The Stalker]

Full support, Benevolent Thomas has certainly earned one in my book.

[Stalker Queen]

Sorry about the slow responses (despite being online): slept in late to make up for a (literally) sleepless night and had to tie up other things while leaving this page open for several hours. Unfortunately when I accidentally pressed a button most of my response to this thread was erased as a result. And it was incomplete, too. Also, I'd like to apologise to Paffnia for not sending that TG: I wasn't in the best state anyway to do so. But I'm sorry anyway for keeping you waiting.

Complete support.

BT has plenty of accomplishments+popularity, and he does not already have a commendation largely because no one had previously made the effort to actually write it If you run a TG approval campaign and get this resolution to vote, I expect it to pass - make sure that the resolution is comprehensive and is something that he will be proud of. Many of the players in this thread know BT quite well. Make sure to fully take them up on their offers to fill in any gaps in the resolution. Spend some time sorting through forum archives to make sure you have a complete picture. I believe that BT did something similar when working on mine, and I am pleased with the result of those efforts.

Evening Dyr! Seriously, I can't believe why so many people have attempted commendations (and condemnations), but no-one before ever having attempted a Tommendation... I can't do a TG campaign: I'm povvo and I can't keep my PC on 24/7 to run an API. I also don't know if I'll need a campaign even given how popular Tommy is — even among raiders — unless someone decides to run a TG campaign against the proposal, for some strange reason. I've asked a few people, and I plan to ask more, as well as dumpster dive in the NS forums, and maybe offsite, too. This Tommendation should be something Tommy'll be proud of, and something he'll look upon, read, and smile in pride. And that's why I'm not going to work fast on this. I'm going to take my time and make it something special.

[Altmoras]

It's been four days, is this going anywhere?

[Stalker Queen]

It's been four days, is this going anywhere?

Heyo Alt! Sorry about the delay: I've been flat out the past week with three large assignments due in a few weeks or so, though I sent a coupla TGs to Paffnia and Dyr... only to realise that I might have sent Dyr's TG to the wrong nation i.e. probably not his main. I haven't gotten a reply from either person, and I perfectly understand if they're busy.

As for the progress... I'm currently tinkering with the wording of the part where Tommy helped refound Australia: as in, I just can't get it right for some reason...

EDIT: Updated OP with the refounding of Australia, as well as pimping that entire line.

[Deadeye Jack]

No need to rush it. I will be giving you some more information this weekend some time when I can write it up.

[Cormactopia II]

I wonder if any former Madrigal denizens would like to speak up about how Thomas and the Wardens destroyed their region and its community.

I thought that was all my fault. Or does it change when it suits you?

Full support for this proposal. I don't always support commending defenders because sometimes I think there just isn't enough substance beyond average defending to warrant it. But if there is one defender who has unquestionably earned commendation, and is far from average, it's Thomas.

[Ikania]

I wonder if any former Madrigal denizens would like to speak up about how Thomas and the Wardens destroyed their region and its community.

I thought that was all my fault. Or does it change when it suits you?

Full support for this proposal. I don't always support commending defenders because sometimes I think there just isn't enough substance beyond average defending to warrant it. But if there is one defender who has unquestionably earned commendation, and is far from average, it's Thomas.

It's both. You can't pass the buck on this one either. I didn't include you this time because I figured I had trashed you enough already. You're a raider now anyway so it's irrelevant to the commendation, even if you'll be back to defending in two weeks, then back to raiding, etc.

[Syberis]

I thought that was all my fault. Or does it change when it suits you?

Full support for this proposal. I don't always support commending defenders because sometimes I think there just isn't enough substance beyond average defending to warrant it. But if there is one defender who has unquestionably earned commendation, and is far from average, it's Thomas.

It's both. You can't pass the buck on this one either. I didn't include you this time because I figured I had trashed you enough already. You're a raider now anyway so it's irrelevant to the commendation, even if you'll be back to defending in two weeks, then back to raiding, etc.

Oh? I look forward to meeting Cormac on the tag fields, then.

[Stalker Queen]

No need to rush it. I will be giving you some more information this weekend some time when I can write it up.

Hello again Jack! That would be amazing, thanks so much: feel free to pop it in Discord. Also, as you said there's no need to rush it. Take care of yourself and also don't forget to enjoy your weekend, too!

Also, don't forget to stay on-topic, folks. I appreciate the debate but please don't go overboard with it!

[Stalker Queen]

Update:

I'm really sorry about neglecting this for a long time. I've been dealing with lots of personal problems and I've had a very hectic real-life, with assignments, exams and all that crap really soon. You might also have noticed me less active in some aspects of NS, too.

And as a raider, I have considerably limited access to sources of information on Tommy. But this proposal has not been abandoned. Funkadelia has offered to become a Co-Author, for which I am very grateful. Again, I am very sorry for the lack of updates on this.

Now if I could just figure out how to format "Co-authored by Funkadelia"...

[We Are Not the NSA]

Now if I could just figure out how to format "Co-authored by Funkadelia"...[/align]

My Advice: You won't. No matter what you do the "co-authored" clause always looks out of place. :\

[Ryanimus]

I'll be willing to act as a proxy and supply the stamps necessary for a telegram campaign supporting this commendation if necessary.

[Shizensky]

A slight update for the sake of accuracy: Benevolent Thomas is no longer the primary Chief Executive of the Renegade Islands Alliance. I (the original Shiz) have retaken control of the nation and all associated responsibilities and authority. This does not take away from anything BT accomplished while he was in control, and rewording this in the commendation might be as simple as saying "As acting Chief Executive of Renegade Islands Alliance"

[Stalker Queen]

I'll be willing to act as a proxy and supply the stamps necessary for a telegram campaign supporting this commendation if necessary.

Hello there Ryanimus! Thanks for popping by and also, I'm very, very thankful for the offer: I'm currently not sure about when I'll be able to get this proposal submitted (or when I'll be able to get two endorsements from tarting in my home region), but Funkadelia (my co-author) has been searching for a few more clauses to put into the proposal, and I don't know how long it'll take him, though I have advised him to take all the time he needs. However, I feel personally that you should keep your money: you work very hard for it, and you should keep it to get a little something nice for yourself.

A slight update for the sake of accuracy: Benevolent Thomas is no longer the primary Chief Executive of the Renegade Islands Alliance. I (the original Shiz) have retaken control of the nation and all associated responsibilities and authority. This does not take away from anything BT accomplished while he was in control, and rewording this in the commendation might be as simple as saying "As acting Chief Executive of Renegade Islands Alliance"

Hello there Shiz! Welcome back! I've reworded the clause to include "acting". Thanks so much for letting me know, too! It's good to see you again! I admit, I kept getting confused as to whether Tommy posting with your nation was you or him, and it also took me a while to figure out you were using Korallia.

[Applebania]

This proposal has my full support.

[Stalker Queen]

Update:

Added some final touches to the draft (see: OP). There might be a bit more to add, too, so it won't be submitted yet.

[Louisistan]

First Warden and Founder of The Order of The Grey Wardens, going one step further than others of the defender cause by leading offensives to strike invader nations at their very hearts, mobilising it into the largest, most active defender force in the present era, and heralding a new age of defending to the world;

That may be overstating it a little. TITO and other defender orgs have been doing this for over 10 years, though not in the same frequency as the Wardens do.

[Stalker Queen]

First Warden and Founder of The Order of The Grey Wardens, going one step further than others of the defender cause by leading offensives to strike invader nations at their very hearts, mobilising it into the largest, most active defender force in the present era, and heralding a new age of defending to the world;

That may be overstating it a little. TITO and other defender orgs have been doing this for over 10 years, though not in the same frequency as the Wardens do.

Hello there Louisistan! Thanks for popping by! Would adding "most" to "others of the defender cause" be a better idea?

EDIT: I admit I have a bit of trouble in keeping up-to-date with R/D in these days since I've mostly withdrawn for real-life reasons.

[Shizensky]

A difference may be that the Wardens adopted the offensive angle as a core part of their operation, whereas no other defender groups I'm aware of have advertised their willingness and mission to strike vulnerable raider regions. We've always talked about ourselves as defenders and protectors first, and we only celebrate our aggressiveness after a successful operation against raider interests. I believe that the mission of the Wardens does indeed set them apart from other defenders.

[Funkadelia]

A difference may be that the Wardens adopted the offensive angle as a core part of their operation, whereas no other defender groups I'm aware of have advertised their willingness and mission to strike vulnerable raider regions. We've always talked about ourselves as defenders and protectors first, and we only celebrate our aggressiveness after a successful operation against raider interests. I believe that the mission of the Wardens does indeed set them apart from other defenders.

I was going to write a longer reply, but I would just be echoing this.

[Louisistan]

A difference may be that the Wardens adopted the offensive angle as a core part of their operation, whereas no other defender groups I'm aware of have advertised their willingness and mission to strike vulnerable raider regions. We've always talked about ourselves as defenders and protectors first, and we only celebrate our aggressiveness after a successful operation against raider interests. I believe that the mission of the Wardens does indeed set them apart from other defenders.

That is true. But it's not what the proposal said, so I just thought I'd point it out.

[Stalker Queen]

A difference may be that the Wardens adopted the offensive angle as a core part of their operation, whereas no other defender groups I'm aware of have advertised their willingness and mission to strike vulnerable raider regions. We've always talked about ourselves as defenders and protectors first, and we only celebrate our aggressiveness after a successful operation against raider interests. I believe that the mission of the Wardens does indeed set them apart from other defenders.

That is true. But it's not what the proposal said, so I just thought I'd point it out.

Sorry about taking so long to get to this: I wasn't home till only an hour or two and I was spending that time trying to unwind. I'm actually having trouble to word this, and I'm really sorry about the oversight. I'm not sure how to alter the wording, that's the thing. I'm on my way to bed and I can't access Discord at school on my phone for a number of reasons I won't go into detail on, and that's the only way besides TGs that I can contact Funk. If you don't mind me asking... how might you suggest altering the wording?

[Shizensky]

A difference may be that the Wardens adopted the offensive angle as a core part of their operation, whereas no other defender groups I'm aware of have advertised their willingness and mission to strike vulnerable raider regions. We've always talked about ourselves as defenders and protectors first, and we only celebrate our aggressiveness after a successful operation against raider interests. I believe that the mission of the Wardens does indeed set them apart from other defenders.

That is true. But it's not what the proposal said, so I just thought I'd point it out.

Right, and I didn't mean to be combative or defensive if things came across that way. I just meant to add some insight that might help lead to a proper message.

If you don't mind me asking... how might you suggest altering the wording?

going one step further than others of the defender cause by leading offensives to strike invader nations at their very hearts

to something like

going one step further than others of the defender cause by making offensive strikes against invader nations a core part of the organization's mission

[Eist]

Full support!