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by Cormactopia II » Tue May 03, 2016 12:21 am
by Christian Democrats » Tue May 03, 2016 12:32 am
Cormactopia II wrote:In less snarky terms: I think the "real-world equivalent" you're looking for would be exile rather than execution.
Cormactopia II wrote:Of course, NationStates gameplay is really nothing at all like the real world, so referring to a "real-world equivalent" is fairly meaningless.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by Pierconium » Tue May 03, 2016 2:06 am
Christian Democrats wrote:OOCCormactopia II wrote:In less snarky terms: I think the "real-world equivalent" you're looking for would be exile rather than execution.
Yeah, you're right. That comparison would have been a better choice.Cormactopia II wrote:Of course, NationStates gameplay is really nothing at all like the real world, so referring to a "real-world equivalent" is fairly meaningless.
I disagree. If we're roleplaying governments, then we ought to act with at least some decorum.
by Consular » Tue May 03, 2016 2:18 am
by Pierconium » Tue May 03, 2016 2:23 am
Consular wrote:Cormac rolling around in those double standards there.
by Solorni » Tue May 03, 2016 5:32 am
Christian Democrats wrote:Cormac, we pretty much agree on this point. I've been an opponent of forum oligarchy for longer than you've played this game. It's one reason why Right to Life, the region I founded, elects its president/delegate on the main page. (Voting is open to all WA residents.)
Funkadelia wrote:As with the numerous failed repeals of "Condemn Macedonia," just because a region has stopped doing something doesn't take away the fact that they've done it.
by Consular » Tue May 03, 2016 5:38 am
Pierconium wrote:How does the authorship influence the merit of the proposal?
by Guy » Tue May 03, 2016 7:44 am
Solorni wrote:Christian Democrats wrote:Cormac, we pretty much agree on this point. I've been an opponent of forum oligarchy for longer than you've played this game. It's one reason why Right to Life, the region I founded, elects its president/delegate on the main page. (Voting is open to all WA residents.)
Yeah, but isn't Right to Life a region many would find despicable for it's stances against female rights? So it's pretty ironic to critique the NPO when you run boast of a region that many find barbaric.
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Sandaoguo » Tue May 03, 2016 8:09 am
Benevolent Thomas wrote:If there was a campaign, it is going to reach quorum. If it reaches quorum it is going to pass. All of the GCRs excluding Lazarus and TRR are going to vote for it, because they are all "special" or something and several large UCRs will vote in favor of the repeal to spite Lazarus at the behest of their imperialist overlords. There is no point in fighting this. Your effort is better spent applauding Cormac for his bravery in taking on such a controversial topic and having the maturity to be able to evolve on it.
I always knew you had it in ya, buddy
by Solorni » Tue May 03, 2016 8:10 am
Guy wrote:Solorni wrote:Yeah, but isn't Right to Life a region many would find despicable for it's stances against female rights? So it's pretty ironic to critique the NPO when you run boast of a region that many find barbaric.
Isn't this just ad-hominem? I happen to disagree with CD on both points, but just because he's wrong on one (abortion) doesn't mean anything about the merits of his stance on the other, and it's kind of weird to raise it.
by Pierconium » Tue May 03, 2016 8:12 am
by DrWinner » Tue May 03, 2016 8:42 am
by Solorni » Tue May 03, 2016 8:45 am
by Crazy girl » Tue May 03, 2016 8:50 am
DrWinner wrote:From what I can tell, the main problem people have with this document is its author, so, by that logic...
If it fails, I will submit it again, with no changes, and we shall see just how much the votes against are because of hatred for the author or because of hatred for The Pacific's current government. Which I support wholeheartedly. As, honestly, stability is a great thing to have in a region, and the NPO gives a great deal of stability.
by DrWinner » Tue May 03, 2016 8:56 am
by North East Somerset » Tue May 03, 2016 8:56 am
by Crazy girl » Tue May 03, 2016 9:06 am
DrWinner wrote:Very well, I'll be sure to contact the author for permission, then. Thank you for the warning.
by Weed » Tue May 03, 2016 9:33 am
by John Turner » Tue May 03, 2016 10:16 am
Pierconium wrote:The Pacific Order wins an election within the Pacific twice every day.
Cormactopia II wrote:Pierconium wrote:The Pacific Order wins an open election within the Pacific twice every day.
But of course this decision made by hundreds of people twice a day is somehow less democratic than a dozen to two dozen people, at most, voting on an off-site forum once every few months.
#SecurityCouncilLogic
Pierconium wrote:They do not work for a region that wants a stable government.
Pierconium wrote:How does the authorship influence the merit of the proposal?
Consular wrote:Are we doing that thing where we pretend personal feuds don't dictate what happens in this game?
Pierconium wrote:Consular wrote:Are we doing that thing where we pretend personal feuds don't dictate what happens in this game?
I am a realist and I know that such things are a great indicator of what happens here in NationStates. However, just because we all know that it happens does not mean it should pass without comment.
John Turner wrote:Oh.... And it wasn't drafted on the forums. That makes it automatically illegal, doesn't it?
by Pierconium » Tue May 03, 2016 10:44 am
by Myrth » Tue May 03, 2016 11:03 am
by Pergamon » Tue May 03, 2016 11:05 am
John Turner wrote:-snip-
by Cormactopia II » Tue May 03, 2016 1:01 pm
Pierconium wrote:I asked earlier if there were other examples of a year being 'too soon' for a repeal when the region in question has addressed nearly every complaint within a condemnation and did not receive a reply. Several nations, including TNP's Delegate, have notified me that they approve of the repeal in its current form and would approve of it had it been submitted by another nation. How does the authorship influence the merit of the proposal?
Crazy girl wrote:DrWinner wrote:From what I can tell, the main problem people have with this document is its author, so, by that logic...
If it fails, I will submit it again, with no changes, and we shall see just how much the votes against are because of hatred for the author or because of hatred for The Pacific's current government. Which I support wholeheartedly. As, honestly, stability is a great thing to have in a region, and the NPO gives a great deal of stability.
You do that, without permission, and I will pull the proposal and kick you out of the WA. There is a rule against plagiarism.
by Christian Democrats » Tue May 03, 2016 1:51 pm
Solorni wrote:Guy wrote:Isn't this just ad-hominem? I happen to disagree with CD on both points, but just because he's wrong on one (abortion) doesn't mean anything about the merits of his stance on the other, and it's kind of weird to raise it.
How is it strange, he is critiquing the NPO for its governance yet his region is governed in a way that most would find repulsive.
Region | Form of Government | Content of Government |
The Pacific | One-party system, dictatorship | Francoism (minus the name now) |
Right to Life | Multi-party system, representative democracy | Advocacy for prenatal rights |
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
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