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I know this isn't the first time this has been tried. Heck, I know this isn't the first time I've tried this. But it must be done, and it must be done soon:

DRAFT: Repeal "Condemn Omigodtheykilledkenny"

The Security Council,

NOTING that the resolution, “Condemn Omigodtheykilledkenny”, was passed in on 10 Mar 2010 with an overwhelming margin,

UNDERSTANDING that at the time, the profile of Omigodtheykilledkenny was “undisclosed” and “very hush-hush”,

POINTING OUT that since the passage of this resolution, Omigodtheykilledkenny has increased its international transparency,

REALIZING that Omigodtheykilledkenny has employed the Creative Solutions Agency to pursue loopholes to General Assembly (GA) resolutions,

BELIEVING that this exploitation of GA-specific loopholes is a cause amoral to the Security Council and therefore undeserving of condemnation,

NOTING WITH CONTEMPT that this Council has previously failed to repeal this condemnation due to requests made by the nation of Omigodtheykilledkenny not to repeal the previously passed condemnation,

HAVING CONSIDERED that the stated purpose of a Condemnation is to “express shock and dismay at a nation or region”,

UNDERSTANDING that, at least in the opinion of Omigodtheykilledkenny, this Condemnation is a badge of honor rather than a badge of shame, and appealing rather than appalling,

SCOLDING the nations of this Council for not repealing this ineffective Condemnation sooner,

REPEALS Security Council Resolution #17, “Condemn Omigodtheykilledkenny”.

I am looking for suggestions in a couple of areas.

1. Does this proposal violate SC regulations in any way, shape or form, or could it be misinterpreted to do so by an overly officious delegate?
2. Should anything be added to or deleted from this proposal? Do you have any further suggestions?

Opposed. OMGTKK wants that condemnation and I'm prepared to help make it stay. You'll find many other people who will express similar opinion on the subject.

Wouldn't you agree that the fact that OMGTKK wants the condemnation badge means that he feels it's a badge of honor, meaning that it's ineffective and should be taken away? (On a separate note, is there anything I can do to this proposal that would cause you to change your opinion?)

I will certainly be recommending to TWP's Delegate that he does not approve this repeal should it be submitted and stomps "Against" it in the unlikely circumstances it makes it to vote.

Let Kenny keep his badge, he deserves it.

The Lanthanides wrote:Wouldn't you agree that the fact that OMGTKK wants the condemnation badge means that he feels it's a badge of honor, meaning that it's ineffective and should be taken away? (On a separate note, is there anything I can do to this proposal that would cause you to change your opinion?)

And why exactly do you feel that Kenny doesn't deserve a badge of honour?
In his case it's a reward for entertaining RP, and for services to the NS-UN & GA, with a 'Condemn' considered more appropriate than a 'Commend' because of his nation's nature.

"AGAINST."

IC: No, no, no, no, no! Won't someone, please, just, think of the dolphins!

Wrapper wrote:IC: No, no, no, no, no! Won't someone, please, just, think of the dolphins!

But OMGTKK has explicitly stated that the nation's dolphin-persecuting days are over (c.f. this post)!

Bears Armed wrote:And why exactly do you feel that Kenny doesn't deserve a badge of honour?

Of course Kenny deserves a badge of honour! I'd say he definitely deserves a Commendation! However, despite people pointing out multiple times that if I feel Kenny should be commended, I should just do that and not repeal his condemnation, I still feel that Kenny being condemned seems wrong when he hadn't done anything that condemnable, and he has made amends on the condemnable actions of that nation's shady past. Kenny is now a contributing member of WA society (not that he ever wasn't), and we should acknowledge that by repealing that Condemnation.

The Lanthanides wrote:Of course Kenny deserves a badge of honour! I'd say he definitely deserves a Commendation! However, despite people pointing out multiple times that if I feel Kenny should be commended, I should just do that and not repeal his condemnation, I still feel that Kenny being condemned seems wrong when he hadn't done anything that condemnable, and he has made amends on the condemnable actions of that nation's shady past. Kenny is now a contributing member of WA society (not that he ever wasn't), and we should acknowledge that by repealing that Condemnation.

Condemnations are not reprimands. They are badges just like Commendations. Commendations are badges to say that one has played the game well. Condemnations are badges to say that one has played the game well, while roleplaying it in an evil manner.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Condemnations are not reprimands. They are badges just like Commendations. Commendations are badges to say that one has played the game well. Condemnations are badges to say that one has played the game well, while roleplaying it in an evil manner.

I would agree that Condemnations are not reprimands, as they do not do anything except their stated purpose (expressed in preambulatory clause 7): "HAVING CONSIDERED that the stated purpose of a Condemnation is to 'express shock and dismay at a nation or region',"

By the same token, I would disagree with the notion that condemnations are "badges to say that one has played the game well while roleplaying it in an evil manner" for the same reason.

The Lanthanides wrote:

Wrapper wrote:IC: No, no, no, no, no! Won't someone, please, just, think of the dolphins!

But OMGTKK has explicitly stated that the nation's dolphin-persecuting days are over (c.f. this post)!

They're lying!

(Did you actually read that post or not?)

"Oh, no. Not lie, Captain. Merely 'manipulate the truth.' For example, our systematic slaughter of dolphins over international waters...we just gloss over that by producing the Palentine dolphins from the shark tank in our front office, whom we've never harmed, and will actually profess our love for aquatic mammals...in the most shocking, ear-splitting, profane way possible, of course, but still..."

Wrapper wrote:They're lying!

(Did you actually read that post or not?)

"Oh, no. Not lie, Captain. Merely 'manipulate the truth.' For example, our systematic slaughter of dolphins over international waters...we just gloss over that by producing the Palentine dolphins from the shark tank in our front office, whom we've never harmed, and will actually profess our love for aquatic mammals...in the most shocking, ear-splitting, profane way possible, of course, but still..."

Of course I read that post! They have blatantly admitted to attempts to manipulate the truth, but it falls short of lying, AND they have indicated a desire to have their dolphin-killing past glossed over, meaning they don't intend on committing these heinous offenses anymore. And, although it is shocking, ear-splitting, and profane, they are willing to profess their love for aquatic mammals. I don't see how any of this is condemnable.

The Lanthanides wrote:

Wrapper wrote:They're lying!

(Did you actually read that post or not?)

Of course I read that post! They have blatantly admitted to attempts to manipulate the truth, but it falls short of lying, AND they have indicated a desire to have their dolphin-killing past glossed over, meaning they don't intend on committing these heinous offenses anymore. And, although it is shocking, ear-splitting, and profane, they are willing to profess their love for aquatic mammals. I don't see how any of this is condemnable.

There are no indications that they have discontinued the slaughter of dolphins. Don't be fooled by their government propaganda!

Wrapper wrote:There are no indications that they have discontinued the slaughter of dolphins. Don't be fooled by their government propaganda!

It's not government propaganda. The only reason Kenny still has his condemnation is because he likes it. It's common knowledge that his government has stopped dolphin-killing, but weirdly has taken high amounts of effort to prevent his condemnation badge from being revoked. If the Security Council is to adhere to its principles with regard to the disbursement of Condemnation badges, it can only condemn a nation when it wishes to express shock and dismay about its actions. As I understand it, the SC is neither shocked nor dismayed by Kenny's actions. That is why this Condemnation needs to be repealed.

Just take one look at their news ticker at the top of their page: Vast toxic wastelands, a news announcer yelling "FUCK YOU DOLPHIN!", space station sabotage, some cyborg race of lactating attack robot and OH MY GOD LOOK LOOK THERE THEY ARE MURDERING THOSE POOR INNOCENT DOLPHINS! OH, THE HUMANITY! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT oh hey those Easter eggs in sunglasses are actually kind of cute....

No. his condemnation should stay, there is no reason in our mind to repeal it.

Is the fact that Kenny views it as a badge of honor somehow not enough for you?

The Lanthanides wrote:Is the fact that Kenny views it as a badge of honor somehow not enough for you?

No. If a deserving nation says "go ahead and condemn us" are we supposed to say "well if that's the way you feel about it...."?

The Lanthanides wrote:Is the fact that Kenny views it as a badge of honor somehow not enough for you?

Is the fact that the Kennyites blew up the chamber the last time you brought this up not enough for you? Why the f* do you want to repeal the condemnation of a nation that blows up international bodies for fun (and profit)?

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Is the fact that the Kennyites blew up the chamber the last time you brought this up not enough for you? Why the f* do you want to repeal the condemnation of a nation that blows up international bodies for fun (and profit)?

Oh, Kenny. Your nation didn't blow up the Security Council. Captain Chiang's boy did. That adolescent b*****d didn't represent the intentions of your government. Look at the profanity Mr. Riley uttered when that action occurred. We all know that deep down inside, your administration resents Chiang for being so skeptical of a condemnation repeal. That's what's really going on here.

The Lanthanides wrote:

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Is the fact that the Kennyites blew up the chamber the last time you brought this up not enough for you? Why the f* do you want to repeal the condemnation of a nation that blows up international bodies for fun (and profit)?

Oh, Kenny. Your nation didn't blow up the Security Council. Captain Chiang's boy did. That adolescent b*****d didn't represent the intentions of your government.

Even though he's the Kennyite Ambassador to the World Assembly? He's even mentioned in the condemantion!

And let us not forget your final judgment after that incident occurred:

The Lanthanides wrote:Kenny, I can see why you're condemned now.

EDIT: "b*****d"? Is that supposed to mean blowhard?

Can we just sticky a list of resolutions that are never going to pass in this forum? People can still be free to try repealing condemnations such as Kenny's or Macedon, but at least they'd know going in that they will lose.

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:And let us not forget your final judgment after that incident occurred:

The Lanthanides wrote:Kenny, I can see why you're condemned now.

EDIT: "b*****d"? Is that supposed to mean blowhard?

I will respond to both of those points. First, I saw why you were condemned: you were annoying. Then I thought better. I'm not shocked or dismayed by the fact that you were or are annoying. Therefore, your condemnation isn't appropriate for the circumstances and must be repealed. On a separate note, b*****ds refer to the people that kill Kenny on a semi-daily basis.

Benevolent Thomas wrote:Can we just sticky a list of resolutions that are never going to pass in this forum? People can still be free to try repealing condemnations such as Kenny's or Macedon, but at least they'd know going in that they will lose.

Hey man! I almost won okay! It took Kenny pulling out a 30 or so dollar stamp campaign to keep that badge. But yeah, this is a waste of time. I somehow doubt the author has the skillz to pull off the backroom negotiating needed to get the votes for this one.

What happened last time this went to vote... was that it was utterly smashed by superdelegates. Utterly smashed.

I look forward to voting this down whenever it makes it to a vote.