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[DRAFT] Repeal "Commend Vancouvia"

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Postby John Turner » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:33 pm

Wadden-Amrum wrote:
Wrapper wrote:Aside from the obvious illegalities (read the rules, there are only four of them)? Yeah, the fact that the commendation isn't an inevitability.

Please tell me which ones? I'm willing to change parts to make it legal.


:palm: If you actually READ THE RULES you would be able to figure that out for yourself. I mean, is it really that hard? You found the forum, and the rules are stickies right there at the top. Just read them for Christ's sake, and the world will be a better place.

Bitely wrote:
Wadden-Amrum wrote: :roll:

Because I don't have the same amounts of money you do?

At least I'm taking advice for it.

No because you didn't take time to read the rules. My proposals where all legel.


Yet you couldn't be bothered to read the rules that say not to multy? It seems selective reading is strong in this one.
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Postby Bitely » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:37 pm

Bitely wrote:
Wadden-Amrum wrote: :roll:

Because I don't have the same amounts of money you do?

At least I'm taking advice for it.

No because you didn't take time to read the rules. My proposals where all legel.

P.s. I was referring to THE commendation. Not the repeal. You just need to fix a couple things and it wouldbe ok.
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:39 pm

The topic is "Repeal "Commend Vancouvia"", not "Bitely".

I would much prefer not to have to hand out warnings for threadjacking, but if it becomes necessary, I will.

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Postby John Turner » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:47 pm

My apologies Sedge.
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Postby Wadden-Amrum » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:05 pm

John Turner wrote:My apologies Sedge.

I'll take your criticism. I've decided to abandon this and lurk again in the shadows.
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Postby Konoganistan » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:31 pm

Wadden-Amrum wrote:
John Turner wrote:My apologies Sedge.

I'll take your criticism. I've decided to abandon this and lurk again in the shadows.


Here, Wadden, don't give up so soon! Let me be constructive and point out the flaws I found, according to the rules. Anyone, please, if I'm wrong, correct me duly. (I'm also trying to learn)

You must refer to nations as nations, not as the player behind them. This includes the use of pronouns such as "he" or "she" as opposed to "they".

You have one of them after ALSO.


Don't use proposals to raise issues that should be dealt with elsewhere, such as rules violations and technical suggestions.

I think renders your NOTICING statement illegal, as it pertains to rule violations (Vancouvia approving illegal proposals).


I'm wrong, as Vancouvia himself puts it:
Vancouvia wrote:It's not "illegal" to approve proposals, whether they're legal or illegal.

Repeals should address the contents of the resolution they're repealing, and not by just stating the reverse of the arguments given in the resolution.

I think invalidate your FURTHER statement, as, although Vancouvia might or might not ramble about a WA elite (Honestly, idk, as I said, I'm kinda new around here.), got nothing to do with his commendation.

That being said, with a little bit of word trickery, and stating things differently, you could turn this into a condemnation instead, which I think would be more appropriate (eg.: counter the commendation with a condemnation while it's still a proposal).
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Postby Vancouvia » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:36 pm

It's not "illegal" to approve proposals, whether they're legal or illegal.

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Postby Konoganistan » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:48 pm

Vancouvia wrote:It's not "illegal" to approve proposals, whether they're legal or illegal.

You're absolutely right. I corrected it.

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Postby Wadden-Amrum » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:13 pm

Yes, this was a mess. I recognise that and abandoned it.
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Postby Bitely » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:37 pm

Wadden-Amrum wrote:Yes, this was a mess. I recognise that and abandoned it.

Just don't abandon the World Assembly.
Study up on the rules and continue getting involved.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:45 pm

Bitely wrote:
Wadden-Amrum wrote:Yes, this was a mess. I recognise that and abandoned it.

Just don't abandon the World Assembly.
Study up on the rules and continue getting involved.

W-A is not a fresh-faced newbie. They are well aware of how things work.

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Postby We Are The NSA » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:23 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Bitely wrote:Just don't abandon the World Assembly.
Study up on the rules and continue getting involved.

W-A is not a fresh-faced newbie. They are well aware of how things work.

If I'm not mistaken, they're new to the SC council.

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Postby Tinfect » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:25 pm

We Are The NSA wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:W-A is not a fresh-faced newbie. They are well aware of how things work.

If I'm not mistaken, they're new to the SC council.


Most of the nonsense that has sprung up in the SC recently has been proposed by GAers, or newbies in general. GAers tend not to spend too much time in the SC, what with the Gameplay takeover of the chamber and all.
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Postby We Are The NSA » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:31 pm

Tinfect wrote:
We Are The NSA wrote:If I'm not mistaken, they're new to the SC council.


Most of the nonsense that has sprung up in the SC recently has been proposed by GAers, or newbies in general. GAers tend not to spend too much time in the SC, what with the Gameplay takeover of the chamber and all.

Don't blame the gameplayers, we usually aren't the ones who write resolutions (trust me on that :P).

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:12 pm

Tinfect wrote:
We Are The NSA wrote:If I'm not mistaken, they're new to the SC council.


Most of the nonsense that has sprung up in the SC recently has been proposed by GAers, or newbies in general. GAers tend not to spend too much time in the SC, what with the Gameplay takeover of the chamber and all.

Gameplay being just no fun, of course we wouldn't!

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