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QCAZZ
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Postby QCAZZ » Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:40 pm

Why are people always proposing to liberate The Black Riders. This should not happen and hopefully it never will. I doesn't matter if the General Assembly or the Security Council is bias because we all vote for the best interest in the World Assembly.
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CreepyCut
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Postby CreepyCut » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:58 pm

Resistance is futile.

AGAINST shall triumph.
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Doctorpotterstuck
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Postby Doctorpotterstuck » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:09 pm

oh, the irony.

oh, how the mighty have fallen.

i'm voting no because they invaded and ruined my old region which contained my favorite members of this site.

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Unradik Slar
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Postby Unradik Slar » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:03 am

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Riftdania
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Postby Riftdania » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:57 am

You know by voting against you assist the members of TBR in regaining their home?

This is why I and Sanctum are voting against x
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"Rifty to break Security Council by founding a region in it." ~ Ridersyl
"Is known for going after people who offend him." ~ Ever-Wandering Souls
"One of the best leaders you can find." ~ Aenglaland

"Damn funk you got caught with basic logic" ~ Canton Empire
"I know how the Veterans work around here" ~ Jachaelter
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Prophet of Sanctum
Lieutenant of DEN
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Merc Warrior of Cimmeria

Prophet Alphonse Silverstorm
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Mundiferrum
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Postby Mundiferrum » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:07 am

Riftdania wrote:You know by voting against you assist the members of TBR in regaining their home?

This is why I and Sanctum are voting against x

I have a feeling 50% of the "against" votes, at least from the non-delegates, are actually because of this ignorance. But shh!
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Riftdania
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Postby Riftdania » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:53 am

Mundiferrum wrote:
Riftdania wrote:You know by voting against you assist the members of TBR in regaining their home?

This is why I and Sanctum are voting against x

I have a feeling 50% of the "against" votes, at least from the non-delegates, are actually because of this ignorance. But shh!

They always are buddy. The moment a side gets a strong lead it doesn't matter what is said; They all just follow like sheep.
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"Rifty to break Security Council by founding a region in it." ~ Ridersyl
"Is known for going after people who offend him." ~ Ever-Wandering Souls
"One of the best leaders you can find." ~ Aenglaland

"Damn funk you got caught with basic logic" ~ Canton Empire
"I know how the Veterans work around here" ~ Jachaelter
*Insert plot* ~ Gradea
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Prophet of Sanctum
Lieutenant of DEN
Consigliere (Chief) of Equinox
Merc Warrior of Cimmeria

Prophet Alphonse Silverstorm
Independent Oppertunist

"Loyalty to my purpose - Loyalty to the end"

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Mundiferrum
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Postby Mundiferrum » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:16 am

Riftdania wrote:
Mundiferrum wrote:I have a feeling 50% of the "against" votes, at least from the non-delegates, are actually because of this ignorance. But shh!

They always are buddy. The moment a side gets a strong lead it doesn't matter what is said; They all just follow like sheep.

SHEEPLE
or rather, Sheepions? Sheepstates? Countrewes?

Although, I was more pointing out how people may be ignorant about what this resolution exactly does, rather than the whole bandwagon thing. But whatever.
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Marcus Gravellius Cisternae Magnorator, Mundiferri Representative to the World Assembly
"Call me Gravey. Only my really close friends call me Marcus, and I don't think we're that close yet. Maybe."
No, we are not a nation of cat people. We're all humans (and a few annoying gnomes) here. The cat's just there because our king is such a genius, he saw that it would be a good military strategy to have a distractingly cute flag, to blind our enemies to (our) victory!
Technological level: FUTURE TECH. We also have MAGICAL TECH, and a lot of the people here still play with MEDIEVAL TECH and PRESENT TECH. We're cool that way.

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Dragon rider 663
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Postby Dragon rider 663 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:46 pm

Mundiferrum wrote:
Riftdania wrote:They always are buddy. The moment a side gets a strong lead it doesn't matter what is said; They all just follow like sheep.

SHEEPLE
or rather, Sheepions? Sheepstates? Countrewes?

Although, I was more pointing out how people may be ignorant about what this resolution exactly does, rather than the whole bandwagon thing. But whatever.

Im 15

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Ramaeus
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Postby Ramaeus » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:35 pm

Dragon rider 663 wrote:Im 15

I do believe your age has nothing to do with the topic, which is the proposal "Liberate The Black Riders".
Just some weeb.

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Mundiferrum
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Postby Mundiferrum » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:35 am

Dragon rider 663 wrote:
Mundiferrum wrote:SHEEPLE
or rather, Sheepions? Sheepstates? Countrewes?

Although, I was more pointing out how people may be ignorant about what this resolution exactly does, rather than the whole bandwagon thing. But whatever.

Im 15

Eh? I thought there was an age limit for ambassadors....
MARCVSGRAVELLIVSCISTERNAEMAGNORATOR-ORATORMVNDIFERRIADCONCILIVMMNDVM
Marcus Gravellius Cisternae Magnorator, Mundiferri Representative to the World Assembly
"Call me Gravey. Only my really close friends call me Marcus, and I don't think we're that close yet. Maybe."
No, we are not a nation of cat people. We're all humans (and a few annoying gnomes) here. The cat's just there because our king is such a genius, he saw that it would be a good military strategy to have a distractingly cute flag, to blind our enemies to (our) victory!
Technological level: FUTURE TECH. We also have MAGICAL TECH, and a lot of the people here still play with MEDIEVAL TECH and PRESENT TECH. We're cool that way.

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We Are Not The ATF
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Postby We Are Not The ATF » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:47 am

Dragon rider 663 wrote:
Mundiferrum wrote:SHEEPLE
or rather, Sheepions? Sheepstates? Countrewes?

Although, I was more pointing out how people may be ignorant about what this resolution exactly does, rather than the whole bandwagon thing. But whatever.

Im 15
Nessie wrote:NShistory's first entry for TBR is at the very end of 2009 (Thank you Texas). So five and a half years old.

*Amends previous statement*

So that would make you 8 years old now. :P

I believe that was what he meant to quote.
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Dragon rider 663
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Postby Dragon rider 663 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:00 pm

We Are Not The ATF wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:Im 15
Nessie wrote:NShistory's first entry for TBR is at the very end of 2009 (Thank you Texas). So five and a half years old.

*Amends previous statement*

So that would make you 8 years old now. :P

Oops :roll:
I believe that was what he meant to quote.

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Harenhime
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Postby Harenhime » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:06 pm

United RussoAsia wrote:Ridiculousness.

This TBR crap has gone to the 'beating a dead horse' stage. Firmly opposed.


Then what is the "for" vote for, now?
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Treehall
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Postby Treehall » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:47 pm

Dragon rider 663 wrote:
Treehall wrote:
That doesn't negate the fact that it makes you a terrorist.

Legally no we are not because the definition states that although we use violence and intimidation be dont really have political views so no its not terrorism. Also terrorism is illegal raiding is not


That is the exact definition of a terrorist; someone who uses violence and intimidation to get what they want.
Additionally, why the hell would I vote for you after invading my region? You'd have to be daft.

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We Are Not The ATF
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Postby We Are Not The ATF » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:05 pm

Treehall wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:Legally no we are not because the definition states that although we use violence and intimidation be dont really have political views so no its not terrorism. Also terrorism is illegal raiding is not


That is the exact definition of a terrorist; someone who uses violence and intimidation to get what they want.
Additionally, why the hell would I vote for you after invading my region? You'd have to be daft.

Except that we don't use violence and intimidation to get what we want, because we don't want anything.
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Riftdania
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Postby Riftdania » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:06 pm

Harenhime wrote:
United RussoAsia wrote:Ridiculousness.

This TBR crap has gone to the 'beating a dead horse' stage. Firmly opposed.


Then what is the "for" vote for, now?

Indeed. Saying one thing but doing another? Classy. x

Treehall wrote:
Dragon rider 663 wrote:Legally no we are not because the definition states that although we use violence and intimidation be dont really have political views so no its not terrorism. Also terrorism is illegal raiding is not


That is the exact definition of a terrorist; someone who uses violence and intimidation to get what they want.
Additionally, why the hell would I vote for you after invading my region? You'd have to be daft.

How about you pair take the discussion of Raiderism to the appropriate place, huh? Not here.
Quotes
"Rifty to break Security Council by founding a region in it." ~ Ridersyl
"Is known for going after people who offend him." ~ Ever-Wandering Souls
"One of the best leaders you can find." ~ Aenglaland

"Damn funk you got caught with basic logic" ~ Canton Empire
"I know how the Veterans work around here" ~ Jachaelter
*Insert plot* ~ Gradea
Regions
Prophet of Sanctum
Lieutenant of DEN
Consigliere (Chief) of Equinox
Merc Warrior of Cimmeria

Prophet Alphonse Silverstorm
Independent Oppertunist

"Loyalty to my purpose - Loyalty to the end"

#GradeaForMod #CormacAlignmentWatch #LiberateTBR

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Harenhime
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Postby Harenhime » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:41 pm

Many thanks to all who voted "against" and prevented this resolution from passing.

"Liberate The Black Riders" was defeated 8,822 votes to 2,023
My other car nation is Ever-Wandering Souls.

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Postby Tano » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:45 pm

Yay!

*prepares self for next repeal attempt*
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Postby New Grestin » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:46 pm

Well, I'll see you all next week when we do this same shtick again.
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Postby Topid » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Tano wrote:Yay!

*prepares self for next repeal attempt*

We have to pass it before there can be a panic to repeal it. :P
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Tano
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Postby Tano » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:49 pm

Topid wrote:
Tano wrote:Yay!

*prepares self for next repeal attempt*

We have to pass it before there can be a panic to repeal it. :P

Whoops, got my mind focused on the whole Repeal business going on in GA. My bad :P

*braces self for next Liberation attempt*
Tano Holland
Govindia: Do you consider me a friend, or just an acquaintance or what?
hobbes: I don't particularly consider anyone a true 'friend'
hobbes: at least,not on NS
Govindia: why is that?
hobbes: because
hobbes: everyone here is a jackass
hobbes: myself included

Pixie: *heart sploosh*
Tano: if your heart is splooshing you should contact a doctor
Tano: hearts are supposed to thump not sploosh
Pixie: No this is normal
Pixie: intense emotion causes me to hemorrage internally
Pixie: my life is like a really depressing comedic episode of The X-Files

Khron: we need an achievment of rem's face just for Tano
Pixie: haha
Pixie: "be Tano"

Brunhilde: My quotes should be in more signatures.

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The Silver Sentinel
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:24 pm

Topid wrote:
Tano wrote:Yay!

*prepares self for next repeal attempt*

We have to pass it before there can be a panic to repeal it. :P


Let me know. I am ready to assist.

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Riftdania
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Postby Riftdania » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:34 pm

I still wish to know why TWP stated their intention to vote against - but then voted for. What was the reasoning behind that? Was Glad to contribute to this proposals downfall.

    The WA is filled with sheep. Once there is a swing they vote with it. Meaning voting stack on some proposals is a good thing. However this didn't have people voting stack or anything like that.

    Now the liberation is use primarily to allow Defender (UDL, FRA, RRA, TITO and any other memorable defender force you rarely see) into a region which usually is expected to contain Natives (The people originally who resided in the region) has been or is most likely going to be password locked by Occupiers (DEN, TBH, BoM, OFO, LWU and so on).

    This was a rare case of role reversal. The Defenders are the Raiding Sphere. The raiders are a loud and unloved morass of natives of other regions. The natives were TBR. As far as regional sovereignty was concerned you were an occupying force.

    With that being said - How would you feel in the WA assisted the raider sphere in unlocking possible targets? It'd suck, would it not? Well that is exactly what you are asking to happen. So as such people voted accordingly.

    I know my region of Sanctum voted purely on the fact of it was an occupation. I know a lot of other regions voted down to how messy, unstable and uneducated the current government in there was. There was a few who voted against for their love of TBR.

    Then you had those who followed blindly.

    This isn't going to pass unless you change all the GCR and large UCR delegates to new and unknowing natives. Of course that will never happen since just like in the real world we elect (or appoint) the best person for the job. Those who hold power do not like you and as such your war is already over.
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Quotes
"Rifty to break Security Council by founding a region in it." ~ Ridersyl
"Is known for going after people who offend him." ~ Ever-Wandering Souls
"One of the best leaders you can find." ~ Aenglaland

"Damn funk you got caught with basic logic" ~ Canton Empire
"I know how the Veterans work around here" ~ Jachaelter
*Insert plot* ~ Gradea
Regions
Prophet of Sanctum
Lieutenant of DEN
Consigliere (Chief) of Equinox
Merc Warrior of Cimmeria

Prophet Alphonse Silverstorm
Independent Oppertunist

"Loyalty to my purpose - Loyalty to the end"

#GradeaForMod #CormacAlignmentWatch #LiberateTBR

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