[DRAFT] Commend the Rejected Realms

[Luxdonia]

Noting that the Rejected Realms has existed as a place of redemption and salvation for many nations ejected by their home regions wince it's creation in 2003.

Noting the tremendous work of the Rejected Realms Army in their defending of the world's vulnerable regions for over a decade, from the liberation of 10000 Islands in 2003 to the liberation of Eternal Scholars in May 2015.

Noting that the Rejected Realms stood by the legitimate government of Lazarus when it was couped by the New Pacific Order.

Noting that the citizens of the Rejected Realms include World Assembly resolution authors Unibot III, Sedgistan, Christian Democrats, Omigodtheykilledkenny,and Tim-Opolis.

Hereby commends the Rejected Realms.

[Ramaeus]

A dull "joke" draft.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Since when has the RRA been active?

[Riftey]

I feel that depicts the kind of response this thread is gonna get...

[The Silver Sentinel]

Do you have nothing better to do that pick on Gradea and Nephy?

[Riftey]

Do you have nothing better to do that pick on Gradea and Nephy?

I guess i mustn't - you got me. Caught me red-handed.

Of course that's sarcasm if you hadn't noticed. If someone puts something decent forward then i'll applaud it regardless of who it is. This isn't decent.

[Knot]

Since when has the RRA been active?

Oh I don't know, probably a few instances here and there.

[Benevolent Thomas]

The RRA is actually one of the most active defender groups out there, just not over the past month. They're definitely the most active GCR military both historically and recently. Basically every active FRA Ranger over the past several years is a member of the RRA.

[Aistaan]

This is a very small, non-amusing form of a WA proposal. If you must commend them, a little more would help.

[Kaboomlandia]

Sorry, Gradea, you're gonna need some more meat on that resolution.

[The Bruce]

The RRA is actually one of the most active defender groups out there, just not over the past month. They're definitely the most active GCR military both historically and recently. Basically every active FRA Ranger over the past several years is a member of the RRA.

Just for clarification, are the RRA members active as FRA Rangers doing so under the administration of the FRA or as an auxiliary force that is identified in operations as the RRA?

[Benevolent Thomas]

The RRA is actually one of the most active defender groups out there, just not over the past month. They're definitely the most active GCR military both historically and recently. Basically every active FRA Ranger over the past several years is a member of the RRA.

Just for clarification, are the RRA members active as FRA Rangers doing so under the administration of the FRA or as an auxiliary force that is identified in operations as the RRA?

In recent months I'd say the latter is true. Before then, I'd say that it was mostly under FRA/Rangers administration. Of course my experience with them didn't truly begin until 2013. I can't speculate about years prior.

[Luxdonia]

Submitted. I am going to see how many approvals the resolution will get.

[The Bruce]

Just for clarification, are the RRA members active as FRA Rangers doing so under the administration of the FRA or as an auxiliary force that is identified in operations as the RRA?

In recent months I'd say the latter is true. Before then, I'd say that it was mostly under FRA/Rangers administration. Of course my experience with them didn't truly begin until 2013. I can't speculate about years prior.

I know that since the earliest days of Kandarin's rule, there has been a strong defender tradition in the RR, but when you have region members active in other organizations, which umbrella the organizing is done under is a very important distinction when crediting organizations.

[Alustrian]

Given the RRA's very long history, we are going to see rises and falls in activity. A lot can be said about the early RRA (well before the FRA's creation). When the modern RRA was rebuilt, I am not sure how Wop and Fratt credited their affiliations while they were simultaneously RRA commanders and FRA AC/CoDF. More recently, while Karp and I are RRA members, most of our organizational work was credited under the FRA umbrella. However, in "recent months" neither label has matched its previous activity.

[Luxdonia]

Proposal removed from the floor.

Better go back to the drawing board then.

[Crazy girl]

Yeah, rule 4 violation spotted (the word Gameplay). Sorry, would've mentioned it here but moving house, trying to get internet at the new place

As for the RRA, we're far far older than the FRA and everyone seems to forget the current (horrible inactive, sitting on her bum sipping coffee) High Commander!

[Luxdonia]

Yeah, rule 4 violation spotted (the word Gameplay). Sorry, would've mentioned it here but moving house, trying to get internet at the new place

As for the RRA, we're far far older than the FRA and everyone seems to forget the current (horrible inactive, sitting on her bum sipping coffee) High Commander!

Seeing as I have the chance to beef it up now before I resubmit it, I'll take the opportunity.

[The Bruce]

There are issues with claiming a number of WA authors for the purposes of this resolution, when their primary regional residence is elsewhere or in other cases almost all their WA work was done when their primary residence was in another region. Otherwise, it's about recognizing that you hang out with WA authors.

You have a much stronger claim to the disproportionate amount of Mods from the Rejected Realms, but to avoid dreaded rule infractions you'd have to write into a resolution in terms of the contribution of leading NationStates' career bureaucrats and then name them.

There really, really needs to be more about the history of the region, instead of just one incident regarding Lazarus. Having a resolution to commend the Rejected Realms without any mention of Kandarin is just wrong.

The Rejected Realms has been around over ten years!

It boggles the mind that there isn't more included in a resolution about a region that's been around that long and had many notable personalities during that time.

It's the equivalent of writing a book about the last ten years in the history of Russia and all there is is a mention of some diplomacy with Belarus.

Take some time, dig into some forum archives, and get some material.

[Cora II]

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The Bruce makes some good points. I add few more. What ever are arguments for/against this one, The Rejected Realms shouldn't benefit from it's special game mechanical status and issues as

1. Place where all failed nations end, usually against their own will
2. Where a delegate must search banhammer panel in a regional control room perpetually
3. Where 'leading bureaucrats' must stack and stash a horde of other lesser bureaucrats to solidify their supporter pile to near-eternal game killing idleness
4. Where regional culture is contaminated by collective false consciousness of Wow-its-Cool-to-be-rejected, but rarely these rejected petty bureaucrats play like by the name of their puppet junkyard. So soft, so rosy, so dull.
5. Where formal citizenship and participation to the degenerated bureaucratical process is strictly regulated by... uh... "leading career bureaucrats" [sic].
6 Where "historical mod bias" is objective reality, exactly because the WAD position is as armless as breeding goat without balls, and the power of leading bureaucratic hegemony can be enforced only by means in a sphere of off-site meta-game, due lack of proper in-game border controls and banhammer
7. Endless source of dreams about imaginary time where executive founders and delegates could determine by themselves where to send their own rejectees...

With these remarks: Against!

[Evil Wolf]

Noting the tremendous work of the Rejected Realms Army in their defending of the world's vulnerable regions for over a decade, from the liberation of 10000 Islands in 2003 to the liberation of Eternal Scholars in May 2015.

Shouldn't we be condemning them for that?

[Idoits]

Since when has the RRA been active?

We've been active. We've gone too small regions that needed defending.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

There are issues with claiming a number of WA authors for the purposes of this resolution, when their primary regional residence is elsewhere or in other cases almost all their WA work was done when their primary residence was in another region.

Not so. I authored two repeals with my TRR nation. CD has been the WA adviser to TRR for many months. Uni and sedge are undisputed denizens of TRR. The only problem with that clause is its listing Gruenberg (who I'm sure would object strenuously to appearing in a C&C).

Another potential problem is the mention of TRT, which is sort of in a dormant/uncertain state right now due to its editor leaving.

[The Great Destruction]

Another potential problem is the mention of TRT, which is sort of in a dormant/uncertain state right now due to its editor leaving.

Something doesn't have to be current for it to be revered. Do we not look back upon the Egyptians, and Romans (and the Simpsons) as the pinnacles of society of their times, even though they now only exist as archaic ruins of their former selves?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Noting that the Rejected Realms is the publisher of the widely popular newspaper covering Gameplay events, the Rejected Times, which is one of the most popular of publications covering gameplay news in the world.

Not true at the moment (not since June 2), since we have no idea what the state of TRT is. Might be nice if we knew at some point.