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[DRAFT] Repeal SC #127 "Condemn The Black Riders"

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[DRAFT] Repeal SC #127 "Condemn The Black Riders"

Postby Religionous » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:43 pm

NOTING that The Black Riders have recently been overthrown after the expulsion of Bob Moran from the region;

POINTING OUT that this act was done after The Black Riders, as well as The Land of Kings and Emperors, were found to be using unethical recruitment means;

APPLAUDING The Armed Republic of UnitedGermanRegions's efforts in withdrawing all embassies from raided regions;

ACKNOWLEDGING that there still exists a very large raider contingent supporting The Ridin' Raider of Ridersyl to counter The Armed Republic of UnitedGermanRegions;

WISHING to congratulate The Insane Region for spearheading the attack;

NOTICING the irony in the entire matter, in that The Black Riders, the most feared military region in the world, were themselves overthrown in a single day;

DISGUSTED that the condemnation badge, meant to "describe shock or dismay at a nation or region," as described by the World Assembly, has now become a badge of honour for raiders;

ARGUING that the condemnation badge represents the raiding behaviour of The Black Riders, and should not represent the new order;

HEREBY REPEALS SC #127 "Condemn The Black Riders".

I've started campaigning for it.
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Postby Ramaeus » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:56 pm

Against.

The "new order" managed to swarm a founderless region and...remove some embassies. The Condemnation should stand, unless the purported "new order" actually manages to refound the region.
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Postby Todd McCloud » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:08 pm

Usually one waits a bit before submitting in order to listen to comments made from various nations in the SC body.

That being said, I must agree with Ram: having their founder removed, the region losing control of itself, and the arguments that some raiders believe condemnations are 'badges of honor' are relatively poor arguments for the repeal, especially as things stand currently.
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Postby Tim Stark » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:44 pm

I concur with my compatriots Ramaeus and Todd McCloud
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Postby Island Union » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:05 pm

Seems a little premature to be asking for this,

Its been less than 12 hours since UGR took the region, give it some time before I could support this proposal.
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Postby Westercourt » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:18 pm

I agree, time shall tell if the new order will hold the Riders at bay.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:33 pm

Against.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:14 pm

Oh gosh it's the same person again.

Be forewarned that I am willing - for once - to invest money in NS just to stop your slipshod job of a proposal in getting you a SC badge.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:11 am

Against, for much the same reasons as Todd and Rameus.
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:40 am

The proposal has only two clauses relevant to the case for repeal, which rests entirely on one argument "it gives them a badge".

Against, for poor quality.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:42 am

Goddess Relief Office wrote:The proposal has only two clauses relevant to the case for repeal, which rests entirely on one argument "it gives them a badge".

Against, for poor quality.


Kaboom will do anything possible for a badge, and now he has poisoned the well for any further attempts. After this boondoggle he will have absolutely no credibility left.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:44 am

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Kaboom will do anything possible for a badge, and now he has poisoned the well for any further attempts. After this boondoggle he will have absolutely no credibility left.

Oh so this is Kaboomlandia is it? Another good reason to vote against. His credibility rating hit zero a long time ago JPT.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:25 am

64 approvals. Gotta love the rubber stamp brigade.
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Postby Great Brigantia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:51 pm

This is incredibly premature, in that it's highly unlikely the current occupying force will remain in control of The Black Riders forever. The condemnation should only be repealed once it is demonstrated that the region has firmly reformed.

As the author of SC#127, a well written resolution that I put a lot of energy into, I oppose its repeal so that Kaboomlandia can gain a badge.
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Postby Religionous » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:58 pm

85 approvals? But it was at 91 an hour ago!
Has someone been running a de-approval campaign against this? :eyebrow:

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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:00 pm

Religionous wrote:85 approvals? But it was at 91 an hour ago!
Has someone been running a de-approval campaign against this? :eyebrow:

Quite possibly. 'Tis the nature of things in the WA.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:30 pm

Religionous wrote:85 approvals? But it was at 91 an hour ago!
Has someone been running a de-approval campaign against this? :eyebrow:


I'm sure no one would do something like that considering the broad overwhelming support this has. :roll:
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:41 pm

Religionous wrote:85 approvals? But it was at 91 an hour ago!
Has someone been running a de-approval campaign against this? :eyebrow:

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:50 pm

Ans the approvals just keep going down.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:34 am

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Religionous wrote:85 approvals? But it was at 91 an hour ago!
Has someone been running a de-approval campaign against this? :eyebrow:


I'm sure no one would do something like that considering the broad overwhelming support this has. :roll:


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Religionous wrote:85 approvals? But it was at 91 an hour ago!
Has someone been running a de-approval campaign against this? :eyebrow:

"Yes. I have."


Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:Ans the approvals just keep going down.


Pfft, SP, I'd turn gay for you. First you managed to pass a few resolutions that Ban of Perfidy in Warfare failed to do (because it failed to pass), and then you ran a de-approval campaign against this. :hug:

Anyway, with 19 hours left and the numbers of approvals going down (79) I don't think this will reach quorum. Thankfully.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri May 01, 2015 1:53 am

It appears enough lemmings were persuaded to step away from the cliff to prevent this poor attempt from reaching quorum.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..

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Postby Religionous » Fri May 01, 2015 3:58 pm

Back from the submission queue. I was happy with how the submission period went, getting as close as one away, but I think this can make quorum after tweaking.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri May 01, 2015 9:00 pm

Religionous wrote: but I think this can make quorum after tweaking.


:rofl: Oh wait, you're serious? :rofl: If anyone else other than you tries to pass this, it probably happens. No one is going to let you snag a badge, just by capitalizing on a bad situation. Do some research, and then maybe you might have a shot.
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Postby The Nocter Empire » Mon May 25, 2015 8:40 am

Why are so many people against this ? I understand the new TBR is, well, relatively new, but it has proven its solidity. TBR no longer deserves to be a condemned region.

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Postby Naginii » Tue May 26, 2015 3:35 pm

...you might temporarily help the current population of raiders who took TBR not be tarred and feathered by the former occupant's sins, but remove the badge and you'll also help whomever comes after them. Like the TBR natives. So, unless the region is refounded, this Lib Prop could have unfortunate, but rather humorous, downstream consequences.


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