[PASSED] Repeal SC #111 "Commend Krulltopia"

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Well it's easier to get people to believe something is true, than something is untrue.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, you ask for proof but looking at the field it looks a certain way. Are you saying Balder is not allied with NPO and NLO? And the flag is just coincidental?

I sure am, Krull isn't in Balder, no one in the NPO is in our government, I'd know I run most of said government and hired my entire cabinet :/

And I am sure you are prepared to deliver incontrvertable proof to that, and Balder is prepared to publicly denounce the NPO....

[Old Hope]

[...]Game-Created Regions [...]

Rule 4c.

[The Iron Rebel]

I sure am, Krull isn't in Balder, no one in the NPO is in our government, I'd know I run most of said government and hired my entire cabinet :/

And I am sure you are prepared to deliver incontrvertable proof to that, and Balder is prepared to publicly denounce the NPO....

That would probably require I post confidential government meetings, and I'm not in the mood to commit treason, just because a bunch of haters don't like Balders new flag, which NES made as a joke, that people just all got on board and said they liked,and that's as far as I am going with the issue, apart from maybe sorry to NES for revealing his sense of humor to the NS world.

As for Krull, I don't even like him, because I hold grudges, and the prat mouthed off to me in 2010 over a recruitment message, and then people claiming to be from the NPO threatened my region of 2010.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

And I am sure you are prepared to deliver incontrvertable proof to that, and Balder is prepared to publicly denounce the NPO....

That would probably require I post confidential government meetings,

But of course.... Play the national security card. I haven't seen that one in quite a while.

[The Iron Rebel]

That would probably require I post confidential government meetings,

But of course.... Play the national security card. I haven't seen that one in quite a while.

Well you started with the arrogant tool card, going around calling people liars for not giving into your demands and false claims.

[Zander Cerebella]

That would probably require I post confidential government meetings,

But of course.... Play the national security card. I haven't seen that one in quite a while.

From dispatch(link in WFE)

Our government remembers when the Peoples Republic of Lazarus was born amid purges and created by the NPO with the tacit agreement of members of the FRA. Balder was one of very few regions where our leadership publicly criticized this and this resulted in the PRL ending Lazarene ties with Balder. The continuation of anti-independence and imperialism within the PRL due to the presence of extremists such as Funkadelia would lead to the Osiris-Lazarus War. Despite all of this, Balder approached the PRL with the question of aid however, this prospective question was refused by Funkadelia.

Balder sees no reason to embroil itself in a war, particularly when the PRL has consistently been a thorn in the side of Independence. They rejected the ideology and committed multiple acts against it, calling it false and attempting to sabotage it where they could. In our eyes, the PRL is not a legitimate government and has never been. We also do not the understand the altruistic need to intervene if we did not intervene to prevent the creation of the PRL. The PRL had many opportunities to legitimize itself and Balder and other allies were always willing to create ties should the PRL become less extremist.

Thus, despite a great surplus in WAs, Balder sees no altruistic reason to intervene for the FRA and other defenders who had supported the creation of the PRL as a second FRA state in the GCRs.

Or to sum up in a word I've already used, neutral.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

But of course.... Play the national security card. I haven't seen that one in quite a while.

From dispatch(link in WFE)

Our government remembers when the Peoples Republic of Lazarus was born amid purges and created by the NPO with the tacit agreement of members of the FRA. Balder was one of very few regions where our leadership publicly criticized this and this resulted in the PRL ending Lazarene ties with Balder. The continuation of anti-independence and imperialism within the PRL due to the presence of extremists such as Funkadelia would lead to the Osiris-Lazarus War. Despite all of this, Balder approached the PRL with the question of aid however, this prospective question was refused by Funkadelia.

Balder sees no reason to embroil itself in a war, particularly when the PRL has consistently been a thorn in the side of Independence. They rejected the ideology and committed multiple acts against it, calling it false and attempting to sabotage it where they could. In our eyes, the PRL is not a legitimate government and has never been. We also do not the understand the altruistic need to intervene if we did not intervene to prevent the creation of the PRL. The PRL had many opportunities to legitimize itself and Balder and other allies were always willing to create ties should the PRL become less extremist.

Thus, despite a great surplus in WAs, Balder sees no altruistic reason to intervene for the FRA and other defenders who had supported the creation of the PRL as a second FRA state in the GCRs.

Or to sum up in a word I've already used, neutral.

Plausible deniability is all that is. I have yet to see any actual proof that cannot be contested that the NPO isn't pulling the strings in Balder. Do you know everyone in your government? Have you compared I.P. addresses to those from The Pacific's forums?

What I find amusing is that no one from the NPO is shooting down the claim Balder is not involved. Is that the plan? Direct all the attention away from the situation at hand and turn this into a debate about the politics of Balder? What were you offered to take a fall like that? A seat in the government? Partial control of the NLO?

[The Iron Rebel]

Are you kidding, if we had the IP addresses of people in the NPO that would be even more incriminating then not having them, further you are clearly the one with the hidden motive, so who is pulling your strings, Cormac perhaps?

Your ignorance on who is in Balders cabinet is hilarious.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Are you kidding, if we had the IP addresses of people in the NPO that would be even more incriminating then not having them, further you are clearly the one with the hidden motive, so who is pulling your strings, Cormac perhaps?

Your ignorance on who is in Balders cabinet is hilarious.

What I find amusing is that no one from the NPO is shooting down the claim Balder is not involved. Is that the plan? Direct all the attention away from the situation at hand and turn this into a debate about the politics of Balder? What were you offered to take a fall like that? A seat in the government? Partial control of the NLO?

I see you sidestepped this part, and tried to turn it on me. Nicely played.

[The Iron Rebel]

Get this through your thick skull, because I can not be anymore clear, I am the STATSMINISTER OF BALDER, which is the equivalency of the Prime Minister, since you seem to be quite ignorant I feel I must make that clear. MY GOVERNMENT IS NOT IN FAVOR OF LAZARUS, WE ARE NEUTRAL! If you can't comprehend that then you are clearly just a troll sent here to stir up drama by your master.

[Zander Cerebella]

Plausible deniability is all that is. I have yet to see any actual proof that cannot be contested that the NPO isn't pulling the strings in Balder. Do you know everyone in your government? Have you compared I.P. addresses to those from The Pacific's forums?

What I find amusing is that no one from the NPO is shooting down the claim Balder is not involved. Is that the plan? Direct all the attention away from the situation at hand and turn this into a debate about the politics of Balder? What were you offered to take a fall like that? A seat in the government? Partial control of the NLO?

People just aren't happy unless someone is pulling the strings in Balder. If not TNI or Euro, now we have the NPO, a group who has attacked Balder in the past. Why would the NPO decide to say that we are not involved? It's another attempt to tarnish Balder, a tactic that is used by not only the NPO but defenders as well(and whatever the hell you are). Oh they get a sniff of a chance to try and belittle Balder and boy do they take it!

This thing about proof, why don't your back up your claims with actual proof? Does every region with the word order or who considers themselves an order of some kind suddenly become a puppet of the NPO? NO! Only an idiot would think that way.

Now, politics of Balder? I don't remember trying to turn a draft proposal into a debate about something else. Your the one who brought it.
Just like TIR, I personally hate the NPO. I've fought against them and beat them into submission before, not a hope would I take any offer from them unless it was the termination of their order and their silly little franco ideology.

[Unibot III]

Rule 4c.

Oops. Competely correct.

However, I do believe Sedgistan has said recently that moderation had reversed its position against 'feeder' and 'sinker' - so perhaps we could use that terminology instead?

Strongly disputing the resolution's claim that "Krulltopia has worked tirelessly and meticulously with only the aid of a few, very close allies to maintain the flawless security and stability of The Pacific, while promoting the safety of the other Pacific regions" when it is has become manifestly clear that the New Pacific Order has been infiltrating and corrupting the governments of fellow feeders and sinkers and, most recently, Lazarus to bring them directly under NPO control, while at the same time simultaneously allowing The Pacific to sink into stagnation and obscurity,

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Get this through your thick skull, because I can not be anymore clear, I am the STATSMINISTER OF BALDER, which is the equivalency of the Prime Minister, since you seem to be quite ignorant I feel I must make that clear. MY GOVERNMENT IS NOT IN FAVOR OF LAZARUS, WE ARE NEUTRAL! If you can't comprehend that then you are clearly just a troll sent here to stir up drama by your master.

Really? A statement put out by your government 59 minutes ago as of this post is supposed to reassure everyone? What a relief that your government can react so fast when it's credibility is called into question.

MY GOVERNMENT IS NOT IN FAVOR OF LAZARUS, WE ARE NEUTRAL!

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You may want to tell your delegate to toe the party line then. If you are truly neutral, a statement that can be construed as congratulating the occupying government probably isn't going to win many people over.

[The Iron Rebel]

It's not my job to provide info to clowns like you. You have provided no proof of what you claim, you are basing your entire attack on Balder based on a Flag that even the creator would admit he made as a joke. So why don't you stow your crap and admit who put you up to attacking balder or remove that part from your BS proposal.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

It's not my job to provide info to clowns like you. You have provided no proof of what you claim, you are basing your entire attack on Balder based on a Flag that even the creator would admit he made as a joke. So why don't you stow your crap and admit who put you up to attacking balder or remove that part from your BS proposal.

Now now... Is there really a need to flame people? As it stands, this will be a quorum very shortly, and I have no intentions of withdrawing it. As it seems the two of us cannot come to a consensus, I suggest we avoid each other, lest this turn into a flamewar that I will have no part in. I am acting of my own accord and no one else's. If you had any knowledge of me whatsoever, you would know by now, no one pulls my strings.

Good day Sir.

[North East Somerset]

As a puppet of the NPO Regime in Balder, I obviously find myself thoroughly opposed to this resolution!

Additionally there are possibly some minor factual inaccuracies *thumbs through paperwork and nods sagely*

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

As a puppet of the NPO Regime in Balder, I obviously find myself thoroughly opposed to this resolution!

Additionally there are possibly some minor factual inaccuracies *thumbs through paperwork and nods sagely*

I figured this would come up.

[North East Somerset]

As a puppet of the NPO Regime in Balder, I obviously find myself thoroughly opposed to this resolution!

Additionally there are possibly some minor factual inaccuracies *thumbs through paperwork and nods sagely*

I figured this would come up.

What would come up, sorry?

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

I figured this would come up.

What would come up, sorry?

A factual inaccuracy. As long as it's minor it really shouldn't present that big of a problem though. Krulltopia was commended on a resolution full of them after all....

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Hot damn, were at quorum.

[Tim Stark]

I'll be wholeheartedly supporting this resolution, having approved it in the queue, and very much hope that I'll be able to cast a vote in support of it. Furthermore, I'd support similar repeals of AMOM's commendation, as well as Feux's. People like those badges of pride quite a bit, so I figure losing it may be something that'd actually frustrate them.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

I'd support similar repeals of AMOM's commendation,

Agreed. Too bad Douria's not still around. He would have loved to write that one. Maybe we can convince Ram to write it? Which nation is Feux commended on?

[Feux]

I'd support similar repeals of AMOM's commendation,

Agreed. Too bad Douria's not still around. He would have loved to write that one. Maybe we can convince Ram to write it? Which nation is Feux commended on?

I'm not commended. You'd had better luck condemning me.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

Agreed. Too bad Douria's not still around. He would have loved to write that one. Maybe we can convince Ram to write it? Which nation is Feux commended on?

I'm not commended. You'd had better luck condemning me.

That's what I was asking. I have no intention of condemning you as you would flaunt it. What I plan to do is take away everything you hold dear in this game.

[Great Brigantia]

Are you kidding, if we had the IP addresses of people in the NPO that would be even more incriminating then not having them, further you are clearly the one with the hidden motive, so who is pulling your strings, Cormac perhaps?

Your ignorance on who is in Balders cabinet is hilarious.

I would remove the bits about Balder, as they aren't accurate, but otherwise I support this.

Yes, obviously I'm pulling his strings, having pointed out the inaccuracies before anyone from Balder did, and having been the one who spoke directly to Rachel (Solorni) about the NBO so that I could post accurate information in two different regions that were very confused about the NBO and whether Balder was siding with Lazarus and/or being annexed by the NPO.

Perhaps, Mr. Statsminister, if your government communicated more effectively with its friends and allies, this mass confusion would not be occurring. Have you, personally, communicated with a single foreign leader, or do you just expect them to automatically know what's happening? The buck stops with you, does it not?

In any event, given that the submitted resolution still contains the inaccuracies regarding Balder, I'm opposed. I look forward to a repeal resolution that gets its facts right and doesn't needlessly libel another region, no matter how much disdain I may personally have for that region and its woefully incompetent government.