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[WITHDRAWN] Liberate Land of Power

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[WITHDRAWN] Liberate Land of Power

Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:47 pm

The issue at the heart of the Resolution has been settled out of court. God bless ElectronicArts!

Good afternoon.

My old Region, the Land of Power, has recently been overtaken by a corrupt Delegate heck-bent on erasing the Region (and every RMB post and archive in it) in order to re-found it in his own image, where he is unstoppable. In his quest for absolute and total domination of the Region, he expelled me, the Region's Founder, and kicked anyone who attempted to stop it. The only person standing in his way was ElectronicArts, who was one of the oldest memers of the Region and one of its most powerful, largest, and longest standing nativea.

Now, the WAD in question is Ermonte, who was the Land of Power's first founder in 2009 AD. He abandoned the Region early on and moved elsewhere, never to return until now, but before he left, he allowed me to refound the Region in, I believe, 2011 AD, if I recall correctly. At the end of the Land of Power's first tenure, he gave the Region over to the United States of Europe as a one-nation puppet Region before finally transfering it under my auspices, where it became an active, roleplaying powerhouse until I was deleted at the end of 2014 AD. The Land of Power was promptly invaded, and thanks to the kindness of the Association of Imperialism, Balder, and New Hyperion, it was Liberated from a cheap Black Riders knockoff that got lucky because of my deletion.

To prevent Natives from re-entering the Region, Ermonte password protected the Region.

When Ermonte left in 2011 AD, I had begged him to return because he was so kind to me back in those days. Ermonte has been hanging my most recent request, which I sent over a year ago, over my head as an excuse to delete the Region and recreate it in his own image, where he can have absolute power. (If his past is anything to go by, he wouldn't be running the Land of Power for more than a year, making his entire destruction of tens of thousands of RMB messages and continuity moot.)

In the biggest of ironies (as of posting this), Ermonte somehow stopped trying to complete his coup d'etat (just as he stopped trying to do anything in the LOP whatsoever for nearly half a decade) and the Delegacy went to one of the newest nations in the Region (at the time of Ermonte's issuance of the Password), New Hatfield. New Hatfield is a steadfast follower of Ermonte and passionately defended Ermonte's coup d'etat on the Land of Power.

Electronic Arts agreed to be the defender of the Land of Power and, together, we worked out a means to sotp this by keeping him inside. EA was a nation exceeding ten billion characters in NS Canon statistics, and he had spent almost all of his tenure in the Land of Power. Essentially, he was too large and too old of a Native to be Ejected, until yesterday, for some reason.

Now, with little time left and even less means to archive five years of searchable message posts where I (and the other LOP users, former and present), have written reams of searchable contunuity and information that they may need to go back to sometimes, be it for a refresher or even for memories' sake, I have no choice but to turn to the World Assembly Security Council to save the Land of Power from absolute destruction.


God have mercy.
-TURTLESHROOM
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:47 pm

THE WORLD ASSEMBLY:

OBSERVING the precedent that a Delegate who seizes power and begins ejecting Natives while Password Protecting his newfound Region is guilty of a corrupt act in need of Security Council Prevention;

NOTING that the Delegate of the Land of Power, Ermonte, ejected natives that had lived nowhere except in the Land of Power for many years, solely for opposing his attempts to password protect and overthrow the Region;

APPALLED that a former Founder of said Region thinks he has the right to destory a Region because he founded it and left it to another nation many years ago, never to even visit it again until oppurtunity struck;

SEEING that Ermonte, the Delegate, used the recapturing of the Region from Invaders as an excuse to rally the remainder of the LOP's Natives around him, and exploitied his reputation as a charitbale founder who peacibly transferred the Region when he exited, so that he could imply he would also be a just steward;

REPEATING that Ermonte had left the Land of Power as early as 2011 and constantly refused requests from the Region's new custodian to actively participate in the Region he distanced himself from and regain a position of influence there;

SHOCKED that Ermonte expelled ElectronicArts, one of the Region's oldest and most loyal Natives, as well as the Region's largest resident, in order to ensure his total domination of the Region;

DECLARING this abuse of power and attempt to erase a long and storied Region from NationStates as a corrupt, wicked coup d'etat of the Land of Power;

STATING that Ermonte does not have the best interests of the Land of Power at heart;

STATING that he is in no way been a true Native of the Region for years;

BELIEVING that five years and tens upon tens of thousands of Regional debates, discussions, memories, national facts, and other content is a valuable asset worth preserving both for current and former Natives and for future generations as an example of quality roleplaying;

THEREFORE:
BE IT ENACTED that THE WORLD ASSEMBLY hereby issue a Liberation of the Land of Power, to protect the content and integrity of the natives' information against a Delegate seeking to dismantle the Region and remake it in his own image.

The World Assembly hereby LIBERATES the Land of Power.

[PROPOSED THIS TWENTY FIRST SATURDAY OF MARCH, IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD TWO THOUSAND FIFTEEN]
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Postby Crazy girl » Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:41 pm

Some rule 4 violations in there for sure....

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Postby Zander Cerebella » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:11 pm

Not even North Korea's propaganda machine works so passionately.
Rule 4 violations on top of numerous inaccuracies............a terrible proposal.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:28 pm

Crazy girl wrote:Some rule 4 violations in there for sure....


I've never proposed a WA item before. Could you please explain what I did to violate Rule IV? (Isn't that the RP rule?)




Zander Cerebella wrote:Rule 4 violations on top of numerous inaccuracies............a terrible proposal.


Inaccuracies? Name them.

I think it's pretty obvious that ejecting every LOP Native out of the Region and password-protecting the Region is grounds for a Liberation. That isn't even beginning to cover Ermonte's use of his good reputation to secure the Delegacy and his abuse of the powers it entailed. Even if I am biased, he has openly stated that he wants to re-found the Land of Power, which means everything in the current Region would be deleted.

How do you even claim to know anything about this issue?
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:11 pm

"Users" is definitely illegal. Maybe the use of AD is illegal too.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:16 pm

Ah, so R4 IS the RP rule. I'm on a phone right now, so I'll correct it tomorrow.

-and thank you so much for actually helping me fix this instead of mocking it!
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Postby Laurentus States » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:42 pm

I don't even know where to start correcting this... "proposal."

Okay, here we go.

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Good afternoon.

My old Region, the Land of Power, has recently been overtaken by a corrupt Delegate heck-bent on erasing the Region (and every RMB post and archive in it) in order to re-found it in his own image, where he is unstoppable. In his quest for absolute and total domination of the Region, he expelled me, the Region's Founder, and kicked anyone who attempted to stop it. The only person standing in his way was ElectronicArts, who was one of the oldest memers of the Region and one of its most powerful, largest, and longest standing nativea.

Now, the WAD in question is Ermonte, who was the Land of Power's first founder in 2009 AD. He abandoned the Region early on and moved elsewhere, never to return until now, but before he left, he allowed me to refound the Region in, I believe, 2011 AD, if I recall correctly. At the end of the Land of Power's first tenure, he gave the Region over to the United States of Europe as a one-nation puppet Region before finally transfering it under my auspices, where it became an active, roleplaying powerhouse until I was deleted at the end of 2014 AD. The Land of Power was promptly invaded, and thanks to the kindness of the Association of Imperialism, Balder, and New Hyperion, it was Liberated from a cheap Black Riders knockoff that got lucky because of my deletion.

To prevent Natives from re-entering the Region, Ermonte password protected the Region.

When Ermonte left in 2011 AD, I had begged him to return because he was so kind to me back in those days. Ermonte has been hanging my most recent request, which I sent over a year ago, over my head as an excuse to delete the Region and recreate it in his own image, where he can have absolute power. (If his past is anything to go by, he wouldn't be running the Land of Power for more than a year, making his entire destruction of tens of thousands of RMB messages and continuity moot.)

In the biggest of ironies (as of posting this), Ermonte somehow stopped trying to complete his coup d'etat (just as he stopped trying to do anything in the LOP whatsoever for nearly half a decade) and the Delegacy went to one of the newest nations in the Region (at the time of Ermonte's issuance of the Password), New Hatfield. New Hatfield is a steadfast follower of Ermonte and passionately defended Ermonte's coup d'etat on the Land of Power.

Electronic Arts agreed to be the defender of the Land of Power and, together, we worked out a means to sotp this by keeping him inside. EA was a nation exceeding ten billion characters in NS Canon statistics, and he had spent almost all of his tenure in the Land of Power. Essentially, he was too large and too old of a Native to be Ejected, until yesterday, for some reason.

Now, with little time left and even less means to archive five years of searchable message posts where I (and the other LOP users, former and present), have written reams of searchable contunuity and information that they may need to go back to sometimes, be it for a refresher or even for memories' sake, I have no choice but to turn to the World Assembly Security Council to save the Land of Power from absolute destruction.


God have mercy.
-TURTLESHROOM


1) One of my puppets is New Hatfield, and I haven't stolen the delegacy from Ermonte, I've taken it with his permission to speed up the refounding process. What you keep forgetting is that the only way to keep the region safe from future invasions is to install a founder once more. This operation has been going for months, and initially you were only too thankful for our assistance. Over the course of the months this operation has taken, you could easily have backed up all the RMB posts. While unfortunate that it has come to a refounding, it was far more unfortunate that you got yourself deleted for your irresponsible comments and left the region founderless. From my understanding, you were grieving the loss of a family member at the time, and you have my fullest sympathies for that, but that still does not change the fact that you were deleted, leaving the region open for invasion. Please, drop the subject and just start backing up the RMB posts. This is what I've counselled you to do months ago already. We're still going to be busy a long while before refounding, giving you ample time to back everything up.

2) These former natives you speak of have largely moved to the region Stachelimfleisch under another founder, and most of them have not objected to anything we've been doing, and in fact have admitted we were doing an admirable job under the circumstances. I'll quote Comrade Commisar here, but I encourage anyone who has interest in the full story to just read the Stachelimfleisch and Land of Power regional message boards.
comrade commisar wrote:Personally, TS, you're being a tad overdramatic when it concerns the Ermonte, the region, and its potential refounding. EA has a relatively large amount of influence, and better yet, he lacks that vicious tone of yours. Until he decides to pack up and move, or otherwise leaves the region, I do not believe there is anything to be concerned about.

[...]

Ermonte seems to be doing a fair job in my opinion, considering the circumstances involved at the time. The region was founderless, occupied by raiders, and Ermonte found it fit to answer to your cries of help, and contribute to the effort to liberate the region. He did this in only a few days time, mind you, and saw fit to provide security to a region with no founder, that has an equally likely chance of being overrun again. Considering everything involved, and the time and effort he has contributed to these endeavors, I do not believe you are in any position to critize him nor order him about - especially behind his back. Do not shift the blame onto him for 'losing' anything; if anything, I believe that a number of problems could have been avoided if you were not so aggressive in your manner. Remember, it was not Ermonte who became banned as founder of a region, sqaunter the opportunity for appeal, and decided to request help before proceeding to give orders to the people who kindly offered aid.

My banter aside, you are lucky that Violet added in the forum viewing feature for the RMB; that makes it easy to access any post from three years time, and to archive the ones of any importance. You also have the factbooks published on the forums linked to your other account, a significant part of your lore, which you can access relatively easily. Take the initiative, TS, and piece together anything relevent from the forums, archive anything significant off the RMB, and attempt to rewrite the rest that cannot be gathered. Sometimes you will just have to accept your losses, and make do with whatever remains, which in your case is quite a generous amount of information that only needs to be gathered and relinked.

[...]


3) Zander (whom you know as Ermonte) has always had a nation in the LoP, from my understanding. When the trouble with the raiders hit, he took the initiative and organised a defence that has been going on for months, by utilising his role as founder and first-in-command of New Hyperion, his connections and high position in Balder and our previous partnership with the Association of Imperialism, who have since disbanded.

4) This is not a security council matter, but a bitter personal dispute between you and Zander, as we are refounding the region precisely because we do not want to see it raided again. Eventually, the raiders would suppress all posts anyway and destroy the region just for laughs. What you've been proposing - that Zander just leave the password in place and stay on as delegate - is not practical for numerous reasons. I point you to the following: https://www.nationstates.net/page=influence.

I'll let Zander add anything if he so wishes, as this is largely between the two of you.

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Postby Aragonn » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:44 am

I am Aragonn, Lord of Culture in New Hyperion. My puppet, Nighthawk Aragonn, was an active participant in the liberation of The Land of Power and continues to be an active participant in the refounding.

Tis as Laurentus States says. Ample time has been given to save anything and everything you need, and there is still time to do so. I know not where your hatred springs from, but your petty squabbling got you into this mess, and now it brings you further into destruction. Do not waste your time arguing anymore while there is work to be done. We are doing The Land of Power a favor with the refounding. Now it is time for you to do the natives a favor by saving what you can before the refounding takes place.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:11 pm

Destroying years of archived RMB posts is NOT beneficial. There's no way you can load all five years of posts. Besides, Ermonte will ultimately leave the Region, just like he did five years ago.

Even if this is some noble act, why are you fighting so dirty? You kicked everyone who opposed your decision. You password protected the Region. You expelled any Native who stayed.

If you REALLY care about the LOP, why not just KEEP it password protected and let EA and I back in? Problem solved! In addition, how can one expect nations who only showed up either to liberate the Region or help Ermonte's coup to know the value of what has gone on before?

If we can't liberate the Region because of raiders, then can we at least not destroy it? You already have the LOP secured. Just leave it be and DON'T eliminate the ters of posts.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:33 pm

Is mentioning the RMB illegal under R4?
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:48 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Is mentioning the RMB illegal under R4?


No.
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Postby Zander Cerebella » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:44 pm

The OP is littered with inaccuracies from the original founder to the reason for the region being password protected.

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:1)Destroying years of archived RMB posts is NOT beneficial. There's no way you can load all five years of posts. Besides, Ermonte will ultimately leave the Region, just like he did five years ago.

2)Even if this is some noble act, why are you fighting so dirty? You kicked everyone who opposed your decision. You password protected the Region. You expelled any Native who stayed.

3)If you REALLY care about the LOP, why not just KEEP it password protected and let EA and I back in? Problem solved! In addition, how can one expect nations who only showed up either to liberate the Region or help Ermonte's coup to know the value of what has gone on before?

4)If we can't liberate the Region because of raiders, then can we at least not destroy it? You already have the LOP secured. Just leave it be and DON'T eliminate the ters of posts.


1)The vast majority of the RMB is conversations. Anything you need to know about your original nation is here - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42522 . So essentially anything of actual importance is safe, if its not backed up somewhere else then you clearly dont care for it. I've been in the region in one form or another for the majority of the LOP's life span, more so than you.

2)You are the only one who openly opposed it and lets not forget that as soon as the region was raided due to you getting yourself deleted(now thats not beneficial to the region now is it?) most of the active player based left the region.

3)If you really cared about the LOP you would have helped with the liberation rather than just sit there and complain. Even after you no longer held a position of power in the region you still acted as if you were the God king of the place. You pretty much abandoned the region in order to stay with those who left. Not only that you even got me to send a telegram to everyone asking them to leave!

This is a message to native nations only. If you are part of the liberation force you can disregard this message.

ATTENTION!

You are hereby requested to immediately depart the Land of Power and move to Stachelimfleisch to resume storytelling.

As you leave, please leave any and all WA Puppets in the Land of Power and endorse The Imperial Union of Ermonte with them, so that the Region can remain in its pristine state under its rightful owners.

Merry Christmas,
-TURTLESHROOM


4)We already liberated the region. And as the rightful owner then if I want my home refounded then I will do what I can in order to do it.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:05 pm

I see no real reason not to liberate the region, and would be willing to help the author draft an actual repeal proposal.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:22 pm

Zander Cerebella wrote:1)The vast majority of the RMB is conversations. Anything you need to know about your original nation is here - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42522 . So essentially anything of actual importance is safe, if its not backed up somewhere else then you clearly dont care for it. I've been in the region in one form or another for the majority of the LOP's life span, more so than you.


You're lying. You left for USE years ago and handed the Region over to me. You never came back, even when I asked you (at least thrice over the next several years). If, on some far flung chance, you actually stayed, you didn't once speak of it or do anything to help the Region or aid the Region or even partake in the Region. You totally cut yourself from the Land of Power from 2011 to the end of 2014 AD.

Second, you have no idea what I and the other LOP users used that board for. My current RP, the Labor Thread, was discussed entirely on the RMB and I have used it several times to go back over my notes. The entire future of TS is on that board. I never used those Factbooks (in before you say "that's your fault") for much because the RMB was far more dynamic, almost like the Region's own Forum. In addition, it was fully searchable with NS-Plus. I had no reason or incentive to switch to some other mechanism. Even after I was deleted, both before and after the raid,

Zander Cerebella wrote:2) You are the only one who openly opposed it


EA did too, so don't give me that. The others didn't care because they left the LOP, not because they support your power grab.

Zander Cerebella wrote:
Zander Cerebella wrote:3)If you really cared about the LOP you would have helped with the liberation rather than just sit there and complain.


Oh sure, let's see. So I should have had time to deal with the Raid while I was burying my great-grandmother? I should have foregone the funeral arrangements and services, including visitations, over the course of several days (coinciding nearly exactly with the Raid and my deletion). I was only on my phone for several days. You can't fight a raid on a computer phone, Ermonte. I had much more important things to do, you insensitive man.

Even if I was at home, and my great-grandmother wasn't dead, what could I have done to fight a Raid? I didn't organize the Raid, but I did Telegram everyone I knew that had connections to Defenders, so I DID play a part. I didn't have a WA Puppet at the time, because I had given the Delagacy to Lynxica.

Zander Cerebella wrote: Even after you no longer held a position of power in the region you still acted as if you were the god-king of the place. You pretty much abandoned the region in order to stay with those who left. Not only that you even got me to send a telegram to everyone asking them to leave!


I did that because Mackonia forced my hand, Ermonte! Many of our most active roleplayers moved to Mackonia as soon as his Region was founded. Only myself and the minor roleplayers were remaining. I had no choice but to let go of them and endorse Mackonia's split.
Do you REALLY think that I should have let the community be split in half? I had no power in the LOP. Mackonia's Region was the new home for all LOP roleplayers.

You're not thinking thsi through very much.

Zander Cerebella wrote:4)We already liberated the region. And as the rightful owner then if I want my home refounded then I will do what I can in order to do it.


No, the LOP is not your home. I asked you to come home several times over the years and you refused. You rejected all contact with the LOP for years. Even if you planted a puppet there, you never used it or spoke to us. Stop pretending you care about the LOP. If you did, you'd understand the value of what I'm trying to preserve.

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You really think that I should just suck it up archive every RMB piece?

Please tell me how I am going to archive tens of thousands of messages going back five years. How am I going to load every message at once for backup? It'd take at least a full day, and even I don't have that kind of time. I'd have to spend hours holding down the "ENTER" key to load every message from the Region's founding to now.

You know very well that it is an impossible feat and you don't care.


Zander Cerebella wrote:And as the rightful owner then if I want my home refounded then I will do what I can in order to do it.

My entire basis behind this Proposal was literally summed up in that sentence right there. You are lying through your teeth if you say you aren't doing this for your own gain.

Besides, what are you going to do once you refound the Region in your image? If last time is any proof, you'll leave it to rot again.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:23 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:I see no real reason not to liberate the region, and would be willing to help the author draft an actual repeal proposal.


Jean, I'm making the changes (use of "users", Rule IV) right now. I ask that you review it and inform me of changes I need to make to ensure proper compliance.
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World Factbook
First Constitution
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"NOOKULAR" STOCKPILE: 701,033 fission and dropping, 7 fusion.
CM wrote:Have I reached peak enlightened centrism yet? I'm getting chills just thinking about taking an actual position.

Proctopeo wrote:anarcho-von habsburgism

Lillorainen wrote:"Tengri's balls, [do] boys really never grow up?!"
Nuroblav wrote:On the contrary! Seize the means of ROBOT ARMS!
News ticker (updated 4/6/2024 AD):

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:43 pm

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:I see no real reason not to liberate the region, and would be willing to help the author draft an actual repeal proposal.


Jean, I'm making the changes (use of "users", Rule IV) right now. I ask that you review it and inform me of changes I need to make to ensure proper compliance.


You seriously need to get rid of the first person pronouns in this.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:50 pm

I would tag this thread as an [IDEA] in its current state.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
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Postby Ermonte » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:05 am

You're lying. You left for USE years ago and handed the Region over to me. You never came back, even when I asked you (at least thrice over the next several years). If, on some far flung chance, you actually stayed, you didn't once speak of it or do anything to help the Region or aid the Region or even partake in the Region. You totally cut yourself from the Land of Power from 2011 to the end of 2014 AD.

Second, you have no idea what I and the other LOP users used that board for. My current RP, the Labor Thread, was discussed entirely on the RMB and I have used it several times to go back over my notes. The entire future of TS is on that board. I never used those Factbooks (in before you say "that's your fault") for much because the RMB was far more dynamic, almost like the Region's own Forum. In addition, it was fully searchable with NS-Plus. I had no reason or incentive to switch to some other mechanism. Even after I was deleted, both before and after the raid,

Now who's living in a fiction made up by himself. Lets see, I did not leave The LOP for The USE(USE is a mock region someone else made so get that right), it was in fact Genesis, a region which I founded, but of course you would have known this had you been around at the time. After Tomasso CTE rather than leave the region to disappear into the abyss I refounded it in order to safeguard the place and name, exactly what I'm trying to do now. One thing you actually got right was that in mid-late 2011 you did come back and I did let you take over the foundership because you wanted to create a community. I wasn't going to deny someone from back in the day a chance to do so. After a couple of weeks I did actually drop in to see how the region was progressing and decided to leave a puppet nation, Shligeach, in the region. Just because I didn't post anything doesn't mean I wasn't there.
Lets make one thing clear, the one time I remember you asking me to return Ermonte to the region I did just that despite already being in the place.
So you refuse to backup important information and demand others accomodate you because of it? Outstanding!

EA did too, so don't give me that. The others didn't care because they left the LOP, not because they support your power grab.

My bad, EA did say he would like the region to remain as it was. Interesting bit of trivia, did you know New Nexon suggested refounding the region pretty much as soon as the region was liberated? This was even before you got me to ask everyone to leave. So yeah people did care. Lets not forget you supported this 'power grab'.

Oh sure, let's see. So I should have had time to deal with the Raid while I was burying my great-grandmother? I should have foregone the funeral arrangements and services, including visitations, over the course of several days (coinciding nearly exactly with the Raid and my deletion). I was only on my phone for several days. You can't fight a raid on a computer phone, Ermonte. I had much more important things to do, you insensitive man.

Even if I was at home, and my great-grandmother wasn't dead, what could I have done to fight a Raid? I didn't organize the Raid, but I did Telegram everyone I knew that had connections to Defenders, so I DID play a part. I didn't have a WA Puppet at the time, because I had given the Delagacy to Lynxica.

Bereavement is understandable for not being around, however this aid you supposidly asked for amounted to nothing and what the hell does Lynxica have anything to do with you not having a WA puppet? If you had time to ask for help you had time to support the actual help.

I did that because Mackonia forced my hand, Ermonte! Many of our most active roleplayers moved to Mackonia as soon as his Region was founded. Only myself and the minor roleplayers were remaining. I had no choice but to let go of them and endorse Mackonia's split.
Do you REALLY think that I should have let the community be split in half? I had no power in the LOP. Mackonia's Region was the new home for all LOP roleplayers.

You're not thinking thsi through very much.

So you have a new home? Great! No one forced your hand, it was your actions that lost you the people not Mackonia. Your being generuous to say minor roleplayers, none of them so much as moved when they were asked for some input apart from New Nexon who had far more interest in the region than them.

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:29 pm

Thanks to the kindness and charisma of ElectronicArts, I have made peace with Ermonte. Ermonte has formally agreed (through Telegram) to archive the entire Regional Message Board and present it to me. In exchange, I was requested to cease opposing the refounding in his own image.

I accepted the request, and I promised to withdraw the Resolution.
Jesus loves you and died for you!
World Factbook
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"NOOKULAR" STOCKPILE: 701,033 fission and dropping, 7 fusion.
CM wrote:Have I reached peak enlightened centrism yet? I'm getting chills just thinking about taking an actual position.

Proctopeo wrote:anarcho-von habsburgism

Lillorainen wrote:"Tengri's balls, [do] boys really never grow up?!"
Nuroblav wrote:On the contrary! Seize the means of ROBOT ARMS!
News ticker (updated 4/6/2024 AD):

As TS adapts to new normal, large flagellant sects remain -|- TurtleShroom forfeits imperial dignity -|- "Skibidi Toilet" creator awarded highest artistic honor for contributions to wholesome family entertainment (obscene gestures cut out)


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