[DEFEATED] Condemn The New Inquisition

[Killer Kitty]

On a side note, this is probably the fastest I've seen a SC proposal go to vote. Reached quota in, what, 7 hours? Would be interested to see the TG Cormac spammed out to all the delegates.

[Mousebumples]

On a side note, this is probably the fastest I've seen a SC proposal go to vote. Reached quota in, what, 7 hours? Would be interested to see the TG Cormac spammed out to all the delegates.

Allow me to help you out with that:

Greetings [NATION]!

I'm writing to ask you to approve an important Security Council proposal, Condemn The New Inquisition.

The New Inquisition is one of the most lawless, belligerent regimes in the world. It is allied with The Black Riders and has a close relationship with The Black Hawks, both previously condemned by the Security Council. The New Inquisition has invaded countless regions over the years, has initiated the destruction of some of these regions and participated in the destruction of others, and has supported coups d'etat against four of the nine Feeder and Sinker regions in which nations are spawned and re-spawned.

You will probably receive telegrams from imperialists and their allies campaigning against this proposal. Please bear in mind that all of the claims made in the proposal are well documented in citations that can be found here.

I would greatly appreciate your approvals for this important proposal! It is time to hold The New Inquisition accountable for its reprehensible behavior over the years.

[Consular]

Ok, now you can call TNI many many things, but lawless? I think you'll find TNI is actually quite a structured and ordered region, and it has a very comprehensive body of law to support that.

[KaelThas Quilor]

A) Facts never matter in the SC, not really and B) somehow there are laws on international behavior that we've all missed.

[Sudarium]

So, an LKE treatied-ally was couped by a dictatorial regime supported by the FRA?

In that case, what has the LKE done to help out the "legitimate government" that they are treatied allies with? lmao

The LKE revoked the alliance with the region of Lazarus, as we acknowledged the practicalities of the situation.

However, the LKE has been a vocal and forceful advocate on behalf of Griffin and the others affected.

OOC: This speech is going over my head, may the delegates please write without abbreviations? I'll vote against this, because in my eyes The New Inquisition region is simply playing the invasion game of Nationstates; players should not be condemned for playing a game by it's rules.

[Solorni]

Guys i've stumbled across new revealing miniluv logs:

<@Cormac> Durk is the best guy ever
<@Cormac> He has the most well defined abs I've ever seen
<@Cormac> We should all be more like Durk
<@Unibot> Agreed. HAIL DURK!!!
<@Milograd> HAIL!!! Also, I think I'm going to go cook up some anti uiaf logs now
<@Cormac> Sounds good, let me know if I can help!

It is moments like this that show us that we are all human. The appeal of Durks abs is impossible to deny.

[KaelThas Quilor]

The LKE revoked the alliance with the region of Lazarus, as we acknowledged the practicalities of the situation.

However, the LKE has been a vocal and forceful advocate on behalf of Griffin and the others affected.

OOC: This speech is going over my head, may the delegates please write without abbreviations? I'll vote against this, because in my eyes The New Inquisition region is simply playing the invasion game of Nationstates; players should not be condemned for playing a game by it's rules.

We're going to keep using the Acroynyms, but feel free to ask what people mean

FRA = Founderless Regions Alliance
LKE = Land of Kings and Emperors

[Ynys Prydain]

Congratulations to the imperialists on successfully stacking, and to alleged defenders 10000 Islands on making sure this had no chance of passing.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Votes For: 2,233: Stujenske (144), Unibot III (144), Kotovania (68), Imperial Eagle (53), El Fiji Grande (43), The Salaxalans (36), USS Enterprise (35), Nouvel Acadie (24), Little Egg Harbor (21), Christian Democrats (17), Nakepe (17), The Almighty Cowlord (17), United German Regions (14), Dor Caranthir (13), Lockewood (12), Zhqurak (10), Silverfield (10), Beazlend (10), Meoko (9), Soviet Ponies (9), The Gregorach (9), Hipona (9), Mweep (8), Ban Ki-Moon (8), The Democratic Nation of Unovia (8), Wolflandil (8), Lamoni (8), Commonwealths and Principalities (7), Sanguinius the Angel (7), Rzeczpospolita Krakowska (7), Crescitia (7), Six Kingdoms (7), Voga (7), Australian Antarctica (6), Storalia (6), Kolade (6), Hanchu (6), The Jeralls (5), Free Frontier (5), Hericropolis (5), Kanatistan (5), Otaku Stratus (5), Xarcan (5), Aeternabilis (5), Cheesebecistan (5), Ultimyr (5), North Campbell Nation (5), Rhosland (4), The Commonwealth of Terran (4), Yeilding2u2 (4), Vulcanlandia (4), Bopyland (4), Frenline Delpha (4), Zeta and Sword (4), Miaulandia (4), Reverency (4), Skje (4), Jereathiel of Jedmathia (4), Tardisell (4), Zorbae (4), Freedonian States (4), Vanderhaevan (4), Dictationapore (4), High Cyrodiil (4), Pheonix of America (4), Driestinistan (4), The Kingdom of Glitter (4), Vashtanaraada (4), Voljundok (4), The Psychic Rabbits (4), Heritick Farmland (4), Naval Monte (4), Estocrod (4), Tomdria (3), New Anglo-America (3), Kazokia (3), Burleson 2 (3), Anarchy at its best (3), Siburria (3), Crossbourgh (3), Tenjouin (3), Yakuman (3), Ebolvania (3), Junky jinks (3), Ribandon (3), Sayedd (3), Jumalariik (3), New Fiore (3), United Sectors of Earth (3), Abzockhausen (3), Ranoria (3), Absura (3), Helghast Dominance (3), Meeptropolis (3), Karsopolis (3), Bakarussian (3), Big Bosses Dream (3), Domar (3), Anthexis (3), Valorono (3), PR of Concord (3), True Sidonia (3), Polloxune (2), Alsheb (2), Monotter Republic (2), Nolanation (2), Pyrox (2), NuevoPaisVasco (2), Rayleaa (2), Krikey (2), Sobaira (2), Kwabzland (2), Westerbush (2), Riemannian (2), The Evil Overlords (2), Neckar Svodia (2), Northern republic of America (2), SLATTSENW (2), Israelcube (2), Tigre200 (2), New Commonwealth of Australia (2), Nava Siam (2), Estremaura (2), Tutukerala (2), Counter Strikes (2), Veiledwheels (2), Warsaw and Lublin (2), Geek and Sundry (2), New Nationale Einheit (2), Isantri (2), Icesun (2), Govestudub (2), Zinzinn (2), Gepartia (2), 5p01Ler (2), Ladros (2), Iklonia (2), The Republic of Demolatti (2), Courtian (2), The United Stahns (2), Creepwood (2), Zufallia (2), The Utopian Republic of America (2), Vellerum (2), HARD JAZZ (2), Isaciaria (2), The new fandom republic (2), The United States of Soviet Britain (2), Dracoslavai (2), Shinda Sekai Sensen SSS (2), Levitation (2), Monos (2), Kuamwa tribe (2), Sombreterre (2), The Norwegian Lands (2), Mostly Just Sad People (2), Aluthera (2), Wall Maria II (2), Nevridia (2), Billfania (2), and (1,046) individual WA member nations.

Votes Against: 4,320: Markanite (342), Darkesia (267), Mousebumples (254), Westnesia (173), Solorni (156), Tim Stark (129), Cemetery Sentinels (94), Republic of Wales and Scotland (82), Acario (80), Aelbarrow (56), De La Malvarma (55), The Royal Hapsburgs (53), Mikeswill (44), Soviet Sovereignty (35), United Kingdom WA Delegate (33), Servoth (33), NewTexas (33), Albarusija (30), The Emerald World (27), The High Lords (24), Dominionaire (23), Themightymanuel (21), Hawkwick (20), Whestion (17), Atealia (17), Baconbacon123 (16), Treanemark (13), Muzztopia (13), Ninja Kittens (12), Rhodevus (11), Rapallo (11), SteeseFridas (10), Flinch Cat (10), United Peoples Republic of Lewisham (9), The Emerald Rose (9), Zaitra (9), XScLs_FreeLand (9), Conservative Idealism in Libertatem (8), The Ruhr (8), The Socialist Provinces of Xihanlang (8), Cookieanity (8), Father motherland (8), Patridam (8), The Benzopolis Empire (7), The Earth Space (7), Tithusland (7), EggJuice (7), Bogans and Boozers (7), Vistulstrana (6), Nickel Empire (6), Maveria (6), The Atlas Rebellion (6), Third Untergang Republic (6), Maoist People (6), Liberating Josh (6), Crosvica (6), Wabacha (6), Dagnia (6), Aurithium (6), Little Tralfamadore (6), Borkistan (5), The Jaclean empire (5), Blacknesss (5), The Mondas federation (5), The Greater Korean Federation (5), Frostiar (5), DarthStassen (5), Three Weasels (5), TheBrigeBetween (5), Islamic Republic of Allah (5), Regica (5), Kiribati-Tarawa (5), McIsraelSauce (4), Unbesiegbar Prussian Reich (4), East Klent (4), Kleinekatzen (4), Zapharus Inc (4), Chester Pearson (4), Novum Alexandria (4), Lasnia (4), Democratic Republic of Black Power (4), Poldarias (4), Capicalibera (3), Luthionia (3), Dragon Scales (3), Selenaqui (3), Aior (3), Grofazland (3), The Confederacy of Nationalism (3), Otemigoland (3), Xorlarrin (3), Trolunited (3), Naemnos (3), The Smeig (3), MX4nation (3), Moboquestria (3), Varicstan (3), Bryganland (3), Acruxia (3), The Titan Order (3), United Capitalist States of America (3), That Island 2 (3), Thodisia (3), The United Kingdom of the Soviets (3), Tahkor (3), Sagyejeol (3), The World Worker (2), Nottinghaven (2), Webus (2), Universal Corporations (2), Nerotysia (2), Arkolon (2), Fayley (2), Confederation Of United Nations (2), Nerdingham (2), Metalvania (2), Kelinfort (2), Harrytown (2), Rustus (2), Brand New Gondor (2), Terrorists army of the Postal Dude (2), Jasque (2), Darnana (2), The Archiepelago (2), Duvo (2), Thai-land (2), Hallensbane (2), Sn on Earth (2), Kevin Christopher Elrod (2), 1-502nd Airborne Inf (2), Transyl (2), Karabraxos (2), Kisfvonia (2), Bence land (2), The Bereaved (2), United Dependencies (2), Jupilora (2), The Children of Celestia (2), Oh bby (2), The Elysian Accord (2), Tuesday Heights (2), Liberidad (2), Lorethia (2), The Fourth Republic of Yugoslavia (2), Jscorpio (2), Montage Parody (2), Canadalandland (2), 201 (2), United Christian (2), Adainia (2), Cheesesnackistan (2), Garrybalding (2), The Soviet Reformation (2), White Noise (2), Duwhelia (2), Krankor (2), Dragonic nation (2), Skye-Hale (2), Goji Empire (2), and (1,657) individual WA member nations.

Notice how more individual WA nations have voted against you.

Why? Because they can see bullshit this transparent when they see it.

[Ynys Prydain]

Notice how more individual WA nations have voted against you.

Why? Because they can see bullshit this transparent when they see it.

Alternatively, because people vote based on the way the vote is stacked from the beginning -- e.g., if a proposal is crushed with an initial stack of ~900 votes cast by four or five Delegates, one of whom is also a WA forum moderator, as this one was, individual WA nations will vote against. This is a well documented phenomenon.

The only thing this proves is that The New Inquisition has four or five allies who wield entirely too much power in the World Assembly -- including a moderator whose abuses of power are nearly as bad as Mallorea and Riva's -- and that defender Delegates who wield similar power aren't nearly as committed to condemning imperialists as they should be.

In any event, this will be the last WA resolution I attempt, so you can all return to commending raiders when this vote closes. The Security Council apparently exists to reward raiders and rogue Delegates, and for no other purpose.

[Consular]

You act almost surprised. Did you expect us to not ask people to vote against?

[Ynys Prydain]

You act almost surprised. Did you expect us to not ask people to vote against?

Obviously not, I'm just sickened that your regions have enough WA nations to control the Security Council. Obviously someone needs to thoroughly purge them whenever and wherever possible.

[Consular]

Because obviously people disagreeing with you, the all knowing Cormac the righteous, means they're bad people, right?

[Ynys Prydain]

Because obviously people disagreeing with you, the all knowing Cormac the righteous, means they're bad people, right?

Disagreeing with condemnation of a region that has invaded a Sinker and supported coups against three other Feeders and Sinkers would indicate that, yes. There are only nine. Does TNI need to collect them all before we condemn?

[Consular]

Or maybe, and just consider this possibility for a second, I know it seems outrageous, but bare with me, maybe the rest of the world sees these events you describe a little differently than you? You know, maybe even looking at things in context, and without the massive grudge that seems to motivate you at the moment. The world is not black and white, and it is possible, despite how strange this might seem, for people who are not Cormac to have different perceptions and opinions than Cormac. Hell, having such different opinions might not even make them bad people after all, imagine that.

[Ynys Prydain]

Or maybe, and just consider this possibility for a second, I know it seems outrageous, but bare with me, maybe the rest of the world sees these events you describe a little differently than you? You know, maybe even looking at things in context, and without the massive grudge that seems to motivate you at the moment. The world is not black and white, and it is possible, despite how strange this might seem, for people who are not Cormac to have different perceptions and opinions than Cormac. Hell, having such different opinions might not even make them bad people after all, imagine that.

TNI's allies don't care that TNI coups and raids because TNI's allies are, themselves, coupers and raiders. It really is that simple, because stacking by TNI's allies -- and 10000 Islands, probably just because I'm the author -- is the only reason this resolution is failing.

The world of gameplay is black and white. There are people who raid and there are people who defend regions against those people. The shades of gray are bullshit disguises worn by raiders who like to play politician, and nothing more.

[Consular]

Or maybe the resolution is failing because it is full of inaccuracies, and delegates know this.

Of course, as you yourself identified, part of the problem is also having you as an author. Your lack of credibility is rather well documented by now.

[Onderkelkia]

That you and Durk were saying the same things indicates that you did know what was going on, probably due to your involvement in Albion"

Albion was not supplied any information regarding UIAF operations before it joined. Cerebella, in his capacity as Joint Commander of the UIAF at that point, was aware of the details but he did not disclose the plan to anyone else in Albion order to avoid Gatesville learning what the UIAF's intentions were.

Only a handful of individuals in TNI/LKE knew what our strategy in the Osiris deployment was. It wasn't spread around to random people in allied regions.

No, they weren't exclusively to the benefit of Osiris. Severance of relations with the UDL and the FRA, withdrawal from the PSSP, and the subsequent treaties with the UIAF member regions -- these were all to the benefit of the UIAF member regions, and to the detriment of Osiris in that they isolated Osiris into the imperialist sphere and made Osiris dependent upon your alliances.

NES delivered the end of the coup. Your sole basis for the specific suggestion that he sought to prolong it are these claims that he supplied influence estimates to Durk - based on logs which Durk claims to be inauthentic. In any case, if NES did provide such data, it was more likely than not an attempt to deceive Durk, considering that deceiving Gatesville and Durk was the centrepiece of the entire UIAF strategy - a highly successful strategy at that.

The UIAF was well aware that there was every chance that Osiris would rip up the deal reached with Gatesville - it was just necessary to reach that point.

The UIAF benefited from the 'liberation' of Osiris, but so did Osiris. Simply because the UIAF benefited from its actions does not make it condemnable.

Why would any Feeder or Sinker in its right mind form an alliance with TNI to the exclusion of its fellow Feeder and Sinker regions, given your abominable record of supporting Feeder and Sinker coups? Why would anyone knowingly choose a region that supported the Crimson Order, supported the Empire, declared war on TNP, and invaded TRR over their fellow Feeders and Sinkers?

We invaded The Rejected Realms (for the duration of 1 update, with no lasting material destruction) as a result of a declaration of war. That's not suggestive of how we approach game-created regions on which we have not declared war - our allies understand the difference between war and peace.

With regard to events involving TNP and the Empire, you are talking about events in 2008, in a very different gameplay landscape with very different material interests involved for all parties. Since them, TNI has made significant contributions to ending GCR coups in TSP (twice) and in Osiris.

Considering that the current government of Lazarus came to power following a 2013 purge, then one can see they would choose TNI over them.

including a moderator whose abuses of power are nearly as bad as Mallorea and Riva's

When exactly has Mousebumples abused her power as a moderator in favour of the Independent sphere?

Or does simply disagreeing with you about non-moderation issues count as an abuse of power now?

The opposition of Europeia to a condemnation of TNI is what you'd expect under any president and WAD; it is nothing to do with her moderator status.

to alleged defenders 10000 Islands on making sure this had no chance of passing.

10000 Islands are by far the most consistent and rigid defenders in the game.

There's nothing "alleged" about it just because they refuse to sign up to your agenda.

It really is that simple, because stacking by TNI's allies -- and 10000 Islands, probably just because I'm the author -- is the only reason this resolution is failing.

This is the third time a condemnation of TNI has been presented. It failed on the previous two occasions, the last time very heavily.

TNI's enemies are running the same thing over and over again, and attributing the same outcome to specifc circumstances on each occasion.

If this resolution were to pass on the basis of defender votes, one could make the exact same complaint reversed - that it was done by TNI's enemies.

You can identify which voters swung the vote if you like - any vote in the Security Council naturally is determined by how regions decide to vote. You're basically complaining that people who disagree with you have dared to vote on the resolution - the implication is that their opinions somehow shouldn't count or are less valid. If you want a system in which some factions are excluded or everyone votes on the same criteria, that's not the Security Council.

Obviously someone needs to thoroughly purge them whenever and wherever possible.

You appear to be advocating purging the allies of TNI who have voted against this resolution to remove the elements who disagree with you.

This is the same attitude which made defenders tolerate the coup of Lazarus - complete double standards compared to the rhetoric in this resolution.

[Killer Kitty]

It really is that simple, because stacking by TNI's allies -- and 10000 Islands, probably just because I'm the author -- is the only reason this resolution is failing.

*checks XKI's forums*

Doesn't appear to be the case at all.

One member did say that they were thinking about abstaining, however, because "there's a lot of stuff in this proposal that only Cormac is defending on the forums".

Nothing to suggest they are voting against because Cormac is the proposal's author.

[Consular]

I also feel the need to say that you really don't have any right to lecture XKI on what it means to be a real defender. They have been incredibly consistent in their attitude and approach over the past ten years, and are, undeniably in my own opinion, the most reliable defenders in this game. You on the other hand... Well, I don't think we really need to revisit your dubious record. You might say your past isn't relevant, but when you claim the moral high ground so unanimously, I'm afraid it does in fact matter.

[Ynys Prydain]

You appear to be advocating purging the allies of TNI who have voted against this resolution to remove the elements who disagree with you.

I only appear to be advocating it? Then I'm not being clear enough.

As soon as I resign WA on this nation, it will be in one of the Feeders or Sinkers that has a treaty alliance with a UIAF member region and it will be there until it finishes the job it sets out to do -- which is create as much destruction in that region as possible.

Have fun playing "Where's Cormac?" for however long it takes. And hey, if you find me, the beauty of puppets is that I can just make another, and another, until one day when you're not expecting it I am the Delegate of Balder The West Pacific oh, who knows really...

[Killer Kitty]

As soon as I resign WA on this nation, it will be in one of the Feeders or Sinkers that has a treaty alliance with a UIAF member region and it will be there until it finishes the job it sets out to do -- which is create as much destruction in that region as possible.

Have fun playing "Where's Cormac?" for however long it takes. And hey, if you find me, the beauty of puppets is that I can just make another, and another, until one day when you're not expecting it I am the Delegate of Balder The West Pacific oh, who knows really...

Maybe you can get in good with the PRL with all the other traitors who sold out their honor and values for power.

How are you any better than the imperialists you preach against, again?

[Consular]

You appear to be advocating purging the allies of TNI who have voted against this resolution to remove the elements who disagree with you.

I only appear to be advocating it? Then I'm not being clear enough.

As soon as I resign WA on this nation, it will be in one of the Feeders or Sinkers that has a treaty alliance with a UIAF member region and it will be there until it finishes the job it sets out to do -- which is create as much destruction in that region as possible.

Have fun playing "Where's Cormac?" for however long it takes. And hey, if you find me, the beauty of puppets is that I can just make another, and another, until one day when you're not expecting it I am the Delegate of Balder The West Pacific oh, who knows really...

I'm just going to quote this for evidentiary purposes.

>claims to be defender
>unambiguously threatens the sovereignty of a number of GCRs

[Ynys Prydain]

Maybe you can get in good with the PRL with all the other traitors who sold out their honor and values for power.

How are you any better than the imperialists you preach against, again?

There are limited ways to have any impact on imperialists. Defending isn't getting it and you control the Security Council now, so I'll have to hit you where it hurts: your Feeder and Sinker colonies.

I'm just going to quote this for evidentiary purposes.

>claims to be defender
>unambiguously threatens the sovereignty of a number of GCRs

I'm only defender to oppose imperialists. I don't defend for moral reasons, I defend because I like to wipe the floor with the people I'm defending against. Defending isn't having any impact so it's time for a new approach.

[Onderkelkia]

Maybe you can get in good with the PRL with all the other traitors who sold out their honor and values for power.

How are you any better than the imperialists you preach against, again?

There are limited ways to have any impact on imperialists. Defending isn't getting it and you control the Security Council now, so I'll have to hit you where it hurts: your Feeder and Sinker colonies.

You know perfectly well that The West Pacific, The North Pacific, Osiris and Balder, the GCR allies of UIAF regions, are not colonies in the slightest sense.

They are sovereign regions with their own decision-making. You are now threatening to purge them because three of them have voted against you.

As for Evil Wolf, I must have forgotten when he joined our payroll - he's not in TNI, LKE or Albion, so it wouldn't hurt him in any case - indeed, he is probably the prominent serious raider we've historically had the most disagreements with.

I'm only defender to oppose imperialists. I don't defend for moral reasons, I defend because I like to wipe the floor with the people I'm defending against. Defending isn't having any impact so it's time for a new approach.

As we have been saying all along, it has been spite and vendettas, not any ethics, that have been driving you.