[Abandoned] Repeal "Commend Westwind"

[KaelThas Quilor]

Repudiating the sinister, utilitarian notion advanced by Westwind that the subversion, invasion, and disruption of sovereign regional communities and their right to self-determination can be justified for the sake of increasing regional or interregional activity;

Yes. Got rid of the ideological fluff. Totally.

I think you could stand to point out that the whole TWP guardians concept isn't as clear cut, like you did the first time.

[Cormac Stark]

Yes. Got rid of the ideological fluff. Totally.

I said I eliminated "much of the ideological argumentation of the first draft," which is true. All ideological argumentation has not been removed, but I never claimed that it had. This draft is nonetheless much more factual than the prior draft.

The inclusion of the word "sovereign" before "regional communities" does reduce even the ideological potency of the clause you cited. Various regional communities define and interpret sovereignty in various ways, but there is no question that Westwind has advanced the notion that damage even to regional communities which almost everyone considers sovereign can be justified on activity grounds.

I think you could stand to point out that the whole TWP guardians concept isn't as clear cut, like you did the first time.

I was advised that such language was hindering the repeal effort, an assessment with which I agreed. Besides, as noted previously, opinion on The West Pacific's system is divided, so including that as grounds to repeal the commendation while the jury of history is still out seems inappropriate, in hindsight.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Yes, he does that, but calling it 'sinister' serves no purpose but grinding an axe.

[Cormac Stark]

Yes, he does that, but calling it 'sinister' serves no purpose but grinding an axe.

I don't have any axe to grind because I don't have any problem with Westwind, we've always gotten along pretty well -- though I don't know how that may be impacted by this repeal, but I hope he knows it isn't personal.

I happen to believe that view of gameplay is sinister, by gameplay standards. I think most WA voters will agree with me. That is the purpose of the inclusion of that word.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I don't have any axe to grind because I don't have any problem with Westwind, we've always gotten along pretty well -- though I don't know how that may be impacted by this repeal, but I hope he knows it isn't personal.

Of course not. Just a bad case of "tall poppy" syndrome.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Yes, he does that, but calling it 'sinister' serves no purpose but grinding an axe.

I don't have any axe to grind because I don't have any problem with Westwind, we've always gotten along pretty well -- though I don't know how that may be impacted by this repeal, but I hope he knows it isn't personal.

I happen to believe that view of gameplay is sinister, by gameplay standards. I think most WA voters will agree with me. That is the purpose of the inclusion of that word.

Your axe is with (until you switch again) people who are independent and Imperialist.

The word Sinister adds no factual value and is a subjective word that only serves to scaremonger your audience, not enlighten or establish a real case for this repeal.

[Evil Wolf]

Repudiating the sinister, utilitarian notion advanced by Westwind that the subversion, invasion, and disruption of sovereign regional communities and their right to self-determination can be justified for the sake of increasing regional or interregional activity;

This bullet requires more meaningless descriptive adjectives to cover up the fact that it's language so vague, it's quite hard to tell what Westwind is actually being accused of.

Other than that, looks good!

[Ynys Prydain]

I have decided not to pursue repeal of Westwind's commendation at this time. Westwind -- and hell, just about everyone else -- deserves to remain commended whilst Evil Wolf is commended by the Security Council. To repeal Westwind's commendation with a commendation of Evil Wolf on the books seems like missing the forest for the trees.

[KaelThas Quilor]

I have decided not to pursue repeal of Westwind's commendation at this time. Westwind -- and hell, just about everyone else -- deserves to remain commended whilst Evil Wolf is commended by the Security Council. To repeal Westwind's commendation with a commendation of Evil Wolf on the books seems like missing the forest for the trees.

I expect Commend Cormac Stark to be coming soon then?

[Ynys Prydain]

I expect Commend Cormac Stark to be coming soon then?

As stated elsewhere, I don't believe I deserve commendation and would oppose any effort to commend me.

But getting back to something actually relevant to this thread, I don't think it makes sense to repeal Westwind's commendation, when he has done more good and less bad than Evil Wolf, while Evil Wolf remains commended.

[Chester Pearson]

.... I don't think it makes sense to repeal Westwind's commendation, when he has done more good and less bad than Evil Wolf, while Evil Wolf remains commended.

If only we could all possess your morals. The world would be a far worse place....

[KaelThas Quilor]

I expect Commend Cormac Stark to be coming soon then?

As stated elsewhere, I don't believe I deserve commendation and would oppose any effort to commend me.

But getting back to something actually relevant to this thread, I don't think it makes sense to repeal Westwind's commendation, when he has done more good and less bad than Evil Wolf, while Evil Wolf remains commended.

Your point was that commend evil wolf had somehow cheapened the commend (it was pretty damn cheap already). Which means that a commend Cormac Stark actually is reasonable now, if Commend is somehow so cheap all of a sudden.

[Consular]

Well, I'm not going to complain. Saves me some effort.