[PASSED] Commend Evil Wolf

[Mallorea and Riva]

Why?

Because it's reprehensible behavior. On that I think most of us are agreed - certainly the imperialist regions thought so in 2011, as they terminated relations with Lone Wolves United over it. They've now accepted Evil Wolf's apology and are moving on, but that doesn't negate that cooperation with The Greater German Reich did occur.

Just as his negative history doesn't erase the positive, his positive contributions don't erase his troubling history. The totality of his history has to be taken into account, and someone who cooperated with The Greater German Reich and believed they should be included under the umbrella of mainstream invader unity, at any point, is not someone the Security Council should commend.

I disagree. Without Evil Wolf Nazi Europe would still be in Nazi hands, he has apologized and paid his dues. Everyone else has moved on.

[Todd McCloud]

Why not let the voters determine if the past blemish is negated?

I believe it is.

[The Rainbow Collective]

I'm sure voters will determine it. It's not like I'm filibustering here.

What I'm saying is that I oppose this commendation and I think others should oppose it for these reasons. That said, The North Pacific alone carries a gargantuan number of WA votes for early voting on this, not even to mention its allies, and I expect it will pass, though it should not - hence why I also offered suggestions to improve it.

which was passing on North Pacific Army mission information on to the UDL High Command

Too many "on"s here.

[Zaolat]

I'm sure voters will determine it. It's not like I'm filibustering here.

What I'm saying is that I oppose this commendation and I think others should oppose it for these reasons. That said, The North Pacific alone carries a gargantuan number of WA votes for early voting on this, not even to mention its allies, and I expect it will pass, though it should not - hence why I also offered suggestions to improve it.

which was passing on North Pacific Army mission information on to the UDL High Command

Too many "on"s here.

It's 2015 now. It was one blemish.

[The Rainbow Collective]

It's 2015 now. It was one blemish.

Well, no, it wasn't just one blemish really. It's the most serious blemish.

The broader issue is that Evil Wolf is an invader and with very few exceptions, usually long after their invading days are behind them, the Security Council does not commend invaders. I mean, aside from the issue with The Greater German Reich, it should be kept in mind that on behalf of Lone Wolves United, Evil Wolf has invaded and griefed innocent, vulnerable communities for amusement. That doesn't scream commendation either.

The cognitive dissonance required to commend the nation that serves as Founder of one of the small handful of condemned regions is too much for me, basically.

[Jakker]

You know, Rainbow, for someone who made a big deal about removing themselves from the "toxic" of gameplay, you seem to be still immersing yourself fully in all its toxic glory

[The Stalker]

No one retires, we're all addicted, don't judge.

I do think condemning would work equally as well, given his raider history, but to me a badge is a badge, one or the other, it's wash to me. Anyone who's played the game this long and done so much has earned one in my book.

[Zaolat]

It's 2015 now. It was one blemish.

Well, no, it wasn't just one blemish really. It's the most serious blemish.

The broader issue is that Evil Wolf is an invader and with very few exceptions, usually long after their invading days are behind them, the Security Council does not commend invaders. I mean, aside from the issue with The Greater German Reich, it should be kept in mind that on behalf of Lone Wolves United, Evil Wolf has invaded and griefed innocent, vulnerable communities for amusement. That doesn't scream commendation either.

The cognitive dissonance required to commend the nation that serves as Founder of one of the small handful of condemned regions is too much for me, basically.

It is not in fact the most serious blemish, I can name off the top of my head a few that are worse than raiding with pretend Nazis in a Game. I'm not going to get into who are real Nazis pretending to be Nazis as that is a statistic impossible for me to gather and thus irrelevant. Seriously, what Jakker just said. I get you have a Socialist persona now so fighting the fash is apart of that, but you're being Cormac under a different name.

Also you say he invaded and griefed innocent regions, you must have never had any sort of raiding career. Nope, must not have.

[The Rainbow Collective]

It is not in fact the most serious blemish, I can name off the top of my head a few that are worse than raiding with pretend Nazis in a Game.

We're talking about gameplay here, not real life. In gameplay, the only arguably worse offense is forum destruction.

Also you say he invaded and griefed innocent regions, you must have never had any sort of raiding career. Nope, must not have.

I'm not up for commendation and never will be, for my gameplay record. I'm okay with that. Evil Wolf shouldn't be up for commendation either - he has invaded and pillaged countless regions for Lone Wolves United, and has invaded regions alongside The Greater German Reich. This shouldn't even be controversial.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It is not in fact the most serious blemish, I can name off the top of my head a few that are worse than raiding with pretend Nazis in a Game.

We're talking about gameplay here, not real life. In gameplay, the only arguably worse offense is forum destruction.

Also you say he invaded and griefed innocent regions, you must have never had any sort of raiding career. Nope, must not have.

I'm not up for commendation and never will be, for my gameplay record. I'm okay with that. Evil Wolf shouldn't be up for commendation either - he has invaded and pillaged countless regions for Lone Wolves United, and has invaded regions alongside The Greater German Reich. This shouldn't even be controversial.

We've commended raiders in the past. The only controversy in this thread, and indeed the only notable opposition, has come from you

[Cormac Stark]

We've commended raiders in the past. The only controversy in this thread, and indeed the only notable opposition, has come from you

That is the purpose of this forum's existence, discussing and debating Security Council proposals.

But I'm not saying don't submit this, I'm just saying I oppose it, explaining why, and giving you a preview of what you can expect to see in the counter-campaign.

[Mallorea and Riva]

We've commended raiders in the past. The only controversy in this thread, and indeed the only notable opposition, has come from you

That is the purpose of this forum's existence, discussing and debating Security Council proposals.

But I'm not saying don't submit this, I'm just saying I oppose it, explaining why, and giving you a preview of what you can expect to see in the counter-campaign.

You just haaaaaaaaave to be difficult.

Anyways I'll give this probably until Monday for people to peruse before I submit it.

[Todd McCloud]

The first few sentences stll look a bit wonky to me:

Aware that Evil Wolf has a checkered past including raiding countless region,

Notes that typically raiding nations are not commended by this august body,

Should probably read:

Aware that Evil Wolf has a checkered past that includes raiding countless regions,

Notes that raiding nations are typically not commended by this august body,

Other than that, full support.

[Mallorea and Riva]

The first few sentences stll look a bit wonky to me:

Aware that Evil Wolf has a checkered past including raiding countless region,

Notes that typically raiding nations are not commended by this august body,

Should probably read:

Aware that Evil Wolf has a checkered past that includes raiding countless regions,

Notes that raiding nations are typically not commended by this august body,

Other than that, full support.

Fixed!

[Todd McCloud]

Thanks! Best of luck with the votes!

[Unibot III]

In 2013, as Blue Wolf II, serving as Acting Delegate and elected Vice Delegate, Evil Wolf helped uncover a United Defenders League spy, Ravania, which was passing on North Pacific Army mission information to the UDL High Command.

1. How did Evil Wolf help "uncover" Ravania? Was it not, Eluvatar, UDL Lieutenant, who reported Ravania?

2. A "spy" implies Ravania was acting in a formal intelligence capacity.

3. If Ravania reported said information to the UDL High Command - why the hell did the Chief of the Band not know about it?

[Mallorea and Riva]

In 2013, as Blue Wolf II, serving as Acting Delegate and elected Vice Delegate, Evil Wolf helped uncover a United Defenders League spy, Ravania, which was passing on North Pacific Army mission information to the UDL High Command.

1. How did Evil Wolf help "uncover" Ravania? Was it not, Eluvatar, UDL Lieutenant, who reported Ravania?

2. A "spy" implies Ravania was acting in a formal intelligence capacity.

3. If Ravania reported said information to the UDL High Command - why the hell did the Chief of the Band not know about it?

Eluvatar reported him to the government of TNP, and Wolf lead the ferocious charge to get Rav punished for his crimes as you should remember. You then demoted Elu for compromising your source within the NPA. You claimed to have learned about all of this from another source, but your LTs including Eluvatar all had access to the PDF which was leaked.

[Solorni]

It was pretty gutsy of Evil Wolf to take a political stance against the blatant espionage being conducted by UDL members.

[KaelThas Quilor]

Gutsy? Let's be fair, it wasn't like it would be politically unpopular in TNP itself. No one likes being spied on.

[Cormac Stark]

Gutsy? Let's be fair, it wasn't like it would be politically unpopular in TNP itself. No one likes being spied on.

Thank you for saying it so I didn't have to, it looks less partisan and more common sense from you.

[KaelThas Quilor]

He did seem to pursue it with a vigor that not everyone else would have brought to the matter, we'll also grant, because there was some political fallout for it, both in GP (and I'd imagine even in TNP), but I wouldn't say 'gutsy'. I would call it a principled stand, however.

[RiderSyl]

Well, no, it wasn't just one blemish really. It's the most serious blemish.

The broader issue is that Evil Wolf is an invader and with very few exceptions, usually long after their invading days are behind them, the Security Council does not commend invaders.

My response to you, Cormac, is your own quote from yesterday:

All of that happened years ago. I'm sure plenty of commended people started out questionably in NationStates.

[Cormac Stark]

Well, no, it wasn't just one blemish really. It's the most serious blemish.

The broader issue is that Evil Wolf is an invader and with very few exceptions, usually long after their invading days are behind them, the Security Council does not commend invaders.

My response to you, Cormac, is your own quote from yesterday:

All of that happened years ago. I'm sure plenty of commended people started out questionably in NationStates.

Evil Wolf hasn't modified his behavior to the same extent. He is still an invader.

[KaelThas Quilor]

That the security council doesn't commend raiders has more to do with the fact that actual raiders and raider groups prefer the condemn badge because it fits their motifs better.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Hi, Commonwealther here;

The TWP liberation was indeed operationally lead by Evil Wolf. It included troops from The Commonwealth (which LWU was a part of), The Holy Dominion Confederation, The Aeazen Combine, and a couple of other groups that only Evil Wolf would know of.