[PASSED] Commend Evil Wolf

[Redsward]

Wow, I never knew EW did all this. Changed my mind, now all for this proposal. You can oppose the proposal now, Chester.

[Old Hope]

Please read your draft again. It's illegal! Rule 4. Password.

[Crazy girl]

Password is legal in this context, see the stickied compendium for more info.

[Feux]

Well written, and well versed rhetoric. I will be voting this proposal, and likely the majority of Pacifica.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Rolheath was put in as delegate and they then restored the previous government.

Correction here. TWP proceeded under Rol with two governments while working together to replace both in favor of a new government replacing both. I was Minister of State Security for Delegate The Fayeas who resigned in protest over the government, which elevated Wickedly Evil People to the Delegacy as he was her regent. The government then sought to remove him even though he was constitutionally the official delegate. He chose to abandon the government as result.

Evil Wolf also served TWP leading The Black Sheep military, when we hosted both a defender and raider military (I beleive that was during the TAO Delegacy).

Anyway....I'll stop before I start rambling.

Other than any touching up it needs, this has my support.

Hrmmm how would you recommend rewording the clause? And do you remember what years Wolf served as the leader of The Black Sheep Squadron?

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Hrmmm how would you recommend rewording the clause? And do you remember what years Wolf served as the leader of The Black Sheep Squadron?

If memory serves correctly it was for a couple of years, 2007 - 2008. Unfortunately I no longer have access to the old TWP forums where I could find you the exact dates.

[All Good People]

Let's see....TAO's Delegacy was June 2007 to March 2008. But I don't recall exactly when the Black Sheep started and ended. Still, that gives a timeframe to work with.

I also almost worked with EW in the Laz military during his Delegacy there, and he served in my government when I was Delegate of TNP in 2008. I'm getting too hazy in my memory, I think he was Deputy Military Minister, which helped contribute to the presumption that I was going to turn TNP raider.

As to rewording that line....*ponders*...how 'bout a simple:

"Rolheath was put in as delegate and the region reunited under a new constitution. "

Rolheath wasn't seeking assistance to overthrow WEP though, as I recall he was simply the selected endorsement lead without his knowledge.

[Xoriet]

Anything involving the stymie of Frakkykins could make one Commendable.

In all seriousness I recall that Unibot wrote an article about Commendations as-yet neglected, and covered several very positive reasons as to why they would apply. The target nation is one of those, and has done many things that are good. Combined with everything listed in the resolution draft and the general awesomeness of Evil Wolf, absolute support.

[Jakker]

Anything involved the stymie of Frakkykins could make one Commendable.

In all seriousness I recall that Unibot wrote an article about Commendations as-yet neglected, and covered several very positive reasons as to why they would apply. The target nation is one of those, and has done many things that are good. Combined with everything listed in the resolution draft and the general awesomeness of Evil Wolf, absolute support.

Watch Uni claim that all of this was his idea.

[The Stalker]

Being largely responsible for taking down Nazi Europe and a myriad of other impressive accomplishments, I fully support this. I'm surprised a commending / condemning of Evil Wolf hasn't happened sooner.

[The Rainbow Collective]

Leaving aside the absurdity of commending one of the worst invaders in NationStates, this is incredibly sloppy.

Aware that Evil Wolf has a checkered past including raiding countless region,

Noting that typically raiding nations are not commended by this august body,

However concedes that the good done by Evil Wolf merits commendation,

It should be "However conceding" to be consistent with your previous clauses. Better yet would be "Conceding, however, that..."

In 2006-2007, as Killer Kitty, Evil Wolf served two legal terms as the elected "King" of Lazarus. They fought off several invasions and coup attempts, including one by JAL, a nation condemned by this body, in 2007 in which they traded the delegate seat several times over a few weeks.

If you're going to cite his condemnation by the Security Council, you should reference the nation actually condemned, which is Durkadurkiranistan II. That also looks a whole lot less sloppy than "JAL," which is short for John Ashcroft Land.

In 2009, as Anarchy Wolf/Evil Wolf, they organized, planned, and led a counter-coup against Wickedly Evil People, which had previously couped the Democratic government and instated a dictatorship. Rolheath was put in as delegate and they then restored the previous government. The raid involved about 80-100 raiders from the now defunct "The Commonwealth" super alliance.

You never say which region this occurred in. Obviously, it was The West Pacific, as anyone with a knowledge of gameplay history knows, but I'm assuming you did mean to say which region it occurred in given that most people don't have a knowledge of gameplay history.

"Couped" also isn't grammatically correct, as coup is a noun, not a verb. Try "perpetrated a coup" or "conducted a coup."

In 2010, as Blue Wolf II, while Vice Delegate of The North Pacific, Evil Wolf seized the delegacy from Durkadurkiranistan II, aka JAL, which had illegally seized the position and banned over 1,500 nations in 17 days.

The "aka JAL" part really isn't necessary.

In 2012, as Blue Wolf II, as Elected Delegate of TNP Evil Wolf restarted The North Pacific Army and selected the then untested and unknown McMasterdonia as their Minister of Defense. McMasterdonia has since proven to be an incredible asset to TNP, serving multiple times as its delegate.

If you're going to capitalize Delegate, you should consistently capitalize it.

In 2013, as Blue Wolf II, serving as Acting Delegate and elected Vice Delegate, Evil Wolf helped uncover a UDL spy, Ravania, which was passing on North Pacific Army mission information on to the UDL High Command. This later lead to an abrupt end in TNP-UDL relations and Ravania being found Guilty on the charge of Espionage.

It would make more sense to say "serving as Vice Delegate and Acting Delegate." You may also want to use some RP language such as "directing the government of Blue Wolf II" or something, since I'm not sure "as Blue Wolf II" would meet R4 requirements. One nation can't act as another nation. On the other hand, you are the WA moderator here so maybe I'm applying R4 more rigorously than usual...

As a note, Ravania was not a UDL spy as he was not assigned by the UDL to spy on the NPA, or anyone else. If you were interested in honesty, you would alter this clause accordingly. You may also want to say "United Defenders League" in the first reference to the UDL, because using an abbreviation without ever using the organization's full name is sloppy.

In 2014 Evil Wolf obtained the password to Nazi Europe from German Dragons and organized a raid against it. This lead to its direct destruction and refounding.

While this may be commendable, one can easily question his motivations - did he really want to invade Nazi Europe, or does he just want to ensure the NPA is invading - given that in 2011, Lone Wolves United was willing to work with The Greater German Reich to invade Anarchy.

And now that I've reached the conclusion of my substantive comments, let that sink in for a moment. We have before us a proposal to commend someone who, in 2011, thought it was a good idea to go raiding with The Greater German Reich. No thanks.

[Ramaeus]

Leaving aside the absurdity of commending one of the worst invaders in NationStates, this is incredibly sloppy.

I'm not commenting on the quality or lack thereof of the draft. I'll only leave this to serve as a suitable reply to the line I've quoted.

[The Rainbow Collective]

I'm not commenting on the quality or lack thereof of the draft. I'll only leave this to serve as a suitable reply to the line I've quoted.

Evil Wolf is no 1 Infinite Loop. The commendable points in this draft pale in comparison to what Loop did.

And aside from that, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Loop ever invaded regions with, y'know, Nazis.

[Ramaeus]

Evil Wolf is no 1 Infinite Loop. The commendable points in this draft pale in comparison to what Loop did.

And aside from that, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think Loop ever invaded regions with, y'know, Nazis.

I won't dispute that. But a lack of information in this draft doesn't automatically discard any achievements of Evil Wolf. If Mall completes this draft, then a judgement on the worthiness of the candidate would be permissible. That is, unless you happen to be familiar with almost every noteworthy aspect of Evil Wolf's career.

Loop invaded Nazi regions, certainly, but I'm fairly certain that he never invaded with Nazis.

[Corvus Corax]

Loop invaded Nazi regions, certainly, but I'm fairly certain that he never invaded with Nazis.

Hardly relevant. By my personal experiences it was very difficult to know for sure did I invaded nazis with nazi(s) within Antifa ranks. It is certain that we had Antifas within nazi ranks, whom also participated to invasion Antifa/Left wing regions.

Nowadays I do not care that much whom I raid/invade with as long as TBR tagging protocol is followed when TBR raids, and normal etiquette and code of conduct of inter-organisational (The Raider Unity) raider operations is followed sufficiently...

and I have some reasons to believe EW doesn't care either.

[The Rainbow Collective]

Nowadays I do not care that much whom I raid/invade with as long as TBR tagging protocol is followed when TBR raids, and normal etiquette and code of conduct of inter-organisational (The Raider Unity) raider operations is followed sufficiently...

and I have some reasons to believe EW doesn't care either.

You're right, he doesn't care. That was why he was willing to include The Greater German Reich in Lone Wolves United's invasion of Anarchy in 2011, because they are invaders and fall under the banner of invader unity for the most extreme among you.

That is, incidentally, why he should never be commended. He is not only an invader but one of the most extreme invaders in NationStates, so extreme that he is even willing to invade alongside Nazis - until, of course, he invades them too. As long as he is invading, it's all good. The Security Council has a badge for invaders like that, but it's the condemnation badge, not the commendation badge.

[Corvus Corax]

A Badge for being extremely good in what he has done.

Someone has commended for being good in crafting WA-GA proposals.
Other for his/hers contributions to GCR roleplays.
Third one for his/hers activities in Defending business.
Another for being extremely active on forums, thus managed reached a status of celebrity of some sort
Etc. Etc.

Why not then the raider for being good in what raiders do?

(Totally regardless of is he pot-smoking hippie, bored bureaucrat wasting his work time in an office of his employer, militant jihadist from Jemen or drunken single mother spending too much time online, what ever... )

[Mallorea and Riva]

Added in the changes mentioned by Cormac, Corax I'm still trying to decipher what you said but I'm sure it was supportive so thank you.

[Corvus Corax]

Sorry Mall. Full support.

(Seldom I can be sure people can understand what I mean)

Last comments in other words: EW is that good raider that he can take almost what ever role and play it to the end. A Characteristic of extremely good raider -> Commendable for being good raider: Nazi/Commie/UCR/GRC/small/big/roleplayer... etc, what ever .You target it and you break it.

[Todd McCloud]

To the argument that LWU worked with GGR:

Most raiders, at least back then (don't know if things have changed) do have preferences as to whom they work with. But, in a pinch, if they believe they'll be short a few for a raid, they will simply go for "warm bodies", i.e., raiders from any region who happen to be on-line. Probably what happened is that they were short a few and needed another group to step up. That group happened to be GGR. This is probable judging from the fact that they were listed last in the raid - either they provided the least amount of nations, or they were the last guys contacted. It's more or less a non-issue for those experienced with the R/D game.

Anyway, judging by how EW planned the NE thing and how long it was discussed in certain circles... it's more than safe to say that he didn't just do it for the glory of the NPA. It was a clever attack against a region that had long been a target.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I think ensuring the destruction of Nazi Europe outweighs once using GGR troops as backup for a raid.

[North East Somerset]

Evil Wolf has had a lucrative history in NS, and has as this resolution reveals, they have achieved a great many things in many different regions.

The only blot on this which comes to mind is the invitation of GGR to help secure the occupation of Anarchy in 2011, which Cormac has already raised. At the time I viewed that as both a military and political mistake. I'd like to point out though that EW has long since offered an apology on the matter, which I think everyone involved has accepted. And he also went further to join in both words and actions the fight against Nazism in NS, so I'm not going to hold that episode against him anymore.

In October 2011, the Lone Wolves United (LWU) invaded the region Anarchy. As Khan of the LWU, I requested the assistance of the Europeian Republican Navy (ERN) in securing the region, a request that the ERN acknowledged. Afterwards, I proceeded to invite the region of the Greater German Reich (GGR) to join the operation. As a consequence, the ERN departed from Anarchy in protest, citing Europeia's long-standing policy against Naziism.

At the time my reaction was to vocally protest the decision in the Europeian forum, accusing the ERN of violating my trust and hurting the LWU by abandoning the operation. This resulted in my eventual declaration as a persona non grata by the Europeian government.

I have now come to realize that it was a mistake for me to solicit the support of GGR: cooperation with those spreading the hateful ideology of Naziism cannot be justified under any circumstances. Therefore, I recognize that the decision of the ERN to depart from Anarchy was completely warranted, and I wish to apologise to Europeia for my previous remarks on their forum.

Since the Anarchy incident, the LWU have revised their stance towards Nazi regions, and have joined the interregional effort to combat them. Most prominently, the LWU infiltrated the region of Nazi EUROPE, enabling a joint interregional operation against them in March 2013.

In light of the above, I hope that Europeia and the LWU can put the Anarchy incident behind us, restart our relations, and in the future join forces against NationStates Nazis.

I fully support the Commendation.

[The Rainbow Collective]

I'm not saying Evil Wolf's cooperation with The Greater German Reich in 2011 negates the positive that he has done since then, nor am I saying that we shouldn't move on from it and accept his apology.

But we can accept an apology and move on without offering commendation. Apologies and forgiveness do not necessarily mean that the consequences for one's actions are eliminated. Working with The Greater German Reich should take commendation off the table as a possibility.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I'm not saying Evil Wolf's cooperation with The Greater German Reich in 2011 negates the positive that he has done since then, nor am I saying that we shouldn't move on from it and accept his apology.

But we can accept an apology and move on without offering commendation. Apologies and forgiveness do not necessarily mean that the consequences for one's actions are eliminated. Working with The Greater German Reich should take commendation off the table as a possibility.

Why?

[The Rainbow Collective]

I'm not saying Evil Wolf's cooperation with The Greater German Reich in 2011 negates the positive that he has done since then, nor am I saying that we shouldn't move on from it and accept his apology.

But we can accept an apology and move on without offering commendation. Apologies and forgiveness do not necessarily mean that the consequences for one's actions are eliminated. Working with The Greater German Reich should take commendation off the table as a possibility.

Why?

Because it's reprehensible behavior. On that I think most of us are agreed - certainly the imperialist regions thought so in 2011, as they terminated relations with Lone Wolves United over it. They've now accepted Evil Wolf's apology and are moving on, but that doesn't negate that cooperation with The Greater German Reich did occur.

Just as his negative history doesn't erase the positive, his positive contributions don't erase his troubling history. The totality of his history has to be taken into account, and someone who cooperated with The Greater German Reich and believed they should be included under the umbrella of mainstream invader unity, at any point, is not someone the Security Council should commend.