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Condemn United Klotecnia

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Condemn Klotecnia

Yes
15
52%
No
12
41%
Abstain
2
7%
 
Total votes : 29

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Hvalfyurden
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Condemn United Klotecnia

Postby Hvalfyurden » Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:52 pm

I hereby wish to instate a vote to condemn United Klotecnia for the following:
-Leading three regional wars in the USSR
-Godmoding his fascist rebellions into other nations of the region
-Stating he is a far right ultranationalist in a communist region
-Trolling
-When asked to leave the region, he refused
-Calls the region unwanted titles
-Claims that the USSR nations that ask Klotecnia to leave's in-real-life nations are the reason he sees his "home" country as corrupt
-Is godmoding unrestricted nuclear arms on three other nations in the region
-Disagrees with everything the region (the USSR) stands for, but refuses to leave or stay quiet

Proof of this all can be found upon the USSR message board. Myself and several other nations of the USSR move to condemn the nation United Klotecnia for its crimes, and we also move to have itself, and it's puppet nations removed from the USSR permanently. and prevent them from ever being able to post upon our message board.

Edit: Klotecnia has left the USSR, however, we still move to condemn his actions.

Edit 2: Currently, his puppet nations are known as Yevakovia and the Empire of Thailand (as proven on the USSR message board)
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Yevakovia
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Postby Yevakovia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:32 am

Hvalfyurden wrote:I hereby wish to instate a vote to condemn United Klotecnia for the following:
-Leading three regional wars in the USSR (invalid evidence)
-Godmoding his fascist rebellions into other nations of the region
-Stating he is a far right ultranationalist in a communist region
-Trolling
-When asked to leave the region, he refused (
-Calls the region unwanted titles (in response to Conslavia's calling of Klotecnia, 'treacherous dogs')
-Claims that the USSR nations that ask Klotecnia to leave's in-real-life nations are the reason he sees his "home" country as corrupt (The previous Thai governments are corrupt due to the United States specifically)
-Is godmoding unrestricted nuclear arms on three other nations in the region (when Klotecnia was hit by Bratislavskayan weapons)
-Disagrees with everything the region (the USSR) stands for, but refuses to leave or stay quiet (this is a sign of un-democracy)

Proof of this all can be found upon the USSR message board. Myself and several other nations of the USSR move to condemn the nation United Klotecnia for its crimes, and we also move to have itself, and it's puppet nations removed from the USSR permanently. and prevent them from ever being able to post upon our message board.

Edit: Klotecnia has left the USSR, however, we still move to condemn his actions.

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Yevakovia
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Postby Yevakovia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:33 am

This poll is bias.

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Crazy girl
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Postby Crazy girl » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:25 am

Well....read the stickies and draft a proposal here to get feedback from other players.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:10 am

I would very much like to know what an obstain is. This is the real issue here.

Can we hunt it? Could it be herded into national reserves? Can we ride it into battle?
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Postby New Carloso » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:12 am

Valaran wrote:I would very much like to know what an obstain is. This is the real issue here.

Can we hunt it? Could it be herded into national reserves? Can we ride it into battle?

Ride it into battle madam.
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Postby Hvalfyurden » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:58 am

Yevakovia wrote:This poll is bias.

How is this poll bias, do you even understand what the word "bias" means?

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Postby Redsward » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:28 pm

Don't condemn godmodders and trolls for what they do. Site rule violations should be reported, not used for condemnations.
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Postby Hvalfyurden » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:25 pm

Redsward wrote:Don't condemn godmodders and trolls for what they do. Site rule violations should be reported, not used for condemnations.

We tried that on several occasions, this was our only other option.

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Postby Redsward » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:01 pm

Hvalfyurden wrote:
Redsward wrote:Don't condemn godmodders and trolls for what they do. Site rule violations should be reported, not used for condemnations.

We tried that on several occasions, this was our only other option.

Rule violations are not worth the attention of the WA. Besides, it is a violation of Security Council Proposal Rule 2C and 4A. G-Modding and trolling are OOC activities that go on in the real world. So that violates 4A. And trolling is also illegal, so that violates 2C.

Ardchoille wrote:2. Proposals must contain a unique and relevant argument.
That means:

...

(c) Don't use proposals to raise issues that should be dealt with elsewhere, such as rules violations and technical suggestions.

...

4. Your proposal must read as representing the opinion of the World Assembly, and as targeting a Nation or Region.
This means:
(a) You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates.
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Postby Redsward » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:48 pm

And you also mentioned Klotecnia referencing RL nations. Thus, you are referencing it too. Another violation of Rule 4A.
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The Sednarik Administration
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Postby The Sednarik Administration » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:54 pm

Hvalfyurden wrote:
Yevakovia wrote:This poll is bias.

How is this poll bias, do you even understand what the word "bias" means?


I know what the definition of 'bias' is, what I meant was.

1 [ mass noun ] inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair: there was evidence of bias against black applicants | the bias towards younger people in recruitment.
• a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject: his work showed a discernible bias towards philosophy.
a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.


Klotecnia
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United Klotecnia
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Postby United Klotecnia » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:11 pm

The Sednarik Administration wrote:
Hvalfyurden wrote:How is this poll bias, do you even understand what the word "bias" means?


I know what the definition of 'bias' is, what I meant was.

1 [ mass noun ] inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair: there was evidence of bias against black applicants | the bias towards younger people in recruitment.
• a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject: his work showed a discernible bias towards philosophy.
a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.


United Klotecnia


The underlined statement above are correct in this case.

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Postby Hvalfyurden » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:04 pm

United Klotecnia wrote:
The Sednarik Administration wrote:
I know what the definition of 'bias' is, what I meant was.

1 [ mass noun ] inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair: there was evidence of bias against black applicants | the bias towards younger people in recruitment.
• a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject: his work showed a discernible bias towards philosophy.
a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.


United Klotecnia


The underlined statement above are correct in this case.

Your actions should not be permitted to continue. We are in no way bias. You committed wrongs.

And where am I supposed to even contact the security council? There is no "report" function on this website. Plus several USSR nations attempted to bring it up with moderators and yet nothing was done. Also, in what way have I referenced real nations? I was stating that Klotecnia himself was using real life nations upon us. I violated no rules.

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Postby Redsward » Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:29 pm

Hvalfyurden wrote:Also, in what way have I referenced real nations? I was stating that Klotecnia himself was using real life nations upon us. I violated no rules.

Sigh...
Hvalfyurden wrote:-Claims that the USSR nations that ask Klotecnia to leave's in-real-life nations are the reason he sees his "home" country as corrupt

Just mentioning IRL events or nations is illegal.

Also, is that post describing United Klotecnia's wrongdoings your actual draft? If so, then it violates a lot of rules...

EDIT: Typo fix.
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Postby Crazy girl » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:52 pm

OP, are you actually going to make a draft?

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Postby Terricon » Tue May 05, 2015 2:36 pm

The Sednarik Administration wrote:
Hvalfyurden wrote:How is this poll bias, do you even understand what the word "bias" means?


I know what the definition of 'bias' is, what I meant was.

1 [ mass noun ] inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair: there was evidence of bias against black applicants | the bias towards younger people in recruitment.
• a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject: his work showed a discernible bias towards philosophy.
a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.


Klotecnia

Yevakovia wrote:This poll is bias.

These are the same people btw. Maybe a WA resolution isn't the best way of going about this. Where can one go to request the removal of account(s) that are purposely trolling?
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue May 05, 2015 5:24 pm

If you're trying to condemn UK for trolling, that makes this illegal under R2c (don't use the SC for things that should go in a GHR).
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Postby Crazy girl » Tue May 05, 2015 10:33 pm

This thread has been abandoned for 4 months. There was no need to bump it up.


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