[DEFEATED] Commend Pauline Bonaparte

[Space Doctor]

It may be fair to consider such a commendation after the fact, but not while the mission is in play.

[The Oan Isles]

Is the World Assembly running out of issues to solve, people to commend and condemn, and regions to liberate? This bill is badly written and badly motivated and that's all the more shameful for WA veteran co-author Mahaj!

[Big Bosses Dream]

The resistance to this is puzzling to me. Isn't the goal this nation is working towards a good one? They may not have succeeded in taking the region back, but should that mean we refuse to acknowledge the effort they are going through to resist?

[Nazi Kingdom of Neo-Prussia]

Nations refuse to acknowledge the effort of Pauline Bonaparte likely because they were either involved or allied with the invaders of Anne Frank, or do not see the liberation of one little region as commendable.

[Main]

I vote against. This is not because I am a Nazi or because I dislike Pauline, it is simply because I do not feel her actions are worthy of a commendation. I think there are many nations that have done far more and have received nothing in return. The only reason that this is even up for consideration is because of the name of the region that was liberated. I am not a member or supporter of any raiding organizations, therefore disproving claims that the only people who wouldn't support this are raiders. In addition, the fact that a region that normally has 3 nations now has over 150 is ridiculous and shows the insane effect proposing a commendation while a liberation is in progress. People! One liberation of a region is not enough for a commendation! I would much rather see someone who has coordinated dozens of liberations receive a commendation. If you have any questions regarding all I that have said, please ask.

[Zandalari]

Well, since this has already been approved, let's check the standings:
AGAINST: around 2500 nations, all of which are either neo-Nazis, fascists, Black Riders, or those who just oppose everything.
And yes, I checked before I wrote this.
FOR: around 1500 nations, comprising of everyone else who bothers to vote.
Come on decent people, vote some more! You can't view rejected proposals after the next election, but at least make it a close race!

I don't remember being a neo-nazi.

[RiderSyl]

I don't remember being a neo-nazi.

But he checked before he wrote that! That means you must be someone terrible! Only terrible people are voting against! Yay logic!

[Rapallo]

The resistance to this is puzzling to me. Isn't the goal this nation is working towards a good one? They may not have succeeded in taking the region back, but should that mean we refuse to acknowledge the effort they are going through to resist?

People are resisting this because of two main issues with this. A.) Pauline is being commended for ONE action. Which is a far from commendable. I mean by the precedent of this would set is that EVERY defender out there is a commendable person for helping in at least ONE liberation, no matter how small or insignificant their actual impact on the site has been. B.) This is a matter of two people working in the same mission commending each other which is seen heavily as a distasteful act akin to commending your own region or your own regionmate.

Nations refuse to acknowledge the effort of Pauline Bonaparte likely because they were either involved or allied with the invaders of Anne Frank, or do not see the liberation of one little region as commendable.

I dont remember ever being a nazi and I am far from allied with any raider organization hell once upon a time I tried to found a defender alliance (Through another nation of mine) but they try to label me and others that oppose this as such. Also the delegate of Spiritus one of the main forces trying to Liberate Anne Frank is against this proposal and it would be impossible to say the people liberating it are nazis alligned with the raiders. (Also leaders of other DEFNEDER regions are against it Markanite of XKI/TITO, BearNations of Gay. And that is not even including neutralists like Kotovania of DSA, Mikeswill of NS, and Acario of CP)

[New Brussels]

Anyways, the purpose of the proposal was to spread word of the cause, and hopefully get more support in their liberation. Regardless of the outcome of the vote, it worked. Instead of bashing the proposal for being "poorly written" and "not worthy of a commendation", how about we celebrate another victory over the Nazis and fascists? Besides, it's Christmas!

[Rapallo]

Anyways, the purpose of the proposal was to spread word of the cause, and hopefully get more support in their liberation.

But in there lies the issue. Now that they have consolidated more power they are now using that power in Anne Frank to now help commend themselves. Plus the fact that they didn't need publicity to take the region they already have a healthy and strong coalition to liberate it and it for all intent and purpose a small and unimportant region that was slated to be a minor battle at most. I mean the region had 2 natives and no activity.

There was no way in the world they needed to get enough publicity out there for 100+ defenders to take the region.

[New Brussels]

But in there lies the issue. Now that they have consolidated more power they are now using that power in Anne Frank to now help commend themselves. Plus the fact that they didn't need publicity to take the region they already have a healthy and strong coalition to liberate it and it for all intent and purpose a small and unimportant region that was slated to be a minor battle at most. I mean the region had 2 natives and no activity.

There was no way in the world they needed to get enough publicity out there for 100+ defenders to take the region.

I wouldn't actually say that they had a "healthy and strong coalition" in the beginning. I don't think that the gap was really wide at the major - we cut it pretty close at the actual update. And I mean, extra pilers never hurt it always deters a Nazi counter-invasion.

[Rapallo]

But in there lies the issue. Now that they have consolidated more power they are now using that power in Anne Frank to now help commend themselves. Plus the fact that they didn't need publicity to take the region they already have a healthy and strong coalition to liberate it and it for all intent and purpose a small and unimportant region that was slated to be a minor battle at most. I mean the region had 2 natives and no activity.

There was no way in the world they needed to get enough publicity out there for 100+ defenders to take the region.

I wouldn't actually say that they had a "healthy and strong coalition" in the beginning. I don't think that the gap was really wide at the major - we cut it pretty close at the actual update. And I mean, extra pilers never hurt it always deters a Nazi counter-invasion.

By the time this proposal was out it was healthy and strong and enough to liberate the region. Plus too many defenders can also create just as many problems as too few. You get EVERYONE involved and that just gives incintive to the raider groups to work together just that much more especially in future projects which just makes everything in the future just that much harder.

[Dustain]

Nations refuse to acknowledge the effort of Pauline Bonaparte likely because they were either involved or allied with the invaders of Anne Frank, or do not see the liberation of one little region as commendable.

The Holy Empire of Dustain seconds Neo-Prussia's sentiments. We would like a full investigation into the conflict and are dubios to the lable of "Neo-nazi" the proponets of the bill have given to the invaders. The Holy Empire of Dustain is suspicious that the agressees mentioned in the bill are named and described in such away as to gather a disproportionate level of sympathy.

[Chester Pearson]

I don't remember being a neo-nazi.

But he checked before he wrote that! That means you must be someone terrible! Only terrible people are voting against! Yay logic!

I don't remember him checking with me. I am neither allied with the invaders, nor was I involved in the liberation (missed the update), yet I voted against.....

[Sichuan Pepper]

I have voted against. Certainly it was great work on both the liberation and the sheer amount of networking to have so many nations from very diverse gameplay areas working together.Congratulations are in order to all involved.
I do feel that one liberation does not equal a commendation.
Aside from that I am put off by the nation being commended taking advantage of being the lead and current delegate of the liberated region to vote for their own commend.

[Docers]

The region I lead has liberated some of the warzones a few times and does that make any of us worthy of commendation, no. Commendation should be resserved for the priveleged few who have done something extremely extroidanary.

The liberators deserve congratulations for sure but not a commendation.

[The Bruce]

I don't remember being a neo-nazi.

But he checked before he wrote that! That means you must be someone terrible! Only terrible people are voting against! Yay logic!

It's getting increasingly easier in the Security Council to be labelled a Nazi these days.

The fact that the proposal was tossed around even before the mission was accomplished is either a bit sketchy or shows evidence of a Time Lord being involved in the draft.

Even if this defender action involving the rescue of a basket of adorable kittens, I'm not certain that one liberation of one small, founderless region merits a commendation. Is it a commendable action? Yes, by definition, but not a Security Council sized commendable action. Two baskets of adorable kittens and we'll talk.

[Cormac Stark]

For the record, this was meant to advertise liberation efforts, not to actually pass. The advertisement turned out not to be necessary as the region was liberated the same update this went to vote, but c'est la vie.

I don't care at all whether this passes or fails. Never did. Thank you to the World Assembly for free ad space.

[Of the Quendi]

"Objections!" Exclaimed an impassioned Lady Malréd, just awoken from a long slumber on the back benches of the Security Council chamber. "While we are sure that the late Duchess of Guastalla had many redeemable qualities, not everyone would follow their deposed brother into exile on Elba I suspect, this body cannot commend long dead European aristocracy for saving Jewish teenage girl's with mommy issues from ..." The Countess proclaimed, being cut short by an aide insistingly pulling the sleeves of her robe. "No madam ambassador, not that Pauline Bonaparte and not that Anne Frank." The flustered aide said.

Lady Malréd shook her head. "Oh." She mumbled embarrassedly. "Colleagues, I seem to have been misinformed about the purpose of this commendation. Please do disregard my prior statements, The Heavenly Realm of the Children of Erú shall on this proposal abstain." With that Lady Malréd went back to sleep; dreaming of a fan fiction she would write about time traveling Bonapartists fighting Nazis.

[Toronina]

Well, since this has already been approved, let's check the standings:
AGAINST: around 2500 nations, all of which are either neo-Nazis, fascists, Black Riders, or those who just oppose everything.
And yes, I checked before I wrote this.
FOR: around 1500 nations, comprising of everyone else who bothers to vote.
Come on decent people, vote some more! You can't view rejected proposals after the next election, but at least make it a close race!

I voted against this. Considering I'd likely be banned if I talked about what I'd do to Neo Nazis and Fascists, I'm neither of them. I'm a member of Lazarus, and I vote for what I believe is best.

[The Bruce]

For the record, this was meant to advertise liberation efforts, not to actually pass. The advertisement turned out not to be necessary as the region was liberated the same update this went to vote, but c'est la vie.

I don't care at all whether this passes or fails. Never did. Thank you to the World Assembly for free ad space.

Aren't you concerned that by bringing the equivalent of email spam into the Security Council, you'll damage your credibility in terms of being able to pass future resolutions? Not to mention that by doing this you've sullied the defenders who took part in the liberation with good intentions, by linking them to a fake security council resolution as your pawns.

You know, the whole fool me once shame on you; fool me 10-12 times shame on me argument.

[Rodrenon]

Lord Piersym Thratur simply stared sluggishly ahead. He had listened to the resolution and in response he sighed.

"Although I agree in the liberation and the commendation of the principle of it, I feel that this particular action and this particular commendation isn't quite the way to achieve it. I vote nay."

He tugged on his tie so to relax in his comfy chair.

[Cormac Stark]

Aren't you concerned that by bringing the equivalent of email spam into the Security Council, you'll damage your credibility in terms of being able to pass future resolutions? Not to mention that by doing this you've sullied the defenders who took part in the liberation with good intentions, by linking them to a fake security council resolution as your pawns.

You know, the whole fool me once shame on you; fool me 10-12 times shame on me argument.

I've been manipulating the Security Council whenever advantageous and possible since 2012, and I'm still able to pass resolutions. So, no, I'm not overly concerned about it. I've passed numerous legitimate resolutions, including liberation resolutions, a quality condemnation of The Black Riders, and repeal of their previous, low quality condemnation.

A region needed liberated and after several days people were starting to get frustrated and give up, because most of our resources were tapped out. I introduced this resolution as an outside the box way of reaching potentially hundreds of people we otherwise would never reach, and if a fraction of those had contacted us to participate in the liberation we would have had no problem liberating. I'm not sorry for using the Security Council as a tool and a weapon, because the Security Council is, well, a tool and a weapon. Besides, I don't think distracting the Security Council from the absolutely nothing in its queue for a few days is going to be overly detrimental in the long run.

[New Brussels]

I mean, it's not like there are any quality proposals filling up the SC right now...

[Rapallo]

A region needed liberated

Need is such a strong word and stupid word to use for liberating that region. It's nothing but a notch on someone's belt really. This region had basically NO natives, NO activity, and No Government/Organization. This is not a region that will see a remarkable activity and use after this happened, it will be nothing but a shiny bauble for people to look at that, has been being propped up by someone's puppet so that others can look at it and someone can go "Look what I did". There was no NEED to liberate this region, it was already dead when you arrived. It was all for the greedy fact that people could say "I saved Anne Frank from the Nazis"and nothing more.