[PASSED] Repeal "Commend Luna Amore"

[Chester Pearson]

You actually submitted this? Are you really that desperate for anther badge Ram?

[Ramaeus]

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Yes, I submitted this.

No, I am not desperate for another badge. I do, however, dislike seeing poorly written resolutions stand. A cause I thought you would agree with me on, Chester, but it seems you are incapable of consistency.

And, yet again, you fail at actually "discovering" my motive for writing a proposal. My motive is quite simple: repeal a poorly written resolution. If this passes, and Luna Amore is still interested in a Commendation, I may write it myself.

[Chester Pearson]

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Yes, I submitted this.

No, I am not desperate for another badge. I do, however, dislike seeing poorly written resolutions stand. A cause I thought you would agree with me on, Chester, but it seems you are incapable of consistency.

So Mahaj is a three year old now? I am pretty sure he might take offense to that....

[Ramaeus]

So Mahaj is a three year old now? I am pretty sure he might take offense to that....

Those are your words, Chester, not mine. I said that I dislike seeing poorly written resolutions and pointed to a post of you saying something to that effect. To be precise:

A bit preemptive don't you think? The natives already wrote one up, yours may be slightly better written, but I think native authorship is more important and looks like it will make Queue.

Plus you've already authored multiple resolutions, why not give the native a chance to become an author too.

Because this one will actually pass, and I would rather not have a repeal that looks like it was written by a three year on the books. If a native wants a co-author tag for this, they can TG me...

Since you seemed to have missed my point: based on your comments in that thread I assumed that you would prefer to have superior, rather than inferior, resolutions passed within the WA, but I see now that I was mistaken.

Nice try, though.

[Solorni]

Approved.

[Ramaeus]

Approved.

Thanks.

[Luna Amore]

Was Luna ever a member of the UDL?

Yes, I was a member of the UDL for a relatively short time.

If Luna distances him or herself from his or her time in the UDL, then I will not support this effort.

My hypothetical support or lack thereof of the UDL is irrelevant to the repeal at hand.

For the record, Luna Amore is male.

I really should have considered a more masculine name 11+ years ago...

If this passes, and Luna Amore is still interested in a Commendation, I may write it myself.

I'll admit I'm not very familiar with the ins and outs of WA/SC proposals, but when someone intends to replace a current proposal, don't they usually write the repeal and the replacement at the same time?

My desire to have a commendation shouldn't matter, right? Either I'm commendable or I ain't.

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I'm not sure if it's appropriate for me to comment on the proposal, but the editor in me wants to:

Recognizing that, while controlling several nations with unique domestic structures is a marginally impressive accomplishment, it is one which is easily accomplished with careful preparation and diligence,

This is a terrible clause to lead with. It says absolutely nothing. You could replace it with most actions, and it'd be equally true:
--Recognizing that, while training a Jack Russel to bark the alphabet is a marginally impressive accomplishment, it is one which is easily accomplished with careful preparation and diligence
--Recognizing that, while sailing across the Atlantic is a marginally impressive accomplishment, it is one which is easily accomplished with careful preparation and diligence
--Recognizing that, while writing a repeal is a marginally impressive accomplishment, it is one which is easily accomplished with careful preparation and diligence
(I kid, I kid )

Asserting that SC#123 contradicts itself by calling the domestic structures Luna Amore established within their puppet nations as “unique”, while also acknowledging that Luna Amore is not the first nation to have accomplished the governmental constructs shown in their puppets H- and On Beyond Zebra,

Solid criticism to an extent. Tommy Bahama achieved that feat first. In fact I congratulated him when he hit 3 100's. My rebuttal to that would be that none of the achievements outlined in the commendation are unique in the long run. At the time of the resolution however, they were.

Noting that studying population growth is a task easily accomplished by viewing the nation's census records, which diminishes the accomplishment of Luna Amore in this regard,

Like the first clause, this doesn't really say anything. It basically says, 'It's easy to notice a different population pattern when you're looking at populations.'

Acknowledging that, while Luna Amore's defense of Free Thought is a commendable action, it is the only one present in SC#123 which may be called such,

I actually don't think my defense of Free Thought is terribly commendable and it's probably the weakest part of the resolution.

Believing that, where SC#123 may detail an impressive accomplishment, it does so in such vague terms that it effectively nullifies the accomplishment in question,

The commendation can be described many ways but vague is not one of them. It spells out each point succinctly and clearly. Luna Amore did X,Y, and Z. Nation A is Foo, Nation B is Fud, and so on.

[Drewlantis]

If I may, the writing of legislation is a rather arduous process. In fact many don't understand the importance of filling gaps left by repealing laws and resolutions. When repealing a law or resolution with the intention of replacing it with improved legislation, there are three ways by which to do so. Otherwise there is little guarantee of its replacement at all!
One, include the rewritten legislation with the process of repeal, essentially adding what will be replacing the existing law within the legislation. The second is to repeal it with the introduction of the rewritten resolution else where within the docket, this is done if the author is afraid of the repeal and the rewritten being defeated, so he/she splits them up in the hopes that one of them is accepted, leading automatically to the discussion of the other. Lastly, third, is usually the most popular and calls for the rewriting of the law with the inclusion of "all legislation not in accordance with this law will be declared null and void" which has the rewriting being voted upon with an automatic repeal of the previous conflicting resolution.
Seeing as how none of these processes have been implemented, and the current resolution stands at odds with even the author in that respect. I would have to vote against until the proper legislation is presented. I will therefore wait until this is rewritten and is approved by the Emperor of my nation.

With Regards,

Fromm Burgenheimer
Chief Foreign Diplomat, Member and Political Columnist to the World Assembly.

[Elke and Elba]

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No, I am not desperate for another badge. I do, however, dislike seeing poorly written resolutions stand. A cause I thought you would agree with me on, Chester, but it seems you are incapable of consistency.

Still, it is a poorly written repeal to a poorly written resolution - two wrongs do not make one right; especially since you have some kind of distaste for poorly written resolutions, I'm not sure why you would have allowed this to happen.

(And before you aim on me - I don't give a flying flute and am not overly and overtly pedantic over whether resolutions are poorly written in the first place.)

[Berenguela the Great]

Yup: http://s4.zetaboards.com/UDL/topic/8778 ... ost8176350

Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.

Being so petty is not the way for a proper queen to conduct herself.

[Pauline Bonaparte]

Yup: http://s4.zetaboards.com/UDL/topic/8778 ... ost8176350

Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.

The Right Honorable Madam acts with such pettiness that she shocks even me - and I once sold a principality given to me as a gift so I could spend the money on diamonds and brioche! I am forced to wonder why she bothers reading proposals at all; wouldn't it be easier to look at the subject and vote purely based on that, instead of pretending to care about the issue at hand?

I am against the repeal at hand. The Security Council should not be used to play the same old R/D game all the time, especially since GPers have no problems shoving their noses where they shouldn't be. I find it refreshing that there are commends for good work other than quickly pressing a button every update.

[Aeryis]

This issue essentially states that the person did some commendable things, and then moves to strip their acknowledgement from the person on the basis that "it really wasn't all THAT difficult, really."

Baffling. The same could be said of most award-winners in life, but the difference between "I could have done that" and "I did do that" are vast and compelling.

Further, I see no reason why we should be stripping people of their accolades unless they've done something horrible to offset the good they've done. Isn't our time better spent finding true villains to condemn or additional movers and shakers to commend?

In the hope that the failure of resolutions like this will make them less popular -- and in the belief that the arguments presented are both subjective and insufficient to warrant the revocation of this symbol of merit -- I must vote against this resolution.

[Chester Pearson]

Soooo..... I see Mousey is voting for this. How about we repeal her commendation next?

[Feux]

I voted against. I seem to remember a proposal with rather the same augments presented within it that was dismissed quickly by the individuals lurking on this council forum at the time - having posted on it myself. It was awhile ago; however, I still find the nominee should keep their badge.

[Ibrahim Arrham]

I voted against. I seem to remember a proposal with rather the same augments presented within it that was dismissed quickly by the individuals lurking on this council forum at the time - having posted on it myself. It was awhile ago; however, I still find the nominee should keep their badge.

Well forgiveness is one thing in the international forum that seems to be amiss

[Feux]

I voted against. I seem to remember a proposal with rather the same augments presented within it that was dismissed quickly by the individuals lurking on this council forum at the time - having posted on it myself. It was awhile ago; however, I still find the nominee should keep their badge.

Well forgiveness is one thing in the international forum that seems to be amiss

Why would one "forgive" points you disagree with?

[Goddess Relief Office]

Soooo..... I see Mousey is voting for this. How about we repeal her commendation next?

Wow, do you really believe it's ok to repeal somebody's commendation because he/she didn't vote your way?

[Feux]

Soooo..... I see Mousey is voting for this. How about we repeal her commendation next?

Wow, do you really believe it's ok to repeal somebody's commendation because he/she didn't vote your way?

Luna did a lot of work to earn that commendation, and they should be permitted to keep it. Go find a different target....

He could have been making a point GR, depending on whether Chester believes Mouse deserves the commendation.

[Solorni]

I don't think it is petty to have my vote swayed by the fact that Luna Amore was part of a militant group that sought to destroy my region.

[Chester Pearson]

Wow, do you really believe it's ok to repeal somebody's commendation because he/she didn't vote your way?

Luna did a lot of work to earn that commendation, and they should be permitted to keep it. Go find a different target....

He could have been making a point GR, depending on whether Chester believes Mouse deserves the commendation.

That was my point. Mouse definitely deserves her commendation, and I was an ardent supporter of it, just like Lune deserves his commendation.....

[Twilight Imperium]

Also, as Euro's WA delegate, Mouse votes according to polls on our forum. As people seem to keep needing a reminder of.

[The Stalker]

I'm against, Luna Amore has earn it.

I dislike this fickle need to modernize that drives the repeal culture in WA, holding two votes on the matter when there could be new ground covered instead of constantly retracing our steps every few years.

[Roryntopia]

"We will fix it later" is a common disarming tactic used by someone who wishes nothing other than to repeal a resolution.

It is disingenuous at best and deceptive at worst.

Unless a replacement commendation is written in advance of the call to repeal I can't take the claimed intention at face value.

Against.

[Drewlantis]

I must once again remind all that the argument to replace is an invalid argument. The three steps to actually claim use through this is void due to the fact that there is no replacement anywhere at this time! You must at least have a replacement resolution somewhere within the docket! Otherwise there is no guarantee of a replacement even being debated. The best form would be to include the rewritten commendation within the repeal, thereby instantly assuring both's passage. Seeing as there is none provided on the resolution or anywhere, one cannot possibly vote for this!

With Regards,

Fromm Burgenheimer.

[Bears Armed]

Our mission at the WA has voted against this proposal.