[WITHDRAWN] Liberate Islam

[Titan Royal]

Yeah, I was thinking about that...

Why would you include one of Sicarius' top-ranked officials as a co-author for a liberation targeted at Sicarius' raid?

Well arent you smart!

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Yeah, I was thinking about that...

Why would you include one of Sicarius' top-ranked officials as a co-author for a liberation targeted at Sicarius' raid?

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

[United Western States of America]

Yeah, I was thinking about that...

Why would you include one of Sicarius' top-ranked officials as a co-author for a liberation targeted at Sicarius' raid?

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

Yes, he did contribute helpful information, did he not? Credit goes where credit is due, regardless of how...uncomfortable...the arrangement is.

EDIT: I am darn well aware that Ever-Wandering Souls was a raider, and I was long before the resolution was submitted. Lets not be going around insulting people's IQ.

[The Stalker]

Yeah, I was thinking about that...

Why would you include one of Sicarius' top-ranked officials as a co-author for a liberation targeted at Sicarius' raid?

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

lol because he wanted further publicity by having all the regions mentioned in the resolution. The resolution could have been passed without it, and giving the raiders a co-authorship for it is absurd.

Regardless, I approved the resolution cause it's needed.

[My Water Bottles Are Full Of H20]

I have approved as well.

[Valrifell]

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

Yes, he did contribute helpful information, did he not? Credit goes where credit is due, regardless of how...uncomfortable...the arrangement is.

EDIT: I am darn well aware that Ever-Wandering Souls was a raider, and I was long before the resolution was submitted. Lets not be going around insulting people's IQ.

Although it's nice to give people who helped you credit, it's a tad unorthodox for one to give co-authorship to the raider with the delegate spot of the region you're liberating, major regions won't take it seriously and it will make it all the more difficult to campaign for and easier to campaign against.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

lol because he wanted further publicity by having all the regions mentioned in the resolution. The resolution could have been passed without it, and giving the raiders a co-authorship for it is absurd.

Regardless, I approved the resolution cause it's needed.

It is needed, I hope no one mistakes otherwise

Our natives have lost their government and many have been banjected, others under the threat of banjection if they disagree with the raiders too much and our previous organized government has been forced out against the will of the people. The natives are not happy and must be helped.

[Asking Alexandria]

lol because he wanted further publicity by having all the regions mentioned in the resolution. The resolution could have been passed without it, and giving the raiders a co-authorship for it is absurd.

Regardless, I approved the resolution cause it's needed.

It is needed, I hope no one mistakes otherwise

Our natives have lost their government and many have been banjected, others under the threat of banjection if they disagree with the raiders too much and our previous organized government has been forced out against the will of the people. The natives are not happy and must be helped.

That's generally what happens during a raid/occupation...

[Ramaeus]

A poorly written draft, one which has the current, publicly listed point of the raid in question listed as a Co-author?

Against.

I may be able to support a Liberation of Islam if the circumstances were not unusual.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

A poorly written draft, one which has the current, publicly listed point of the raid in question listed as a Co-author?

Against.

I may be able to support a Liberation of Islam if the circumstances were not unusual.

He is simply listed as a co-author for the reasons explained above, look at the actual Liberation itself which don't affect him but a region that is being occupied by invaders and having its natives forced out.

[Topid]

I'm reasonably certain that listing co-authors that did not make significant contributions to the proposal is not legal. I seem to recall this being an issue before, though my memory of SC rulings does tend to be a couple years out of date.

EDIT: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#co-authors
And, this seems most relevant: viewtopic.php?p=10172451#p10172451

I have filed a GHR to have the proposal removed from the floor.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

I do wonder if it will gain enough approvals in time... in the end the ultimate objective is to liberate the region to make it easier for the natives to reclaim it.

[Chester Pearson]

I'm reasonably certain that listing co-authors that did not make significant contributions to the proposal is not legal. I seem to recall this being an issue before, though my memory of SC rulings does tend to be a couple years out of date.

Hey... Tim was a co-author of a two-liner so....

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Ramaeus will be helping us draft a better version and submit it if the need arises

Hmm... 12 approvals so far... not bad.... there still may be a chance to liberate the region in one go, though if this proposal fails then we'd have a stronger one in its place...

[New Brussels]

I'm reasonably certain that listing co-authors that did not make significant contributions to the proposal is not legal. I seem to recall this being an issue before, though my memory of SC rulings does tend to be a couple years out of date.

Hey... Tim was a co-author of a two-liner so....

Ah, but that's in terms of percentage.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I'm reasonably certain that listing co-authors that did not make significant contributions to the proposal is not legal. I seem to recall this being an issue before, though my memory of SC rulings does tend to be a couple years out of date.

EDIT: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#co-authors
And, this seems most relevant: viewtopic.php?p=10172451#p10172451

I have filed a GHR to have the proposal removed from the floor.

By my count of characters excluding spaces of the pure proposal text, I am personally responsible for about 1/3 of the text of the proposal.

[Topid]

I'm reasonably certain that listing co-authors that did not make significant contributions to the proposal is not legal. I seem to recall this being an issue before, though my memory of SC rulings does tend to be a couple years out of date.

EDIT: viewtopic.php?p=3755848#co-authors
And, this seems most relevant: viewtopic.php?p=10172451#p10172451

I have filed a GHR to have the proposal removed from the floor.

By my count of characters excluding spaces of the pure proposal text, I am personally responsible for about 1/3 of the text of the proposal.

I suppose that's one way of looking at it. To me it looks like 2 lines, one of which is a massive list (but kudos on getting him to put that in there, I did chuckle that he fell for it. )

Anyway, it seems like doing so little work should not get you co-author status, and in a more legitimate proposal that would certainly be the case. But now that I think about it the rule only says you have to do "almost as much work on the proposal as the author," and given that is a really low level of work here it may be just fine. So could it be that the saving grace of this proposal could be that almost no effort was put into it? That would be pretty ironic.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

The situation isn't looking good,...

http://www.nationstates.net/region=islam

[Sedgistan]

Breaking any rules with your wording? Are terms like raider region and re-found allowed?

Yes, they are allowed.

Yeah, I was thinking about that...

Why would you include one of Sicarius' top-ranked officials as a co-author for a liberation targeted at Sicarius' raid?

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

Co-authors are supposed to be those that contribute significantly towards the proposal; an amount roughly on-par with the author's. That's a guideline, not a rule, but something to bear in mind.

In particular, any listed co-author can request that the moderators remove the proposal at any point before it comes to vote.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Hey, I didn't ask him, he asked me if I wanted to be one

Breaking any rules with your wording? Are terms like raider region and re-found allowed?

Yes, they are allowed.

He did correct the date at which the invasion took place as well as supplying as list of the regions who helped Sicarius invade the region, therefore contributing additional content into the proposal.

Co-authors are supposed to be those that contribute significantly towards the proposal; an amount roughly on-par with the author's. That's a guideline, not a rule, but something to bear in mind.

In particular, any listed co-author can request that the moderators remove the proposal at any point before it comes to vote.

Thanks, Sedge

Hm. That last bit is veeeeery interesting. 'Course, if this is looking at making it to vote, might be better to let this one get there so everyone is fed up with it by the time someone tries again

[Ramaeus]

Congratulations on attaining quorum. The vote will be interesting to observe.

[Redsward]

Congratulations on attaining quorum. The vote will be interesting to observe.

Agreed. Hopefully this can help the raiders with their publicity, too. My region needs a little spice

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Congratulations on attaining quorum. The vote will be interesting to observe.

There is logic behind me not requesting it be pulled

[The Isles of Random]

Although the region in question seems to be "safe" at the current moment, I'm concerned with a statement by Westerly Winds posted via embassy to K9 Assault Force.

The Gentle Breeze of Westerly Winds
52 minutes ago
We're just playing possum right now

I shall be voting for the resolution.

[The Isles of Random]

Congratulations on attaining quorum. The vote will be interesting to observe.

There is logic behind me not requesting it be pulled

You folks are devious, or at least appear to be... I don't feel like running a campaign though (not that I have the resources to do so anyways)...