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[Submitted] Condemn Commonwealth of Free Nations

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[Submitted] Condemn Commonwealth of Free Nations

Postby Namayapata » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:18 pm

The Security Council,

Recognizing the Commonwealth of Free Nations as a democratic region who state that they stand for "Democracy, Security, Peace, Justice, and Equality",
Alarmed by the fact that they have passed a bill in their legislature, the CFN Adjudication of Penal Offenses Act, essentially outlawing reports to a higher authority than their own courts unless their courts find a nation guilty of an offense in CFN law,
Shocked that many government officials have declared their support of the bill, including the founder and the WAD,
Disgusted that the region considers it acceptable to permit nations to distribute pornography, fo instance, under this act, as there is no CFN law against that and therefore there would be no trial,
Aware that nations may inform a higher authority than the CFN courts in private, thus leading to witch-hunts and possibly removal from the CFN without trial, which this region are prepared to do as this Council has seen when the author of this bill was removed from the CFN without trial for authoring it, despite claiming to represent "Democracy", "Security" and "Peace",
Horrified that The Dalek Paradigm, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the CFN and a member of this organization, compared a condemnation to "a sticker on our region",
Dismayed that a region which has a good community of nations in is deserving of a condemnation,
Hoping that swift change will come about from this condemnation,
[b]Hereby condemns the Commonwealth of Free Nations.


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(Yeah, yeah. I know. It's my region. See the StopCAPO movement for the full background on this issue)

EDIT: well, it was my region. They banjected me without a trial. Ironic, eh?
Last edited by Namayapata on Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:47 pm, edited 8 times in total.
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Postby Archangelskl Oblast » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:25 pm

Namayapata wrote:
The Security Council,

Recognizing the Commonwealth of Free Nations as a democratic region who state that they stand for "Democracy, Security, Peace, Justice, and Equality",
Alarmed by the fact that they have passed a bill essentially outlawing moderation reports, the CFN Adjudication of Penal Offenses Act,
Shocked that many government officials have declared their support of the bill, including the founder and the WAD,
Dismayed that a region which has a good community of nations in is deserving of a condemnation,
Hoping that swift change will come about from this condemnation,
Hereby condemns the Commonwealth of Free Nations.


Thoughts?

(Yeah, yeah. I know. It's my region. See the [url=https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=316657]StopCAPO[/urrl] movement for the full background on this issue)

Wow. You are a.. Just wow.
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Postby Cora II » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:42 pm

AGAINST!
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Postby Archangelskl Oblast » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:48 pm

Cora II wrote:AGAINST!

I am in the same boat.
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Postby Namayapata » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:53 pm

Edit #1


Added clause regarding the actions of The Dalek Paradigm
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Postby Archangelskl Oblast » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:05 am

Namayapata wrote:Edit #1


Added clause regarding the actions of The Dalek Paradigm

Lol the sticker is a former of speechless for the little sticker you get at the top of your region when condemned. Go look at the black riders. They have like four stickers.
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Postby Liberated Democratic Republics » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:08 am

Against. This is disgusting Nama. Why don't you go condemn a region that deserves it?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:46 am

A purely internal matter to your region, not worthy of a condemnation. Possible Rule 4 violation as well?
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Postby Vladovaskia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:36 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:A purely internal matter to your region, not worthy of a condemnation. Possible Rule 4 violation as well?

Thank you.

We were talking of proposing a Commend the CFN, yet the second Nama sees that we won't just give in to his will he tries to Condemn us.

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Postby Shy Guyia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:07 am

Your own region? I don't think so...
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Postby Crazy girl » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:19 am

9 posts in and no one has pointed out the rule 4 violation yet. Kids, I am disappointed a bit here.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:42 am

Crazy girl wrote:9 posts in and no one has pointed out the rule 4 violation yet. Kids, I am disappointed a bit here.


I did say about 3 posts up that I thought there was one - reference to Moderation in the text?
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Postby Namayapata » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:40 am

Crazy girl wrote:9 posts in and no one has pointed out the rule 4 violation yet. Kids, I am disappointed a bit here.

How can I clean it up so Rule 4 isn't affected?
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Postby DWAsnia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:44 am

Namayapata wrote:
Crazy girl wrote:9 posts in and no one has pointed out the rule 4 violation yet. Kids, I am disappointed a bit here.

How can I clean it up so Rule 4 isn't affected?

Not that I'm for this bill (I'm against) but you need to get rid of Moderation. Perhaps something like "appeals to arbitration" or similar.
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Postby Namayapata » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:52 am

DWAsnia wrote:
Namayapata wrote:How can I clean it up so Rule 4 isn't affected?

Not that I'm for this bill (I'm against) but you need to get rid of Moderation. Perhaps something like "appeals to arbitration" or similar.

How's this DWAsnia?

outlawing reports to a higher authority than their own courts
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Postby The Dalek Paradigm » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:54 am

As much as having my dubious deeds immortalised in the WA forever is enticing I'll have to stand AGAINST this proposal.
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Postby Crazy girl » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:11 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Crazy girl wrote:9 posts in and no one has pointed out the rule 4 violation yet. Kids, I am disappointed a bit here.


I did say about 3 posts up that I thought there was one - reference to Moderation in the text?


My apologies, so you did. And yes, indeed, that's the one I meant.

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Postby Namayapata » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:12 am

Crazy girl wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
I did say about 3 posts up that I thought there was one - reference to Moderation in the text?


My apologies, so you did. And yes, indeed, that's the one I meant.

Can I just confirm that my edit fixes this issue?
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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:20 am

The "higher authority" reference is sufficiently vague; however, this clause still very much breaks Rule 4:
Disgusted that the region considers it acceptable that a nation would not be allowed to be reported for posting pornography under this act, as there is no CFN law against that,

Nations can't "post" content; and the pornography reference in this context isn't Rule 4 compliant either.

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Postby Namayapata » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:31 am

Sedgistan wrote:The "higher authority" reference is sufficiently vague; however, this clause still very much breaks Rule 4:
Disgusted that the region considers it acceptable that a nation would not be allowed to be reported for posting pornography under this act, as there is no CFN law against that,

Nations can't "post" content; and the pornography reference in this context isn't Rule 4 compliant either.

Made stuffs more vague. Is it OK as it is now?

(sorry for all the questions!)
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Postby Namayapata » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:46 pm

Submitting bill as nothing to indicate any issues with it.
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Postby Archangelskl Oblast » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:50 pm

Nama so far everyone is fully against this. And you did it for selfishness. Any time so none don't follow you or something doesn't go your way you have a fit.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:53 pm

FOR.

Add in the fact that I was ejected for no reason, please.

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Postby Rapallo » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:18 pm

Purely internal matter. I fail to see how this in any way would effect anything outside of CFN. If this manages to make it to the floor I will be advising those in my regions to vote AGAINST

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:05 pm

Namayapata wrote:Submitting bill as nothing to indicate any issues with it.


Apart from the issues that it is poorly written and of no interest to the larger NS community.
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