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[DRAFT]Condemn Capitalist Paradise
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:27 amby Indian Empire
The Security Council,
NOTING, that twice, Capitalist Paradise has reached 900+ nations.
BEING AWARE, that Afforess was the nation which made recruitment levels so high.
STATING, that Afforess did not have a good history with the Game,
ALSO NOTING, that Capitalist Paradise was the main founder of NS++.
ATTENATIVE, that Afforess used illegal scripts in his browser extension.
DISMAYED, that Capitalist Paradise supported their region member's scripts.
CERTAIN, That Capitalist Paradise is a extremely pro raider region.
KNOWING, that Raiding is a action condemnable by this council.
HEREBY, Condemns Capitalist Paradise.
So, what do you think? If their are rule violations in this, please tell me how to rephrase it so it is not.
Sincerely,
Indian Empire
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:02 amby Bhang Bhang Duc
I think it should be buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:09 amby Ainin
4. Your proposal must read as representing the opinion of the World Assembly, and as targeting a Nation or Region.
This means:
(a) You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates.
(b) You must refer to nations as nations, not as the player behind them. This includes the use of pronouns such as "he" or "she" as opposed to "they".
(c) You cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game.
(d) Your proposal must be written from the perspective of the World Assembly.
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:35 amby Benevolent Thomas
I think this condemnation is both unnecessary and inaccurate. I don't even like the region, but they definitely don't deserve a condemn because of one member's history with annoying NS. Plus it seems as if though NS++ will have a positive legacy in this game. As for being pro raider... I don't know if this is true, but as long as they themselves are not raiding, I couldn't care less.
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:37 amby Chester Pearson
So much illegal it hurts the eyes to read.
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:07 amby Bhang Bhang Duc
On the positive side there are only about three spelling mistakes in the draft.
Posted:
Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:20 pmby DWAsnia
Uh, yeah, IE just because we kicked you out of CP doesn't mean we're evil. In fact, there might have been some good reasons behind it, like threatening the ambassador of VF about destroying said region and spamming the IRC and its members who resided there about unbanning you . . . Yup, totally condemnable
Why don't you actually understand the rules of the Security Council, improve your sophomoric writing, and removing petty grudges beforehand? Yes?
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:19 amby Indian Empire
DWAsnia wrote:Uh, yeah, IE just because we kicked you out of CP doesn't mean we're evil. In fact, there might have been some good reasons behind it, like threatening the ambassador of VF about destroying said region and spamming the IRC and its members who resided there about unbanning you . . . Yup, totally condemnable
Why don't you actually understand the rules of the Security Council, improve your sophomoric writing, and removing petty grudges beforehand? Yes?
It may take some time, but i'll try.
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:24 amby Solorni
Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:53 amby Daynor
Solorni wrote:Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.
Old CP, as in CP when I knew it back in 09ish era when I was involved only in The Conservative Coalition was pretty pro-raider. That is how they survived being founderless so long, IMO. Most of the 'conservative' or 'capitalist' or 'right-wing' regions back then were in general more raider leaning from what I saw, and those connections are how I eventually ended up moving from being a member of an isolated conservative region to being more raider-ist and involved in NS politics at large.
The newer voices of CP have seemed to be more defender-leaning, I agree.
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:40 amby DWAsnia
Solorni wrote:Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.
Most of the old players including people such as Nation of Quebec and Fastercat are pro-raider. If my memory serves from our old history, they and others advocated for the CP militia to raid (which happened). However, ever since I've been there (and before too) we have been neutral. I'd say there is a fairly even split between the pro-raider and the pro-defender voices.
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:05 amby Versus Militia
You need to find better reasons. All those statements were either reasons of why Capitalist Paradise should be commended or why Afforess should be condemned. So really now... where is the condemnation?
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:15 amby Percussionland
This proposal will be taken down if you submit it as is, as you cannot drift in and out of character, talking about game play and policy one minute and browser extensions the next. Also, you cannot condemn a region for the actions of one member nation, that's why you can condemn nations too. I recommend abandoning this, and gaining experience by participating in forum discussion for a bit before drafting any more proposals.
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:28 amby Nation of Quebec
This smells like another revenge based resolution that reeks of rule violations. This very likely won't even reach quorum, but given the Security Council's recent track record with allowing frivolous proposals to reach quorum, who knows.
DWAsnia wrote:Solorni wrote:Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.
Most of the old players including people such as Nation of Quebec and Fastercat are pro-raider. If my memory serves from our old history, they and others advocated for the CP militia to raid (which happened). However, ever since I've been there (and before too) we have been neutral. I'd say there is a fairly even split between the pro-raider and the pro-defender voices.
Just to clarify this statement, I have never been pro-raider. If anything I'm very anti-raider and have been on the side of defenders more often then not.
Posted:
Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:04 pmby DWAsnia
Nation of Quebec wrote:This smells like another revenge based resolution that reeks of rule violations. This very likely won't even reach quorum, but given the Security Council's recent track record with allowing frivolous proposals to reach quorum, who knows.
DWAsnia wrote:Most of the old players including people such as Nation of Quebec and Fastercat are pro-raider. If my memory serves from our old history, they and others advocated for the CP militia to raid (which happened). However, ever since I've been there (and before too) we have been neutral. I'd say there is a fairly even split between the pro-raider and the pro-defender voices.
Just to clarify this statement, I have never been pro-raider. If anything I'm very anti-raider and have been on the side of defenders more often then not.
Soz NoQ, was trying to go from memory
Posted:
Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:22 pmby The Bruce
Indian Empire wrote:The Security Council,
NOTING, that twice, Capitalist Paradise has reached 900+ nations.
BEING AWARE, that Afforess was the nation which made recruitment levels so high.
STATING, that Afforess did not have a good history with the Game,
ALSO NOTING, that Capitalist Paradise was the main founder of NS++.
ATTENATIVE, that Afforess used illegal scripts in his browser extension.
DISMAYED, that Capitalist Paradise supported their region member's scripts.
CERTAIN, That Capitalist Paradise is a extremely pro raider region.
KNOWING, that Raiding is a action condemnable by this council.
HEREBY, Condemns Capitalist Paradise.
So, what do you think? If their are rule violations in this, please tell me how to rephrase it so it is not.
Sincerely,
Indian Empire
There's very little basis to this.
Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.
It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.
Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region,
even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.
Posted:
Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:24 pmby The Arctic Kingdom
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I think this condemnation is both unnecessary and inaccurate. I don't even like the region, but they definitely don't deserve a condemn because of one member's history with annoying NS. Plus it seems as if though NS++ will have a positive legacy in this game. As for being pro raider... I don't know if this is true, but as long as they themselves are not raiding, I couldn't care less.
I agree with you, I don't like their region, but the OP is incredibly inaccurate and vague
Posted:
Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:52 pmby DWAsnia
The Bruce wrote:Indian Empire wrote:The Security Council,
NOTING, that twice, Capitalist Paradise has reached 900+ nations.
BEING AWARE, that Afforess was the nation which made recruitment levels so high.
STATING, that Afforess did not have a good history with the Game,
ALSO NOTING, that Capitalist Paradise was the main founder of NS++.
ATTENATIVE, that Afforess used illegal scripts in his browser extension.
DISMAYED, that Capitalist Paradise supported their region member's scripts.
CERTAIN, That Capitalist Paradise is a extremely pro raider region.
KNOWING, that Raiding is a action condemnable by this council.
HEREBY, Condemns Capitalist Paradise.
So, what do you think? If their are rule violations in this, please tell me how to rephrase it so it is not.
Sincerely,
Indian Empire
There's very little basis to this.
Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.
It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.
Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region,
even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.
Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.
Posted:
Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:11 pmby Chester Pearson
DWAsnia wrote:The Bruce wrote:There's very little basis to this.
Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.
It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.
Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region,
even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.
Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.
That campaign as soon as the stamps came out was legendary....
Posted:
Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:46 pmby Anime Daisuki
DWAsnia wrote:The Bruce wrote:There's very little basis to this.
Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.
It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.
Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region,
even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.
Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.
Your knowledge is obviously incomplete.
Posted:
Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:58 amby The Bruce
Chester Pearson wrote:DWAsnia wrote:Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.
That campaign as soon as the stamps came out was legendary....
Not confusing them at all. We got targeted with recruiting telegrams in my region by Capitalist Paradise as recently as 10 days ago and again just over a week before that. Acario is using pretty much the same telegram that Afforess did when they pulled their stunt, but is now doing so with more regularity and without the excuse of it being a one-off experiment.
Posted:
Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:02 amby Rifty
The Bruce wrote:Chester Pearson wrote:That campaign as soon as the stamps came out was legendary....
Not confusing them at all. We got targeted with recruiting telegrams in my region by Capitalist Paradise as recently as 10 days ago and again just over a week before that. Acario is using pretty much the same telegram that Afforess did when they pulled their stunt, but is now doing so with more regularity and without the excuse of it being a one-off experiment.
I don't think recruiting from other regions (whether UCR or GCR) is condemn worthy in any regard. Recruitment is a part of NS; Some are a tad more rude about it.
Id encourage that not only is the proposal scrapped but if it must go ahead that the OP refrains from stating the size it got to as a region and the comments around their high levels of recruitment. It seems rather petty and comes across as you are searching for scraps of naughty acts to fund this condemnation; like they should be condemned for their success.
I don't think it is ever right to condemn a group based on a few past mistakes that has been made - Genuine intent to cause harm sure; but not this.
Posted:
Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:03 pmby DWAsnia
Anime Daisuki wrote:DWAsnia wrote:Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.
Your knowledge is obviously incomplete.
Thank you for correcting me.
Posted:
Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:36 pmby Shazbotdom
Worst
Proposal
Ever
Posted:
Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:10 amby Listania
I vote no buzz off.