[DRAFT]Condemn Capitalist Paradise

[Indian Empire]

The Security Council,
NOTING, that twice, Capitalist Paradise has reached 900+ nations.
BEING AWARE, that Afforess was the nation which made recruitment levels so high.
STATING, that Afforess did not have a good history with the Game,
ALSO NOTING, that Capitalist Paradise was the main founder of NS++.
ATTENATIVE, that Afforess used illegal scripts in his browser extension.
DISMAYED, that Capitalist Paradise supported their region member's scripts.
CERTAIN, That Capitalist Paradise is a extremely pro raider region.
KNOWING, that Raiding is a action condemnable by this council.
HEREBY, Condemns Capitalist Paradise.

So, what do you think? If their are rule violations in this, please tell me how to rephrase it so it is not.

Sincerely,
Indian Empire

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I think it should be buried in soft peat for three months and recycled as firelighters.

[Ainin]

4. Your proposal must read as representing the opinion of the World Assembly, and as targeting a Nation or Region.
This means:

(a) You cannot reference the "real world" outside of NationStates.
(b) You must refer to nations as nations, not as the player behind them. This includes the use of pronouns such as "he" or "she" as opposed to "they".
(c) You cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game.
(d) Your proposal must be written from the perspective of the World Assembly.

[Benevolent Thomas]

I think this condemnation is both unnecessary and inaccurate. I don't even like the region, but they definitely don't deserve a condemn because of one member's history with annoying NS. Plus it seems as if though NS++ will have a positive legacy in this game. As for being pro raider... I don't know if this is true, but as long as they themselves are not raiding, I couldn't care less.

[Chester Pearson]

So much illegal it hurts the eyes to read.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

On the positive side there are only about three spelling mistakes in the draft.

[DWAsnia]

Uh, yeah, IE just because we kicked you out of CP doesn't mean we're evil. In fact, there might have been some good reasons behind it, like threatening the ambassador of VF about destroying said region and spamming the IRC and its members who resided there about unbanning you . . . Yup, totally condemnable Why don't you actually understand the rules of the Security Council, improve your sophomoric writing, and removing petty grudges beforehand? Yes?

[Indian Empire]

Uh, yeah, IE just because we kicked you out of CP doesn't mean we're evil. In fact, there might have been some good reasons behind it, like threatening the ambassador of VF about destroying said region and spamming the IRC and its members who resided there about unbanning you . . . Yup, totally condemnable Why don't you actually understand the rules of the Security Council, improve your sophomoric writing, and removing petty grudges beforehand? Yes?

It may take some time, but i'll try.

[Solorni]

Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.

[Daynor]

Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.

Old CP, as in CP when I knew it back in 09ish era when I was involved only in The Conservative Coalition was pretty pro-raider. That is how they survived being founderless so long, IMO. Most of the 'conservative' or 'capitalist' or 'right-wing' regions back then were in general more raider leaning from what I saw, and those connections are how I eventually ended up moving from being a member of an isolated conservative region to being more raider-ist and involved in NS politics at large.

The newer voices of CP have seemed to be more defender-leaning, I agree.

[DWAsnia]

Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.

Most of the old players including people such as Nation of Quebec and Fastercat are pro-raider. If my memory serves from our old history, they and others advocated for the CP militia to raid (which happened). However, ever since I've been there (and before too) we have been neutral. I'd say there is a fairly even split between the pro-raider and the pro-defender voices.

[Versus Militia]

You need to find better reasons. All those statements were either reasons of why Capitalist Paradise should be commended or why Afforess should be condemned. So really now... where is the condemnation?

[Percussionland]

This proposal will be taken down if you submit it as is, as you cannot drift in and out of character, talking about game play and policy one minute and browser extensions the next. Also, you cannot condemn a region for the actions of one member nation, that's why you can condemn nations too. I recommend abandoning this, and gaining experience by participating in forum discussion for a bit before drafting any more proposals.

[Nation of Quebec]

This smells like another revenge based resolution that reeks of rule violations. This very likely won't even reach quorum, but given the Security Council's recent track record with allowing frivolous proposals to reach quorum, who knows.

Was CP really pro-raider? I recall Afforess always agreeing with Unibot and such... plus I also recall Capitalist Paradise being raided when it was founderless.

Most of the old players including people such as Nation of Quebec and Fastercat are pro-raider. If my memory serves from our old history, they and others advocated for the CP militia to raid (which happened). However, ever since I've been there (and before too) we have been neutral. I'd say there is a fairly even split between the pro-raider and the pro-defender voices.

Just to clarify this statement, I have never been pro-raider. If anything I'm very anti-raider and have been on the side of defenders more often then not.

[DWAsnia]

This smells like another revenge based resolution that reeks of rule violations. This very likely won't even reach quorum, but given the Security Council's recent track record with allowing frivolous proposals to reach quorum, who knows.

Most of the old players including people such as Nation of Quebec and Fastercat are pro-raider. If my memory serves from our old history, they and others advocated for the CP militia to raid (which happened). However, ever since I've been there (and before too) we have been neutral. I'd say there is a fairly even split between the pro-raider and the pro-defender voices.

Just to clarify this statement, I have never been pro-raider. If anything I'm very anti-raider and have been on the side of defenders more often then not.

Soz NoQ, was trying to go from memory

[The Bruce]

The Security Council,
NOTING, that twice, Capitalist Paradise has reached 900+ nations.
BEING AWARE, that Afforess was the nation which made recruitment levels so high.
STATING, that Afforess did not have a good history with the Game,
ALSO NOTING, that Capitalist Paradise was the main founder of NS++.
ATTENATIVE, that Afforess used illegal scripts in his browser extension.
DISMAYED, that Capitalist Paradise supported their region member's scripts.
CERTAIN, That Capitalist Paradise is a extremely pro raider region.
KNOWING, that Raiding is a action condemnable by this council.
HEREBY, Condemns Capitalist Paradise.

So, what do you think? If their are rule violations in this, please tell me how to rephrase it so it is not.

Sincerely,
Indian Empire

There's very little basis to this.

Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.

It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.

Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region, even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.

[The Arctic Kingdom]

I think this condemnation is both unnecessary and inaccurate. I don't even like the region, but they definitely don't deserve a condemn because of one member's history with annoying NS. Plus it seems as if though NS++ will have a positive legacy in this game. As for being pro raider... I don't know if this is true, but as long as they themselves are not raiding, I couldn't care less.

I agree with you, I don't like their region, but the OP is incredibly inaccurate and vague

[DWAsnia]

The Security Council,
NOTING, that twice, Capitalist Paradise has reached 900+ nations.
BEING AWARE, that Afforess was the nation which made recruitment levels so high.
STATING, that Afforess did not have a good history with the Game,
ALSO NOTING, that Capitalist Paradise was the main founder of NS++.
ATTENATIVE, that Afforess used illegal scripts in his browser extension.
DISMAYED, that Capitalist Paradise supported their region member's scripts.
CERTAIN, That Capitalist Paradise is a extremely pro raider region.
KNOWING, that Raiding is a action condemnable by this council.
HEREBY, Condemns Capitalist Paradise.

So, what do you think? If their are rule violations in this, please tell me how to rephrase it so it is not.

Sincerely,
Indian Empire

There's very little basis to this.

Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.

It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.

Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region, even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.

Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.

[Chester Pearson]

There's very little basis to this.

Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.

It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.

Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region, even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.

Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.

That campaign as soon as the stamps came out was legendary....

[Anime Daisuki]

There's very little basis to this.

Creating game tools isn't a reason to condemn a region, even with some of the past minor irregularities in their use.

It's been at least seven years since Capitalist Paradise was used as a favourite nesting region for certain members of DEN.

Being large and good at recruiting isn't a reason to condemn a region, even if the current delegate of Capitalist Paradise continues to frequently target established player created regions with recruiting telegram campaigns.

Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.

Your knowledge is obviously incomplete.

The Grand Duchy of Acario → tag: api
24 days ago

Anime Daisuki

As you know, a region often molds your experience in NationStates and as a capitalist nation, no region would be more apt than Capitalist Paradise.

Blah blah blah...

Capitalist Paradise Government

[The Bruce]

Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.

That campaign as soon as the stamps came out was legendary....

Not confusing them at all. We got targeted with recruiting telegrams in my region by Capitalist Paradise as recently as 10 days ago and again just over a week before that. Acario is using pretty much the same telegram that Afforess did when they pulled their stunt, but is now doing so with more regularity and without the excuse of it being a one-off experiment.

[Rifty]

That campaign as soon as the stamps came out was legendary....

Not confusing them at all. We got targeted with recruiting telegrams in my region by Capitalist Paradise as recently as 10 days ago and again just over a week before that. Acario is using pretty much the same telegram that Afforess did when they pulled their stunt, but is now doing so with more regularity and without the excuse of it being a one-off experiment.

I don't think recruiting from other regions (whether UCR or GCR) is condemn worthy in any regard. Recruitment is a part of NS; Some are a tad more rude about it.

Id encourage that not only is the proposal scrapped but if it must go ahead that the OP refrains from stating the size it got to as a region and the comments around their high levels of recruitment. It seems rather petty and comes across as you are searching for scraps of naughty acts to fund this condemnation; like they should be condemned for their success.

I don't think it is ever right to condemn a group based on a few past mistakes that has been made - Genuine intent to cause harm sure; but not this.

[DWAsnia]

Ummm, Bruce, are you confusing Acario with Afforess? Because to my knowledge, only Aff targeted UCR's with recruitment TG's.

Your knowledge is obviously incomplete.

The Grand Duchy of Acario → tag: api
24 days ago

Anime Daisuki

As you know, a region often molds your experience in NationStates and as a capitalist nation, no region would be more apt than Capitalist Paradise.

Blah blah blah...

Capitalist Paradise Government

Thank you for correcting me.

[Shazbotdom]

Worst
Proposal
Ever

[Listania]

I vote no buzz off.