[DEFEATED] Condemn Lazarus

[Great Kleomentia]

Some more adjustments and additions have been made.

I have yet to hear the opinions of the government of Lazarus.

I can hear them laughing in the background.

[Chester Pearson]

I have yet to hear the opinions of the government of Lazarus.

Yes... I'm almost positive they will be 100% for this.

[Nephmir]

Some more adjustments and additions have been made.

I have yet to hear the opinions of the government of Lazarus.

I can hear them laughing in the background.

Allow me to rephrase: I have yet to hear an opinion from someone relevant.

lol wat

This is complete nonsense.

>drafts a proposal to condemn lazarus
>expects to be taken seriously

These are not relevant opinions, either.

[Chester Pearson]

I can hear them laughing in the background.

Allow me to rephrase: I have yet to hear an opinion from someone relevant.

lol wat

This is complete nonsense.

>drafts a proposal to condemn lazarus
>expects to be taken seriously

These are not relevant opinions, either.

And yours is?

[The Stalker]

I can hear them laughing in the background.

Allow me to rephrase: I have yet to hear an opinion from someone relevant.

lol wat

This is complete nonsense.

>drafts a proposal to condemn lazarus
>expects to be taken seriously

These are not relevant opinions, either.

Seems to be the dominate opinion.

[DWAsnia]

Allow me to rephrase: I have yet to hear an opinion from someone relevant.





These are not relevant opinions, either.

Seems to be the dominate opinion.

Applauds Nephmir's attempts to further tarnish his resolution

Saddened that aforesaid nation does not recognize other's opinions

Hereby Disregards Nephmir's opinion

[Benevolent Thomas]

What is up with these condemn / commend / liberate resolutions for feeders and sinkers lately.

GCR regional governments and their conflicts, come and go. Far more logical to go after the individuals involved than to think a GCR itself warrants a condemning or commending.

It's not far from wanting to condemn / commend a warzone if you ask me.

I think you got your answer yesterday Nephmir. The notion of a C&C in a GCR is kind of silly considering how often most of them shift. Not even in terms of GP allegiance, but in governance, activity and popularity even. There is a threshold of (long term) consistency that needs to be met when commending or condemning a region and GCRs are generally not the place for that.

[Solorni]

Why not condemn Milograd who played a large role in establishing the current lazarus regime and who had couped TSP?

[Nephmir]

And yours is?

Relevant, as I am the author of this proposal.

Why not condemn Milograd who played a large role in establishing the current lazarus regime and who had couped TSP?

He has already been condemned. Twice, if I recall correctly. Also:

Concerned that this destructive, manipulative, irrational, and deceptive behavior is permitted to continue unopposed by this council,

Wishing to warn nations not to approach this deceptive and dangerous region,

Hereby Condemns "The People's Republic" of Lazarus.

What is up with these condemn / commend / liberate resolutions for feeders and sinkers lately.

GCR regional governments and their conflicts, come and go. Far more logical to go after the individuals involved than to think a GCR itself warrants a condemning or commending.

It's not far from wanting to condemn / commend a warzone if you ask me.

I think you got your answer yesterday Nephmir. The notion of a C&C in a GCR is kind of silly considering how often most of them shift. Not even in terms of GP allegiance, but in governance, activity and popularity even. There is a threshold of (long term) consistency that needs to be met when commending or condemning a region and GCRs are generally not the place for that.

GCRs are nothing more than large, founderless regions filled with thousands of inactive puppets and a few hundred active puppets that blindly endorse the next delegate when told to, as the small oligarchy that controls the government elects each other into power, with only a few notable exceptions. It's not even democracy. The entire region is also used as a tool for UCRs to gain further political recognition and power (as any ideology that is not exhibited by a GCR is highly frowned upon). There is nothing that makes GCRs special enough to be held to a higher standard than any other founderless region other than their political power in the World Assembly. They cannot even sustain a large military force (naturally, as any founderless region would struggle with) in comparison to UCRs because endorsements are needed on the delegate just to keep the region stable. GCRs rely on UCRs just as much as UCRs rely on GCRs, if not more.

As GCRs don't have to go through the early struggles of recruitment and community building as UCRs do, there is a widening gap between citizens and governments of GCRs, as recruits are automatically supplied over time and there is already an existing community. With each government change, this gap widens.

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I have added more to the proposal.

[Hobbesistan]

Why not condemn Milograd who played a large role in establishing the current lazarus regime and who had couped TSP?

I'd approve giving comrade Milo a 3rd badge, but he's kinda CTE'd.

[Benevolent Thomas]

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And what exactly did any of that have to do with my argument? My point was that GCRs due to their nature are historically less than consistent so any Commend/Condemn would not even accurately describe their communities after just a small amount of time has passed let alone years (as is the case with regions like Texas, 10KI, TBR and LWU). You don't need to preach to me about the true nature of GCRs, I'm well aware and I mostly agree with you already.

[Nephmir]

I'd just like to clarify that I probably won't submit this, due to the fact that I'd imagine all of the GCR delegates would vote against this if it comes to vote. I will still consider it though, as I am still drafting it and making improvements.

At any rate, it'll be awhile until the floor and Quorum is clear enough to submit this, so in the mean time I will keep editing it, and any suggestions that I can add would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to those who helped contribute already.

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And what exactly did any of that have to do with my argument? My point was that GCRs due to their nature are historically less than consistent so any Commend/Condemn would not even accurately describe their communities after just a small amount of time has passed let alone years (as is the case with regions like Texas, 10KI, TBR and LWU). You don't need to preach to me about the true nature of GCRs, I'm well aware and I mostly agree with you already.

Apologies... I haven't slept in awhile, must have completely missed the point.

To put it simply: Condemnations, as you are aware, are meant to 'express shock and dismay at a nation or region'. The current, stable and recognized government represents the region, hence what they do can be applied to region as a whole, so therefore the region can be condemned due to the actions of that single government.

Take my region, The Eternal Knights for an example. Although we have a founder nation controlled by me and others, and I am no longer the sole person with administrator access to the region (although I am acting alone currently as the rest of the government is not yet ready to be active, as I launched TEK a couple months early to get a head start in recruitment), yet TEK's previous actions still haunt us today, until we have proven that we are not the same as we were before during our early months.

Another (perhaps better) example: if I recall correctly, the Versutian Federation's new administration were forced to live with the previous' administrations bad PR. I remember an apology of some sort, but I do not recall the specifics.

The new Osiran Pharaoh was also forced to live with the previous Pharaoh's actions.

All that said, a region is forced to live with the reputation it has earned even if a new administration or government arises; if that new government manages to repair the damages and build anew, then the Condemnation can simply be repealed.

[Hobbesistan]

I would just like to note how every one of those examples besides TEK involved a new administration.

[Rifty]

Seriously neph; what are you on? First the Halcones condemn - Now this? What's the point? You know for well that a condemn is just as good as a commend in the eyes of the person receiving it - Why hand out the gold stars?

[Great Kleomentia]

I can hear them laughing in the background.

Allow me to rephrase: I have yet to hear an opinion from someone relevant.

lol wat

This is complete nonsense.

>drafts a proposal to condemn lazarus
>expects to be taken seriously

These are not relevant opinions, either.

We expressed that your proposal is utter bullshit, and you said "lalalalalalala I can't hear you". Good job. Really.

[NoblePhnx]

Seriously neph; what are you on? First the Halcones condemn - Now this? What's the point? You know for well that a condemn is just as good as a commend in the eyes of the person receiving it - Why hand out the gold stars?

In fairness Halcones is condemn worthy imho(raider commend) that man has done so much for raiding. This proposal goes after a GCR where that one went after an individual, but I agree this would never pass.

[Ainin]

Some more adjustments and additions have been made.

I have yet to hear the opinions of the government of Lazarus.

We're too busy "fooling the citizens of Lazarus into voting for us" to care.

Best regards,
Nautarya
Congressman, People's Republic of Lazarus

[The Real Fascist Austria]

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Condemn Lazarus

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Lazarus | Proposed by: Nephmir

Description: The Security Council,

Recognizes Lazarus as a region where newly returning nations are refounded,

States that regions of this nature and function are to uphold their duties and to remain open to all nations, ideologies, and opinions,

Identifies Lazarus as an Imperialist, Deformed Worker's State and Authoritarian Regime; the Lazarene government identifies their populace as "villagers, peasants, [and] urban workers" and its culture resembling that of a "socialist society", in which citizens' political and civil freedoms and rights are heavily restricted,

Recalls that the current Lazarene government came to power through the use of deception, fooling the citizens of Lazarus into voting them into power, upon which inspired rebellion, followed by holding the region with military force and removing the democratic government from power, banishing them without a trial or consensus of the citizens, and implementing a new socialist regime,

Concerned that despite claims made by this regime, the Lazarene government does not act upon the best interests of the people of Lazarus, simultaneously calling themselves the "People's Republic of Lazarus" despite the fact that no democratic elections have taken place; under the command of the current, oppressive World Assembly Delegate, Funkadelia, who declared itself dictator of Lazarus "until further notice", citizens that sought or expressed desires for democracy were humiliated, shunned, and permanently banned from Lazarus and its territory,

Notes that Karpathos, a General in the Lazarene Liberation Army, threatened to use military force on Osiris, a constitutional monarchy with democratic elections; this ultimately plunged the two regions into declaring a "state of war" in which damaged both regions before agreeing to a cease fire in later months,

Disgusted that the Lazarene government exercises "brainwashing" tactics to maintain control over its own people and to prevent rebellion; this technique involves using false statements and propaganda to create the illusion that Lazarus is a utopian existence, and that all other regions, excluding close allies, are incompetent, incorrect, and misguided, and need to be destroyed; furthermore, Lazarus refers to themselves as "Anti-Imperialist", despite being built upon an imperialist foundation through use of imperialist means, fighting to spread their culture and using counter-intelligence to damage the public image of and often destroy regions, and corrupting their people into thinking that they are "pure Defenders",

Horrified that despite self-identifying as "Defenders", Lazarus has supported organizations actively participating in destructive tactics, often leading to the destruction of innocent regions or their communities,

Appalled that the Lazarene culture has corrupted both new and returning nations, which in turn move to new regions and corrupt them with their ideology; this process also includes moving a nation to new Defender regions to act as natives, pulling them towards their twisted views of Defenderism; regions that do not comply are then forced into chaos at Lazarus' expense and rendered by the international community as "incompetent",

Enraged that Lazarene officials utilized the Lazarene military forces to interfere with the democratic process of other regions, stating that "all polls must be equal" before equalizing all poll options, resulting in a "stalemate" for all candidates on the targeted polls,

Angered that Lazarus constantly dismisses scientific and economic advancement, looking down upon citizens with free thought, discouraging new ideas beyond that of the advancement of the Lazarene culture and ideology,

Concerned that this destructive, manipulative, irrational, and deceptive behavior is permitted to continue unopposed by this council,

Wishing to warn nations not to approach this deceptive and dangerous region,

Hereby Condemns "The People's Republic" of Lazarus.

I will support this!

[Funkadelia]

I'm glad I'm being recognized for something

[Pergamon]

Cool Story Neph! Thank you for all the credits, bro. Great proposal, no more suggestions.

O/

~
Perg

[Kelinfort]

My god, the bullshit is piling up fast.

[Nie Rongzhen]

Some more adjustments and additions have been made.

I have yet to hear the opinions of the government of Lazarus.

Sorry for the delay. We had to put a lot of time into crafting an statement that completely conveyed our thoughts on your beliefs and efforts.

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[Nephmir]

I would just like to note how every one of those examples besides TEK involved a new administration.

Yes... however I may no longer be King in a few months. -_-

-snip-

Thank you. You have covered it up in a mocking way and yet do not even deny the behavior expressed in this proposal.

[New Charlzilla]

Nephmir, I'm beginning to actually think you do have some form of a plan.

[The Chairman]

I would just like to note how every one of those examples besides TEK involved a new administration.

Yes... however I may no longer be King in a few months. -_-

-snip-

Thank you. You have covered it up in a mocking way and yet do not even deny the behavior expressed in this proposal.

You may very well think that eating babies is a repulsive practice, but it's just a cultural difference.

If anything, your intolerance towards difference in the world is deserving of condemnation.