[Submitted] Repeal Liberate Christmas

by **Goddess Relief Office** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:51 am

Elke and Elba wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:How about you show us your main,instead of hiding behind a puppet like a coward?

I have to second this, the vast understanding of the complexities behind the Christmas issue seems to suggest a puppetry by one of those regions wishing to refound it as their own colony...

I would third this. Hiding just makes people suspicious of your intentions.

by **Bears Armed** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:30 am

Blood Wine wrote:
DWAsnia wrote:it's pretty obvious Bears of the North Pole is Bears Armed...

Confirmed.

by **New Brussels** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:45 pm

I'd actually love to hear what you've got to say, Cormac, no matter how dumb it may make you seem :lol:

by **Chester Pearson** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:59 pm

New Brussels wrote:I'd actually love to hear what you've got to say, Cormac, no matter how dumb it may make you seem

Why do you want to wreck Christmas for everyone Woodhouse? Won't you for once, please think of the children?

by **The Isles of Random** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:56 am

I attempted to put up a repeal a while back. And while they were busy convincing me it was a bad idea, someone else submitted one.

The following is the previous thread for Repeal Liberate Christmas
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=289070

by **Benevolent Thomas** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:31 am

This reminds me to make an obvious Christmas themed puppet for that region

Something Thomas... this might take a little bit.

by **Blood Wine** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:35 am

Benevolent Thomas wrote:This reminds me to make an obvious Christmas themed puppet for that region

Something Thomas... this might take a little bit.

Thomas the christmas train engine? Thomas scrooge?

by **New Brussels** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:47 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:Why do you want to wreck Christmas for everyone Woodhouse? Won't you for once, please think of the children?

Woodhouse? Now, now, now... let's not jump to any conclusions here! :lol:

by **Chester Pearson** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:59 pm

New Brussels wrote:
Chester Pearson wrote:Why do you want to wreck Christmas for everyone Woodhouse? Won't you for once, please think of the children?

Woodhouse? Now, now, now... let's not jump to any conclusions here!

Its really not that far of a leap....

by **Commun Universal** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:00 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:Its really not that far of a leap....

Yeah it is, Chester. Get a grip.

Pretty sure your fixation on me is owing to a vitamin and botanical deficiency. Could be passing a few gallstones on top of it.

Doctor Woodhouse prescribes a couple handfuls of organic power greens chased with a filthy martini—twice daily. (Uncle Val’s gin, if you can afford it.)

And next time you drive by BLITZKRIEG and NE, please stay long enough for tea and fair scones, y’hear?

by **New Brussels** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:44 pm

Can you spare me some scones?

by **Redsward** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:33 pm

Ynys Prydain wrote:I think I know who the author is, actually, but to avoid looking like an idiot if I'm wrong and to avoid exposing the person if I'm right, I'll just say "bah humbug" and move on.

It doesn't really matter. Whether this is a puppet of a veteran player or a random Sinker resident, this proposal isn't going to pass unless the puppets considered "native" to the festive puppet dump in question support it. Maybe not even then.

And he's been spamming the proposal after four removals...

...it's repealing a liberation of a raider org proxy...

...and his personality is similar to...

...the guy I stupidly tried to condemn for ONE OCCUPATION.

...the guy who made a proposal draft that Sedge locked in less than an hour.

...the current founder and delegate of Ancient Mesopotamia.

Are these enough clues? Sorry about blurting it out when Cormac tried to hide it...

Edit: I'll just be blunt and say it's Lenin.

by **Lower Columbian WA Mission** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:23 am

Redsward wrote:
Ynys Prydain wrote:I think I know who the author is, actually, but to avoid looking like an idiot if I'm wrong and to avoid exposing the person if I'm right, I'll just say "bah humbug" and move on.

It doesn't really matter. Whether this is a puppet of a veteran player or a random Sinker resident, this proposal isn't going to pass unless the puppets considered "native" to the festive puppet dump in question support it. Maybe not even then.

And he's been spamming the proposal after four removals...

...it's repealing a liberation of a raider org proxy...

...and his personality is similar to...

...the guy I stupidly tried to condemn for ONE OCCUPATION.

...the guy who made a proposal draft that Sedge locked in less than an hour.

...the current founder and delegate of Ancient Mesopotamia.

Are these enough clues? Sorry about blurting it out when Cormac tried to hide it...

Repeatedly resubmitting a proposal after it fails to reach quorum, yet not making any changes to it except for minor formatting, would certainly fit Len's character. After all, clogging up the SC with rubbish proposals is his MO.

by **Blood Wine** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:00 am

Lower Columbian WA Mission wrote:Repeatedly resubmitting a proposal after it fails to reach quorum, yet not making any changes to it except for minor formatting, would certainly fit Len's character. After all, clogging up the SC with rubbish proposals is his MO.

I highly doubt it's lenin - he's more in your face about it

by **Redsward** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:04 pm

Blood Wine wrote:
Lower Columbian WA Mission wrote:Repeatedly resubmitting a proposal after it fails to reach quorum, yet not making any changes to it except for minor formatting, would certainly fit Len's character. After all, clogging up the SC with rubbish proposals is his MO.

I highly doubt it's lenin - he's more in your face about it

Really dude? You know, New Brussels was in our faces. And so is Lenin in all of his spams.

by **Redsward** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:42 am

Redsward wrote:
Blood Wine wrote:
I highly doubt it's lenin - he's more in your face about it

Really dude? You know, New Brussels was in our faces. And so is Lenin in all of his spams.

My theory is false, actually. New Brussels and Lenin are both in the WA. They can't be the same person if they are both WA members, otherwise they'd be expelled for multying.

by **Blood Wine** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:02 am

Redsward wrote:
Redsward wrote:Really dude? You know, New Brussels was in our faces. And so is Lenin in all of his spams.

My theory is false, actually. New Brussels and Lenin are both in the WA. They can't be the same person if they are both WA members, otherwise they'd be expelled for multying.

"in your face" meaning not hiding behind puppets like a coward

Also spamming accusations --> moderation

by **New Brussels** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:06 am

Oh trust me, I'm not Lenin
And his proposals were far more rubbish than mine are

by **Redsward** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:38 pm

New Brussels wrote:Oh trust me, I'm not Lenin
And his proposals were far more rubbish than mine are

Oh yeah. Lenin has talked very bad about Chester Pearson, tried to commend Rifty for something very minor, and *shudder* liberate the Black Riders.

I know you are trying to keep Christmas' defenses up. Even if the residents of Christmas don't want the repeal.

by **New Brussels** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:15 pm

18 more approvals?

by **The Isles of Random** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:49 am

Again? I would like to say many of the natives have expressed the desire to keep the region liberated as it allows visitors to freely move in and out of the region.

As much as the liberation makes the region a Warzone, it also allows the region to be reclaimed by the natives with a simple task force of 2.

by **Chester Pearson** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:55 pm

Just an update. I filed a GHR on the continued submissions of this, and received this in response:

Moderator telegramNationStates Moderators
1 day 13 hours ago
Their actions are not against the rules.
ArchiveMoveDelete

by **Blood Wine** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:00 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:Just an update. I filed a GHR on the continued submissions of this, and received this in response:

Moderator telegramNationStates Moderators
1 day 13 hours ago
Their actions are not against the rules.
ArchiveMoveDelete

It's sad,but re-submitting legal proposals is sadly legal,even though it annoys everyone

by **The Isles of Random** » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:31 pm

I got this a few days back in regards to this proposal. I feel that it is appropriate to post here.

“Hrarroom!” ( = “Greetings”),
I noticed that you very recently approved an SC proposal to ‘Repeal “Liberate Christmas”’, which -- fortunately -- failed to reach quorum. Speaking as a native of the region of Christmas, I request that if the proposal is re-submitted you do not approve it again.
This proposal does not have support from the natives of Christmas, because as there is no realistic likelihood either of us establishing a native Delegate who has enough endorsements to defend the region successfully or of us re-founding the region (and we would prefer not to set a password ourselves, because Christmas is supposed to be welcoming to visitors…) the most probable result of the Liberation getting repealed would be the region’s capture and passwording by one or another of the various ‘raiding’ groups instead.
I hope that you will respond favourably to this request.
You probably haven’t encountered this nation before, but if you’re familiar with GA matters then you probably know my WA member-nation: The Diplomatic Immunity of Bears Armed Mission.
Happy Christmas!
*(sends over a gift basket of Bears Armed's produce, including a large jar of high-quality honey and a large bottle of high-quality maple syrup as well as assorted fruits and nuts)*

by **Bears of the North Pole** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:53 am

The Isles of Random wrote:I got this a few days back in regards to this proposal. I feel that it is appropriate to post here.

“Hrarroom!” ( = “Greetings”),
I noticed that you very recently approved an SC proposal to ‘Repeal “Liberate Christmas”’, which -- fortunately -- failed to reach quorum. Speaking as a native of the region of Christmas, I request that if the proposal is re-submitted you do not approve it again.
This proposal does not have support from the natives of Christmas, because as there is no realistic likelihood either of us establishing a native Delegate who has enough endorsements to defend the region successfully or of us re-founding the region (and we would prefer not to set a password ourselves, because Christmas is supposed to be welcoming to visitors…) the most probable result of the Liberation getting repealed would be the region’s capture and passwording by one or another of the various ‘raiding’ groups instead.
I hope that you will respond favourably to this request.
You probably haven’t encountered this nation before, but if you’re familiar with GA matters then you probably know my WA member-nation: The Diplomatic Immunity of Bears Armed Mission.
Happy Christmas!
*(sends over a gift basket of Bears Armed's produce, including a large jar of high-quality honey and a large bottle of high-quality maple syrup as well as assorted fruits and nuts)*

My work.
Sent to every delegate who approved the proposal last time around, apart maybeso from any who did so during its last few hours in the list, and then in a slightly modifed form (dropping the bit about it not having reached quorum, and changing the request from not re-approving it to withdrawing the current approval) to every delegate approving it this time who wasn't in that previous group.
I don't know how far it contributed to the fact that many of the first group haven't re-approved the proposal this time around (except in the cases of the half-dozen of them who actually replied to say they'd follow the request) -- some may have decided against doing so anyhows, of course and some simply might not have been active again since then -- but for the latter group (excluding a few whom I only contacted this morning) there's been a 5/11 success rate so far.

^_^

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