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[Abandoned] Condemn Libertatem

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Postby Sween » Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:30 am

Central Asian Republics wrote:OK, here's my first draft, let me know anything I did wrong, anything I should improve on, just constructive criticisms in general.
Aware that Libertatem is a large region that is anti-communist

Acknowledging that the region has set up many puppet regions such as Fort Reagan and The (former) Chernobyl Union, which was used as a plot to get all communist regions to support Libertatem.

Understanding the hypocrisy of Libertatem for condemning a region for invasion.

Believing that The Cooperative Union was a peaceful region and that after the region's founder was gone, a puppet named HJL Information Puppet was created to keep the region safe.

Confirming that the former Cooperative Union is part of The League of Reformed Socialist States' history.

Appalled by the fact that Libertatem used the absence of active nations to its advantage and occupied The Cooperative Union.

Shocked that Libertatem is a raider region seeking to destroy the left and promote the destruction of peace.

This resolution hereby condemns Libertatem.



I support condemnation 110%
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Republic of Minerva
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:46 am

Central Asian Republics wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
Sure. Although Sherm did that by his own free will, so I don't see the "puppet" part at all. A puppet suggests a greater force is controlling the strings by behind when this isn't the case.

Anyway, this is hardly enough to condemn us over. Perhaps if you tried looking deeper and asked around you'd probably get at least something.

Fine, however, the Chernobyl Union did help Libertatem in the take over of The Republics of Cuba and the Caribbean. I did not propose this for my region, I propose it for all the regions that have been raided by Libertatem. It's not just "a little raid", it's a lot of raids, that cost many nations their homes. I used The Cooperative Union as an example, not because I'm a hypocritical douchebag who only cares about my region.


And how is your audience supposed to know that? TRoCatC and TCU were dead regions, inconsequential to the WA. Such regions are being refounded all the time. You couldn't of picked a worse example.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:20 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Central Asian Republics wrote:Fine, however, the Chernobyl Union did help Libertatem in the take over of The Republics of Cuba and the Caribbean. I did not propose this for my region, I propose it for all the regions that have been raided by Libertatem. It's not just "a little raid", it's a lot of raids, that cost many nations their homes. I used The Cooperative Union as an example, not because I'm a hypocritical douchebag who only cares about my region.


And how is your audience supposed to know that? TRoCatC and TCU were dead regions, inconsequential to the WA. Such regions are being refounded all the time. You couldn't of picked a worse example.

The only reason why TRoCatC is a dead region is because it was RAIDED.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Sween wrote:
Central Asian Republics wrote:OK, here's my first draft, let me know anything I did wrong, anything I should improve on, just constructive criticisms in general.
Aware that Libertatem is a large region that is anti-communist

Acknowledging that the region has set up many puppet regions such as Fort Reagan and The (former) Chernobyl Union, which was used as a plot to get all communist regions to support Libertatem.

Understanding the hypocrisy of Libertatem for condemning a region for invasion.

Believing that The Cooperative Union was a peaceful region and that after the region's founder was gone, a puppet named HJL Information Puppet was created to keep the region safe.

Confirming that the former Cooperative Union is part of The League of Reformed Socialist States' history.

Appalled by the fact that Libertatem used the absence of active nations to its advantage and occupied The Cooperative Union.

Shocked that Libertatem is a raider region seeking to destroy the left and promote the destruction of peace.

This resolution hereby condemns Libertatem.



I support condemnation 110%

You might want to check out my 6th draft
Central Asian Republics wrote:Sixth draft.
Aware that Libertatem is a large region that have infiltrated many different regions.

Confirming that the region has set up many puppet regions such as The (former) Chernobyl Union, which was used as a plot to get all communist regions to support Libertatem.

Acknowledging the hypocrisy of Libertatem for condemning a region for invasion.

Believing that the former Cooperative Union is part of The League of Reformed Socialist States' history with numerous nations keeping it alive until another region was created as a new home, and that HJL Information Puppet was created to keep the old region alive.

Appalled by the fact that Libertatem used the absence of active nations to its advantage and occupied The Cooperative Union.

Shocked that Libertatem is a raider region with a specific goal of destroying any ideologies even slightly leaning towards the left, and destroying peace.

Hereby condemns Libertatem.
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Postby Czechostan » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:31 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Central Asian Republics wrote:Funny how a nation from Libertatem condemned North Korea for being a raider region and it got submitted, while mine details the exact same thing, but only done by Libertatem and everyone rages about how it's only a raid.


Tis merely a flesh wound! Not to mention that your facts are hilariously wrong. If anything we should be commended for helping rid Nationstates from statists like you.

Little known fact: people share different opinions than you. Though I am not in support of this condemnation, can you not see the hypocrisy of you condemning a region for being left-wing, but opposing the condemnation of your region for being right-wing?

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:33 pm

Czechostan wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
Tis merely a flesh wound! Not to mention that your facts are hilariously wrong. If anything we should be commended for helping rid Nationstates from statists like you.

Little known fact: people share different opinions than you. Though I am not in support of this condemnation, can you not see the hypocrisy of you condemning a region for being left-wing, but opposing the condemnation of your region for being right-wing?

Finally, someone other than me (and a few supporters in my region) see the shear hypocrisy of Libertatem.
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:33 pm

Czechostan wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
Tis merely a flesh wound! Not to mention that your facts are hilariously wrong. If anything we should be commended for helping rid Nationstates from statists like you.

Little known fact: people share different opinions than you. Though I am not in support of this condemnation, can you not see the hypocrisy of you condemning a region for being left-wing, but opposing the condemnation of your region for being right-wing?


There is no hypocrisy, because I am right. Libertatem isn't "right wing." We have no set ideology except for anti-communism and anti-fascism.

Central Asian Republics wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
And how is your audience supposed to know that? TRoCatC and TCU were dead regions, inconsequential to the WA. Such regions are being refounded all the time. You couldn't of picked a worse example.

The only reason why TRoCatC is a dead region is because it was RAIDED.


And it was raided because it was dead.
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Postby Czechostan » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:37 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Czechostan wrote:Little known fact: people share different opinions than you. Though I am not in support of this condemnation, can you not see the hypocrisy of you condemning a region for being left-wing, but opposing the condemnation of your region for being right-wing?


There is no hypocrisy, because I am right. Libertatem isn't "right wing." We have no set ideology except for anti-communism and anti-fascism.

Let me rephrase that: Condemning a region for being anti-imperialist/capitalist, but opposing the condemnation of your region for being anti-communist.
Please, elaborate on how you are "right."
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:41 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:There is no hypocrisy, because I am right. Libertatem isn't "right wing." We have no set ideology except for anti-communism and anti-fascism.

Yes there is, you made a resolution condemning a region for raiding, while your region did the exact same thing, I drafted a condemnation about it, then you opposite. Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in what you're doing? Also, arrogance and ignorance will get you nowhere.

Republic of Minerva wrote:And it was raided because it was dead.

I'm sure that this counts as dead. Unlike TCU, TRoCatC had nations before it was invaded.
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Postby New Grestin » Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:44 pm

Kinda middle of the ground on this one.

The proposal is well written and all that, but I'm not sure if I support the condemnation.


If/When it comes to a vote, I give it a weary TOTAL approval.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:03 am

Seventh draft already, what should/do I do next?
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:13 am

Central Asian Republics wrote:Seventh draft already, what should/do I do next?


Submit it so I can watch it fail.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:56 am

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Central Asian Republics wrote:Seventh draft already, what should/do I do next?


Submit it so I can watch it fail.

I just noticed that Das Kommune was invaded by Libertatem. The hypocrisy is too much.
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Postby The 3rd Worker Soviet » Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:12 am

Full support. You might as well just have copied Libertatems SC proposal and replaced the region names. The hypocrisy is astounding.

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:12 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:Submit it so I can watch it fail.

I've already submitted it.
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Postby Coraxion » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:26 pm

Draft doesn't make sense.

Far-right wing battle goons just try increase their WA credibility. Nothing condomnworthy. (LOL! "Condemnworthy")

Offer that to them and they'll eat the offering Hand.

These players still need some discipline to make their agenda go through WA Security Counsil's all seeing eyes.

...And what ever happens in These esteemed halls, doesn't mean a Shit. A Part of Nazi loving kingdom of Freedom of Expression of higher Ideals...

Against! They do not need approval of SC for un-deserved condemnation.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:52 pm

Coraxion wrote: un-deserved condemnation.

Tell that to North Korea who does the exact same thing as Libertatem except that people actually supports the condemnation of North Korea because of its name.
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Postby Coraxion » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:31 pm

Central Asian Republics wrote:
Coraxion wrote: un-deserved condemnation.

Tell that to North Korea who does the exact same thing as Libertatem except that people actually supports the condemnation of North Korea because of its name.


Support condemnation of The Black Riders because of its name. Do you?

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:50 pm

Coraxion wrote:
Central Asian Republics wrote:Tell that to North Korea who does the exact same thing as Libertatem except that people actually supports the condemnation of North Korea because of its name.


Support condemnation of The Black Riders because of its name. Do you?

No. I'm talking about the hypocrisy on the condemnation of North Korea. Which is one of the reasons why I submitted this.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:25 pm

It's nice to see 7 approvals already.
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:05 am

There's so much more you could of put into this, it's not even funny.

But whatever. Like I said, can you condemn me next? :3
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:29 am

Republic of Minerva wrote:There's so much more you could of put into this, it's not even funny.

But whatever. Like I said, can you condemn me next? :3

It's not supposed to be funny, unlike your hypocrisy-filled condemnation of North Korea.
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:54 am

So is that a yes? :3
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:57 am

Republic of Minerva wrote:So is that a yes? :3

No, I'm actually respectful and condemn something that needs to be condemned.
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Postby Funkytopia » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:55 pm

How North Korea, Das Kommune, and The League of Reformed Socialist States do things:

http://www.nationstates.net/region=nort ... 6#p8016746

How Libertatem does things:

http://www.nationstates.net/region=libe ... 7#p8021367

"Democratic-Centralism" vs. Real Democracy

Echo Chamber vs. Marketplace of Ideas

Intolerance vs. Ideological Diversity

And you wonder why you don't get the support of the moderate-left? It would help if you didn't banject at the first sign of ideological impurity... :roll:

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