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SUBMITTED: Condemn The Holocaust

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Oh my Days
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SUBMITTED: Condemn The Holocaust

Postby Oh my Days » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:49 am

Condemn The Holocaust

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation


Nominee: The Holocaust


Proposed by: Oh my Days

Description: DEFINING the Holocaust as an act of mass destruction and loss of life (especially in war or by fire); "a nuclear holocaust".

DISMAYED that some nations would resort to such a practice.

CONCERNED that little is being done to prevent these dastardly acts.

AWARE that there are always better ways to solve a situation.

HOPING that an official WA Condemnation may discourage nations from waging a Holocaust of any sort.

The WA hereby CONDEMNS The Holocaust.


I couldn't work out how to format it as a proposal so have quoted it instead.

What do you all think?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:24 am

We think it is incredibly stupid to put forth a condemnation based entirely on the regions name, without any facts or evidence given why that region should be condemned besides the fact YOU don't like their name.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:54 am

The region was founded by the author, so she could condemn the Holocaust. A rather pointless exercise, since genocide has already been condemned by the WA.

EDIT: GHR filed.
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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:33 am

You have to include at least some reference to the region being condemned. Something like:

"APPALLED that anyone would create a region to glorify such a barbarous act against humanity."

As it is, your proposal is a condemnation of the RL holocaust with no mention at all of the NS region.
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Postby Unibot » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:36 am

Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to include at least some reference to the region being condemned. Something like:

"APPALLED that anyone would create a region to glorify such a barbarous act against humanity."

As it is, your proposal is a condemnation of the RL holocaust with no mention at all of the NS region.


But SC#9 was a liberation of the Security Council with no mention at all of the NS region. I don't believe its illegal to do so. Its just ironic.

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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:40 am

Unibot wrote:
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to include at least some reference to the region being condemned. Something like:

"APPALLED that anyone would create a region to glorify such a barbarous act against humanity."

As it is, your proposal is a condemnation of the RL holocaust with no mention at all of the NS region.


But SC#9 was a liberation of the Security Council with no mention at all of the NS region. I don't believe its illegal to do so. Its just ironic.

The active clause in SC#9 could be taken as a reference to the region, but yeah, I see your point. How did that thing manage to slip through?
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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:46 am

Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:
Unibot wrote:
Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:You have to include at least some reference to the region being condemned. Something like:

"APPALLED that anyone would create a region to glorify such a barbarous act against humanity."

As it is, your proposal is a condemnation of the RL holocaust with no mention at all of the NS region.


But SC#9 was a liberation of the Security Council with no mention at all of the NS region. I don't believe its illegal to do so. Its just ironic.

The active clause in SC#9 could be taken as a reference to the region, but yeah, I see your point. How did that thing manage to slip through?


Ard approved of it.

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Postby Oh my Days » Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:49 pm

Ah, it's been deleted now anyway, presumably because of Kenny's GHR. Is that counted as a duplicate proposal? I thought that it would be different as this is asking the WA to do something completely different. Kenny's resolution brought about anti-genocide laws, I was asking the WA to Condemn a region.

EDIT: I'm a guy btw
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Postby Ardchoille » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:33 pm

#SC9 removes the right of the delegate of the region to impose a password -- a pre-emptive Liberation. It survived to go At Vote for two reasons: 1, it was an action that the SC was capable of performing; 2, the SC delegates decided they wanted to perform it.

Whether they decided on the basis of wanting to metaphorically "liberate" the body, the Security Council, or on the basis of not wanting the delegate of the region, The Security Council, to be able to impose a password, is immaterial. They decided that a technically legal proposal should go to vote.

You may have noticed that assessment of the worth of arguments in Security Council proposals is up to the delegates, not the mods.
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Postby Ract » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:19 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:We think it is incredibly stupid to put forth a condemnation based entirely on the regions name, without any facts or evidence given why that region should be condemned besides the fact YOU don't like their name.


It was ok to do that to Nazi Europe... :unsure:

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Postby Rolamec the Great » Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:36 pm

Ract wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:We think it is incredibly stupid to put forth a condemnation based entirely on the regions name, without any facts or evidence given why that region should be condemned besides the fact YOU don't like their name.


It was ok to do that to Nazi Europe... :unsure:


Thats an interesting point.

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Postby Ardchoille » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:49 am

Ract wrote:It was ok to do that to Nazi Europe... :unsure:



The reason given in the Condemnation was their ideology:
RECOGNIZING the Nazi ideology as one of hate,


While you could argue that delegates saw the name "Nazi" and voted against that without ever checking whether Nazi Europe were Nazis in their NS actions -- ie, that delegates voted because they didn't like the name -- the wording of the actual proposal was slightly more substantial.

Slightly.
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Postby Kandarin » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:49 am

Rolamec the Great wrote:
Ract wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:We think it is incredibly stupid to put forth a condemnation based entirely on the regions name, without any facts or evidence given why that region should be condemned besides the fact YOU don't like their name.


It was ok to do that to Nazi Europe... :unsure:


Thats an interesting point.


I think this is the point the proposal author was trying to make, but it's been made enough with all the repeal attempts on "Condemn Nazi Europe". It's been made apparent that this isn't going to work in the short term, so let's let the issue rest for a while.
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Postby Ardchoille » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:52 am

Not a bad idea. iLock.
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