[Passed] Repeal Liberate Coalition of Freedom

[Mundiferrum]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass. If my - quiet simply - demands aren't meant i won't be allowing it to pass. Yes i expect it to reach quorum but the WA won't vote it in. I'll make sure of that.

However if i was provided with delegacy (non-executive) for an indeffinant term than id shut up. Would have me put a lot more trust into the region and strengthen ties betweem AoI and CoF. I feel this is a good thing - however if the citizen base disagrees than so be it.

The goal is a democratic region. Removed from the tyranny indefinite rule can lead to. You're not going to get an indefinite term of office unless you march in and take it by force, period.

You can live there, you can run, you can win, you can run for re-election, and if you follow the constitution and it's limits on powers, you can keep that seat for as long as the people want you to. But we're not giving it to you for life.

And sending more TG's might just make them vote the other way at this point.

If he mentions TBR multiple times, however....

[Chester Pearson]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass.

You seem to be under the impression you are some hot shit around here. Let me be the first to bust your bubble....

Perhaps if you had not griefed regions, your nation would not have been deleted, and you would not be in this position.

[Rifty]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass.

You seem to be under the impression you are some hot shit around here. Let me be the first to bust your bubble....

Perhaps if you had not griefed regions, your nation would not have been deleted, and you would not be in this position.

Well - Make it pass than mate. I am holy shit though - I am the Prophet

I am not too chuffed i was deleted; i get to grow a region all over again!

[Cormac A Stark]

Let's be clear here about why the liberation passed in the first place. The Delegate of the third most influential region in NationStates (according to a recent survey) authored it, it referred to The Black Riders as many times as possible while still maintaining coherent sentence structures, several big Delegates voted for it early, and it had "Liberate" in front of it.

Anyone who thinks they're responsible for it passing, and can prevent a repeal from passing, is delusional. I don't even think I'm completely responsible for it passing, and I'm a Sinker Delegate and the guy who authored the resolution.

What you all need is a healthy dose of humility and a swift kick in the arse. In the meantime, I've approved the repeal and will vote on it according to the regional vote in Osiris -- as I do on every resolution, including the initial liberation -- but otherwise I wash my hands of this whole mess and I'm not going to be further involved. People should vote however they feel is best on this repeal; I have no position at this point except disgust with all involved parties.

[Lexicor]

Let's be clear here about why the liberation passed in the first place. The Delegate of the third most influential region in NationStates (according to a recent survey) authored it, it referred to The Black Riders as many times as possible while still maintaining coherent sentence structures, several big Delegates voted for it early, and it had "Liberate" in front of it.

Anyone who thinks they're responsible for it passing, and can prevent a repeal from passing, is delusional. I don't even think I'm completely responsible for it passing, and I'm a Sinker Delegate and the guy who authored the resolution.

What you all need is a healthy dose of humility and a swift kick in the arse. In the meantime, I've approved the repeal and will vote on it according to the regional vote in Osiris -- as I do on every resolution, including the initial liberation -- but otherwise I wash my hands of this whole mess and I'm not going to be further involved. People should vote however they feel is best on this repeal; I have no position at this point except disgust with all involved parties.

I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy day to show how disgusted you are with me

Coming from you it really means a lot

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I appreciate you taking the time out of your busy day to show how disgusted you are with me

Coming from you it really means a lot

Hey, at least he's being honest about why it passed. More than we can say about Rifty.

[Blood Wine]

it went from [instarepeal] to [submitted] so chill out

What? I thought Coalition of Freedom was already liberated! What - oh, it's a repeal.
....
It says '[Submitted] Liberate Coalition of Freedom', not the more appropriate '[Submitted] Repeal "Liberate Coalition of Freedom"'. EDIT: The topic title really should be changed; first time I saw this thread, I mistook this for an ill-advised redundancy, and quickly dismissed it.

"Annoying as blackholes that someone can't even have the decency to name this properly"
vs
"Hey mate,your thread title is buggered,you should fix it"

[NoblePhnx]

Approve

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Approve

Glad to see you speaking up outside of TG's, man

[Rifty]

I am supporting the new CoF after discussions with Len and his assurance and overview of what he'll dowith the place. Anyway best of luck to lenny and the rest ofthose partaking in the refound. You have my support in repealing the liberation - Now can we move on from this because i'm kinda sick of the negativity surrounding it~

Direct quote from another of the CoF related topics - Also more than happy to pay for the stamps if it seems it won't pass...

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I am supporting the new CoF after discussions with Len and his assurance and overview of what he'll dowith the place. Anyway best of luck to lenny and the rest ofthose partaking in the refound. You have my support in repealing the liberation - Now can we move on from this because i'm kinda sick of the negativity surrounding it~

Direct quote from another of the CoF related topics - Also more than happy to pay for the stamps if it seems it won't pass...

Nooooo more TG's! Maybe one! But we'd have to sit down together and talk about it and send out *one*. And even that's probably not going to happen!

[Rifty]

Direct quote from another of the CoF related topics - Also more than happy to pay for the stamps if it seems it won't pass...

Nooooo more TG's! Maybe one! But we'd have to sit down together and talk about it and send out *one*. And even that's probably not going to happen!

It's just telegrams - I'm sending a mass WA recruitment tomrorow~

[Communist Victoria]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass.

You seem to be under the impression you are some hot shit around here. Let me be the first to bust your bubble....

Perhaps if you had not griefed regions, your nation would not have been deleted, and you would not be in this position.

Actually, If you noticed, he was not deleted for griefing.
He was deleted for "Hacking" someones account.
The guy gave him the wrong password, rifty entered it wrong too many times,and all his nations were deleted. (which included nations that were seen as against him)

[Chester Pearson]

You seem to be under the impression you are some hot shit around here. Let me be the first to bust your bubble....

Perhaps if you had not griefed regions, your nation would not have been deleted, and you would not be in this position.

Actually, If you noticed, he was not deleted for griefing.
He was deleted for "Hacking" someones account.
The guy gave him the wrong password, rifty entered it wrong too many times,and all his nations were deleted. (which included nations that were seen as against him)

Uh huh... I have entered the wrong password on a long lost puppet too may times before, and my nations weren't deleted...

If you have some evidence to back up this claim, feel free to share it with the rest of us?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Uh huh... I have entered the wrong password on a long lost puppet too may times before, and my nations weren't deleted...

If you have some evidence to back up this claim, feel free to share it with the rest of us?

You don't have a history involving destroying a region by sneakily gaining access to a shared founder, among other offences, as far as I know

EDIT: I almost forgot! Thanks to EVERYONE who approved! We've reached Quorum and will be at vote in just a few hours!

[Chester Pearson]

You don't have a history involving destroying a region by sneakily gaining access to a shared founder, among other offences, as far as I know

Precisely the point I was making earlier....

EDIT: I almost forgot! Thanks to EVERYONE who approved! We've reached Quorum and will be at vote in just a few hours!

No thanks for the campaign to get it to quorum huh?

[Rifty]

Uh huh... I have entered the wrong password on a long lost puppet too may times before, and my nations weren't deleted...

If you have some evidence to back up this claim, feel free to share it with the rest of us?

You don't have a history involving destroying a region by sneakily gaining access to a shared founder, among other offences, as far as I know

EDIT: I almost forgot! Thanks to EVERYONE who approved! We've reached Quorum and will be at vote in just a few hours!

That access to the shared admin was NOT why i was deleted. I spoke to mods around the matter and it had nothing to do what the GDU incident ^_~

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

You ran one? Awesome, man, Thanks a ton! I'm sorry if you told Len and didn't pass it on...


@Rifty - oh, so just other past behavior stuff then ANd the general thing involving the fact that bans for mistaken "hackings" are hard to reverse. One of my pups got killed for that once after someone asked me to help them figure it out when they lost it...it took a GHR filed by *him* saying I was innocent for it to be reversed.

[UFoC Campaign Office]

You ran one? Awesome, man, Thanks a ton! I'm sorry if you told Len and didn't pass it on...

Wired To → tag: api
1 day 21 hours ago
Honorable Delegate %NATION%
As you have been aware, you have been subject to non-stop spam from The Incorporated States of Riftyl, trying to stop you from approving the proposal to repeal the liberation of Coalition of freedom. His plan is to annoy everyone enough that they will not approve this proposal. I myself have absolutely zero interest in what happens in this region, but I like you an tired of his constant spam.
I would ask that you APPROVE this proposal and vote for it, so this nightmare will end. I assure you this is the only telegram on this matter you will receive from me.
Regards and thank you for your time,
The UFoC Ambassador of Chester Pearson

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

AH, well, again - Thanks

YOU get a thanks and YOU get a thanks and YOU get a thanks....EVERYONE gets a thanks!

[Valrifell]

AH, well, again - Thanks

YOU get a thanks and YOU get a thanks and YOU get a thanks....EVERYONE gets a thanks!

Except for anyone who completely ignored this.

In which case, two things, good for you! and, no thank you for you!

[Panait]

The current poll occurred as extremely shocking to our government. Therefore, we have to ask all of you non-newbie fellows: Do most of the nations vote not knowing what a resolution will impact? Does anyone actually read and make sure they understand the resolution?. The same group of members, passing a bill with a clear majority, then immediately attempt to repeal it, with an overwhelming support.

Quite ridiculous, if you ask me.

[Mundiferrum]

The current poll occurred as extremely shocking to our government. Therefore, we have to ask all of you non-newbie fellows: Do most of the nations vote not knowing what a resolution will impact? Does anyone actually read and make sure they understand the resolution?. The same group of members, passing a bill with a clear majority, then immediately attempt to repeal it, with an overwhelming support.

I see that you're very, very, very, very new here.

Yes on the first question, yes on the second question (but on the second question: very few of the WA actually does so).

[Ninja Kittens]

The current poll occurred as extremely shocking to our government. Therefore, we have to ask all of you non-newbie fellows: Do most of the nations vote not knowing what a resolution will impact? Does anyone actually read and make sure they understand the resolution?. The same group of members, passing a bill with a clear majority, then immediately attempt to repeal it, with an overwhelming support.

I see that you're very, very, very, very new here.

Yes on the first question, yes on the second question (but on the second question: very few of the WA actually does so).

"To add to that, Liberations themselves are somewhat touchy that way. There are occasionally very short gaps of time between the point where a Liberation is approved and the point where the reason the Liberation was needed is no longer valid. Usually the turn-around isn't quite this fast, but let's face it. There has been very little about this... debacle, that has been usual."

[Panait]

"To add to that, Liberations themselves are somewhat touchy that way. There are occasionally very short gaps of time between the point where a Liberation is approved and the point where the reason the Liberation was needed is no longer valid. Usually the turn-around isn't quite this fast, but let's face it. There has been very little about this... debacle, that has been usual."

We were already expecting a repeal, as we were engaged in the discussion in the forums of the original liberation thread. What took us by surprise, though, is how the votes of the fellow WA nations has had... such a dramatic change in this utterly short timeframe. Not even that many WA nations, let alone Delegates, frequent these forums; yet the votes suddenly shift in favour of a repeal.

Unless, of course, Rifty's, or anybody else's, TG campaign has had a massive brainwashing success.

If this situation were to happen in real life, the governments of the WA and the WA itself will be at the mercy of political commentators, criticism from opposition parties, and in more political sensitive ones even open bombardment from the voters that hates its government being wibbly-wobbly. Reminds me how much the WA is both a realistic supranational political entity, and is not such an entity, at the same time.