[DRAFT] Liberate Canada

[Goddess Relief Office]

So what's the point? If you pass this then anyone who enters will be banjected. You know Jakker isn't going to try and refound, so why bother?

How do they know that though? So far people in Canada have been pretty good sports about the whole thing. Now there's a password in place though and Jakker is having fun banning active natives. What guarantee does Canada have that Jakker is not planning to refound the place?

What Ananke said. Going by the old rules pre-influence, grieving has already occurred here since Jakker has ejected more than 10% of the native population. It's close to 1/3 now.

[Jakker]

How do they know that though? So far people in Canada have been pretty good sports about the whole thing. Now there's a password in place though and Jakker is having fun banning active natives. What guarantee does Canada have that Jakker is not planning to refound the place?

What Ananke said. Going by the old rules pre-influence, grieving has already occurred here since Jakker has ejected more than 10% of the native population. It's close to 1/3 now.

To be fair, most of them were inactive or puppets. Some might call it grieving, I call it greating.

[McMasterdonia]

This has my full support. Best of luck to Canada.

[DWAsnia]

Against. How can you hate Billy Joel?

"I don't need you to worry for me cause I'm alright
I don't want you to tell me it's time to come home
I don't care what you say anymore, this is my life
Go ahead with your own life and leave me alone"

[Frattastan II]

So what's the point? If you pass this then anyone who enters will be banjected.

Overall less nations will be displaced, because more influence is needed to banject than to eject.

[District XIV]

For. How am I gonna get my share of maple syrup if there's a password? ;-;

[Devil Heart]

Proposal withdrawn, thanks for your patience nations.

Lets get back to the draft

[District XIV]

Lets get back to the draft

Get rid of this:

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

Category: Liberation | Nominee: Canada | Proposed by: Devil Heart

The game puts that up top automatically.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Conscious that the delegate position has now been handed over to a nation from The Black Hawks, a group previously condemned by this council for their treatment of occupied regions,

I realize that brevity is best however I would expand upon this sentence as voting nations are not always aware of what goes on in other regions. They might read "handed over" as a surrendering of the Delegate seat.
My advice is to expand upon it.

Conscious that the delegate position stolen by the nation Athabasca Sands, having depleted influence then passed the seat to a nation from The Black Hawks who had infiltrated the region some 11 months previously with the intent to cause harm to the region.

Above is my suggested change but others may word it better.

[Cormac A Stark]

I'm not sure a reference to "depleted influence" is legal under R4. There could be an RP interpretation of "depleted influence" but that feels like a stretch.

[Ramaeus]

I'm not sure a reference to "depleted influence" is legal under R4. There could be an RP interpretation of "depleted influence" but that feels like a stretch.

It's a bit of a tricky area, but I think it should be legal. If there's some uncertainty on the part of the authors, then they can always ask the mods for a ruling. I'm sure they'll be happy to supply one.

EDIT: Also, references to game mechanics are typically fine (i.e passwords), so long as it's kept within the IC context of the SC.

[Goddess Relief Office]

I'm not sure a reference to "depleted influence" is legal under R4. There could be an RP interpretation of "depleted influence" but that feels like a stretch.

It's a bit of a tricky area, but I think it should be legal. If there's some uncertainty on the part of the authors, then they can always ask the mods for a ruling. I'm sure they'll be happy to supply one.

EDIT: Also, references to game mechanics are typically fine (i.e passwords), so long as it's kept within the IC context of the SC.

Yep, the word "Influence" shouldn't be a concern. See:

Any term included within NationStates the game - eg. passwords, World Factbook Entries, founders, eject, 'black helicopters transporting nations between regions' - legal (see here, here, here, here and here)

I'm more worried about the use of the word "infiltrated" that was suggested in Wordy's post. It's probably illegal from my reading of the rules. Have to find a round-about-way to say it if Op intends to adopt that. Also, a nation shouldn't be referred to using "who" but "which/that".


~GRO~

[Wrapper]

We, the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, have written the following ditty to show our support for this liberation:

Times have changed
The raids are getting worse
They banject all the natives
They just want to grief and curse

Should we blame the moderators?
Or blame ol' Max Barry?
Or should we just ignore it completely?

NO!

LIB CANADA! LIB CANADA!
It seems everything's gone wrong
Since the Black Hawks came along

LIB CANADA! LIB CANADA!
We need to form a full assault!
It's all Billy Joel's fault!

[Jakker]

We, the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, have written the following ditty to show our support for this liberation:

Times have changed
The raids are getting worse
They banject all the natives
They just want to grief and curse

Should we blame the moderators?
Or blame ol' Max Barry?
Or should we just ignore it completely?

NO!

LIB CANADA! LIB CANADA!
It seems everything's gone wrong
Since the Black Hawks came along

LIB CANADA! LIB CANADA!
We need to form a full assault!
It's all Billy Joel's fault!

Nicely done, Wrapper. I feel as though it is only fitting that this resolution be written in a lyrical style.

[Onderkelkia]

What guarantee does Canada have that Jakker is not planning to refound the place?

They have the guarantee of the United Imperial Armed Forces of the LKE, TNI and Albion that there will be no re-founding of Canada.

When the UIAF ended its occupation and handed over to The Black Hawks, that there would be no re-found was agreed as part of the handover.

That agreement is not going to be breached and it would be misleading for people to suggest such. Whatever else, no re-founding will be attempted.

[Topid]

It is very rare that a refound attempt is made without claiming that a refound attempt is not being made.

The region was passworded against the natives will, and they are requesting a liberation. Regardless of what the raiders say they intend to do, this is an open and close case for Liberation.

Besides, as Fratt says this means you will have to expend influence to ban nations along with ejecting them, and to re-eject and ban the nations that will be allowed back.

I will be approving this and voting for it upon re-submission.

[Mallorea and Riva]

It is very rare that a refound attempt is made without claiming that a refound attempt is not being made.

The region was passworded against the natives will, and they are requesting a liberation. Regardless of what the raiders say they intend to do, this is an open and close case for Liberation.

Besides, as Fratt says this means you will have to expend influence to ban nations along with ejecting them, and to re-eject and ban the nations that will be allowed back.

I will be approving this and voting for it upon re-submission.

We aren't going to make liars out of the UIAF, or any of our friends and allies.

I'm sure we can arrange some fireworks for the resolution.

[Sichuan Pepper]

Is that a guarantee that the region will not be passed to another invading org that might have different ideas over burning the region?

[Jakker]

Is that a guarantee that the region will not be passed to another invading org that might have different ideas over burning the region?

Now, Wordy, why would I do that? Being in power is just too much fun to give to someone else.

[Mallorea and Riva]

This operation was led by UIAF, TBH, and TWP. Draft should at least reflect this, it excludes TWP entirely.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

We are not attempting to write a definitive history of the raid, merely providing enough background for the SC to comprehend the situation. We mention the organizations for the two leads, but I see no need to give others free publicity.

[Mallorea and Riva]

We are not attempting to write a definitive history of the raid, merely providing enough background for the SC to comprehend the situation. We mention the organizations for the two leads, but I see no need to give others free publicity.

Hey feel free to make your draft less accurate if you want, it'll make it easier to shoot down at vote. Besides this will be great publicity for all involved anyways.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

got my vote

[Devil Heart]

Lets get back to the draft

Get rid of this:

A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.

Category: Liberation | Nominee: Canada | Proposed by: Devil Heart

The game puts that up top automatically.

Done.
Just working my way through everyone' s thoughtful erudite suggestions.
Thank you for your patience

[Val-Verde]

As WA Delegate of South America, I and my fellow South Americans fully support this draft resolution and want to see it brought to the table.