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Postby Elke and Elba » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:34 pm

Frattastan II wrote:
Elke and Elba wrote:Douria could probably do better with a repeal of this and a condemnation of Nazi Europa :p


That conveys the idea that just abandoning the Condemned region and recreating it elsewhere is enough to make the resolution no longer relevant, and in need of repeal. Pretty easy way to get rid of a Condemnation.


Fratt, problem is that it is the undeniable fact that foreign forces have taken over Nazi Europe and turned it into another trophy region.

Furthermore, with the new Nazi Eutope administration unrelated to the old one and to Nazi Europa, ot makes no sense at all to let them keep the condemnation as a trophy, as well as let the real perpetrators get absolved from guilt. This case is unlike Macedon.
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Postby Frattastan II » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:41 pm

Even if you want to absolve NE on the basis that their original region was conquered, your comment says nothing about my point of the proposal misrepresenting the situation.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:44 pm

Frattastan II wrote:Even if you want to absolve NE on the basis that their original region was conquered, your comment says nothing about my point of the proposal misrepresenting the situation.


I'm not absolving NE at all. I'm suggesting a shift of the condemnation to Nazi Europa through a classic R/R.

As for the misrepresentation, I don't intend to refute that. If anything, I believe someone else should he writing a better piece.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:12 pm

Misley wrote:So let's repeal the condemnation of NE and get Commendations Condemnation passed for Antifa. :p


Fixed that for ya Misley.... :p
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Postby Misley » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:36 pm

Folks from both of your home regions were involved in the operation, Chester. The only reason I didn't include the DSA in the list of regions who had participants is out of respect for the charter and the region's nominal neutrality. Should they get condemnations, too?
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Postby Elke and Elba » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:24 pm

Misley wrote:Folks from both of your home regions were involved in the operation, Chester. The only reason I didn't include the DSA in the list of regions who had participants is out of respect for the charter and the region's nominal neutrality. Should they get condemnations, too?


:roll: The same reasoning that Mall used to justify Liberate Haven...

I'm sure you don't want to go down that route - do you?
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:02 pm

Elke and Elba wrote:
Frattastan II wrote:Even if you want to absolve NE on the basis that their original region was conquered, your comment says nothing about my point of the proposal misrepresenting the situation.


I'm not absolving NE at all. I'm suggesting a shift of the condemnation to Nazi Europa through a classic R/R.

Oh ffs...another NE R&R?! You do realize the Condemn being repealed was also an R&R, right? :roll:
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Postby Elke and Elba » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:06 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Elke and Elba wrote:
I'm not absolving NE at all. I'm suggesting a shift of the condemnation to Nazi Europa through a classic R/R.

Oh ffs...another NE R&R?! You do realize the Condemn being repealed was also an R&R, right? :roll:


Well, technically it's not an R&R given that the other region has a changed vowel... :p
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:42 am

Misley wrote:Folks from both of your home regions were involved in the operation, Chester. The only reason I didn't include the DSA in the list of regions who had participants is out of respect for the charter and the region's nominal neutrality. Should they get condemnations, too?


No just Antifa, and if were lucky The Internationale as well....
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:08 am

So, who controls the new Founder?
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Postby Nierr » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:35 am

From his statements in this thread, Balder delegate North East Somerset.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:05 pm

Quorum NOT achieved! Thank god. Did you campaign for this Treize?
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Postby Ramaeus » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:24 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:Quorum NOT achieved! Thank god. Did you campaign for this Treize?

He did.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:11 pm

Ramaeus wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:Quorum NOT achieved! Thank god. Did you campaign for this Treize?

He did.


Guess that should say something then....
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:16 am

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Ramaeus wrote:He did.


Guess that should say something then....


Not sure what though. I'll find out in round two.

Edit: It's been changed a bit and NES has been added as a co-author for his assistance in drafting.

Edit: Aaaaand I fucked it up. The TG this time contains a link to the OLD repeal proposal that's already expired out of the queue. Not like me to make an obvious mistake like that but I did. Damn it. At least it was funny.
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Postby Mundiferrum » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:44 am

Maybe someone should draft a "Condemn Nazi Europa" first for this to get a warmer reception?
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:57 am

I sent out a corrective telegram within minutes of the first(had to check the rules before I did so), so hopefully this will be the last time I have to campaign on this subject.
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Postby RonaldReagan » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:35 pm

We couldn't keep this just for its historical aspect?

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Postby President Obama » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:41 pm

Nation of Quebec wrote:Nazi Europe does not deserve any more attention. Let's leave it at the condemnation and stop bringing them into the spotlight. My WA puppet will vote strongly AGAINST this resolution should it come to quorum.


This resolution should stay for historical reasons and to show that NS don't appreciate new Nazi regions from forming.
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No More Silence

Postby Freemalk » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:55 am

To whom it may concern,

Throughout the history of earth, the World Assembly has stood by passively and watched as aggresive fascism plagued our planet. The only resolutions passed besides the condemnation of Nazi Europe offered no solutions to the issue, simply a statement of meaningless defiance. We must end this and take decisive action to stop the spread of such harmful ideology.

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Postby Wrapper » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:00 am

• 7 minutes ago: The proposal "Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"" was removed from the floor.

Well, that confused the crap out of me, momentarily.

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Postby Topid » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:50 am

"Believing that the conquering of Nazi Europe by the coalition of forces listed above has eliminated it as a threat to the world,"

History as the imperial-sphere wishes it were.

What a perfect end (?) to this saga. The victory lap taken in this resolution should embarrass everyone that takes pride in this body. After all the effort, and all the fighting and drama, our big accomplishment is changing their name from Nazi Europe to Nazi Europa. Oh wait, we can't even claim that, can proudly boast that we pressured them to decide on their own to change that 'e' to an 'a'.

I fully understand that taking down Nazi Europe was something people put a lot of work in, and the organizations named would have done it in a heartbeat if they had the numbers on an update that the delegate was not online, but it never came to be. At best we can claim that the fight between the community of Nazi Europe and its buddies versus the rest of the world came to a draw, after all that was put into it.

The 'threat' if you can call it that, was the community, and nothing has happened to that community at all, but we will pretend that was not so and claim that we won and things are better. Not because they are better, but because this has never actually been about getting results, but looking good and patting ourselves on the back.
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Postby The Parkgarian Empire » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:24 pm

It is my firm belief that any region associated with Nazism should not exist due to the beliefs it holds.

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Postby Nabta Playa » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:49 pm

The Parkgarian Empire wrote:It is my firm belief that any region associated with Nazism should not exist due to the beliefs it holds.

We the Grand High Arch Hegemon, OutcastShadow could not agree with you more.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:17 pm

The Parkgarian Empire wrote:It is my firm belief that any region associated with Nazism should not exist due to the beliefs it holds.


One could say the same thing about capitalist regions. Or for that matter religious regions. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. That is the great thing about free speech....
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