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maybe a mediator is needed in this dispute.

Kalmak wrote:maybe a mediator is needed in this dispute.

A mediator perhaps, the Security Council, not so much. Sounds like an in house squabble.

Liberatia wrote:

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:Oh, I'm totally a fascist dictator and everything, but I'm just too lazy to oppress anyone.

see? are you going to ban him for saying that? I doubt it. Yet you ban my brother, and you ban me for being his brother.

1. Just drop it. You've already been told that we don't have a camera in your room to know whether it was you or your brother at the keyboard, and honestly we don't have any compelling reason to believe you.
2. Don't take Belschaft literally (though he can be quite a dictator. )
3. You were ejected because of reasonable causes and following an internal discussion process. Your rights were not violated as per the Bill of Rights.

The Dourian Embassy wrote:Take a look at some of the other Pacifics(I'm partial to the West, but that's just me). There are plenty of places to go, people to meet and things to see. Enjoy yourself and don't take any of this too seriously.

Relocated to the North there only a few days ago they're a hell of a bunch.

You are going to fail and be a laughingstock.

Cerian Quilor wrote:You are going to fail and be a laughingstock.

As long as he doesn't turn this into another "Liberate The Pacific" thing...

Kringalia wrote:

Cerian Quilor wrote:You are going to fail and be a laughingstock.

As long as he doesn't turn this into another "Liberate The Pacific" thing...

Well, he won't be one of the highest grade laughingstocks, but he'll be in the lower-tiers.

Cerian Quilor wrote:

Kringalia wrote:
As long as he doesn't turn this into another "Liberate The Pacific" thing...

Well, he won't be one of the highest grade laughingstocks, but he'll be in the lower-tiers.

Close enough.

Let me be clear here your banning from the forums was an Administrative Team decision which is not appealable to the Assembly. While Belschaft had a say in this he wasn't the only person. You were banned for having 3 accounts trace back to your IP in which 2 of those accounts seeked citizenship. We have already told you that we have no way of knowing who is behind the computer much like NS and the WA. If you are found in violation of this forum policy you will most likely be banned. Your subsequent banning from the region was for security reasons and unrelated to the actual reason for the forum ban.

There comes a time when you've had too much internet today.

I would recommend the OP log off of the internet for a few weeks. I will be sending him a medical bill as I started choking on my dinner whilst reading it due to laughter, and feel that he is trying to kill me. I will soon be petitioning the SC to condemn him for trying to destroy Osiran Foreign Policy with my death.

Not really... but it's a stupid proposal. Douria is completely right in this case.

As someone who is fairly familiar with TSP's laws, I think that it's a bit odd circumstance for him not to have had a trial and/or a chance to defend himself against accusations of being a threat. However, I can't blame TSP for wanting to get rid of him, and think that this proposal is awful and doesn't deserve to exist.

If he tries to spam this thing into quorum, I'll vote against.

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:Yes, your 'brother' did it.

Hey now, don't laugh. My brother-in-law's best friend's twice-removed niece got me banned from TSP. :/

It's a crazy story, actually.

Milograd wrote:As someone who is fairly familiar with TSP's laws, I think that it's a bit odd circumstance for him not to have had a trial and/or a chance to defend himself against accusations of being a threat. However, I can't blame TSP for wanting to get rid of him, and think that this proposal is awful and doesn't deserve to exist.

If he tries to spam this thing into quorum, I'll vote against.

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:Yes, your 'brother' did it.

Hey now, don't laugh. My brother-in-law's best friend's twice-removed niece got me banned from TSP. :/

It's a crazy story, actually.

Do tell

Kringalia wrote:

Cerian Quilor wrote:You are going to fail and be a laughingstock.

As long as he doesn't turn this into another "Liberate The Pacific" thing...

I am not trying to oust the coalition. I am simply trying to either condemn them, or at least get a trial.

Kringalia wrote:

Liberatia wrote:see? are you going to ban him for saying that? I doubt it. Yet you ban my brother, and you ban me for being his brother.

1. Just drop it. You've already been told that we don't have a camera in your room to know whether it was you or your brother at the keyboard, and honestly we don't have any compelling reason to believe you.
2. Don't take Belschaft literally (though he can be quite a dictator. )
3. You were ejected because of reasonable causes and following an internal discussion process. Your rights were not violated as per the Bill of Rights.

and I have no compelling reason to believe my banning was legitimate.

Hileville wrote:Let me be clear here your banning from the forums was an Administrative Team decision which is not appealable to the Assembly. While Belschaft had a say in this he wasn't the only person. You were banned for having 3 accounts trace back to your IP in which 2 of those accounts seeked citizenship. We have already told you that we have no way of knowing who is behind the computer much like NS and the WA. If you are found in violation of this forum policy you will most likely be banned. Your subsequent banning from the region was for security reasons and unrelated to the actual reason for the forum ban.

yes, but I was also banned from TSP. also, this account, which I presume was the only one to have citizenship, did nothing wrong. the second was an ambassador, who did not seek citizenship. the third was my brother, who, from what I am aware seeked citizenship, but did not gain it (so, technically, only one account could be traced back to our IP address that held citizenship, which, I do not believe is a crime, and my brother claims that he only tried to gain citizenship after the chief justice suggested doing so in order for him to grant him trial. in fact, after checking the charter and code of laws, I have determined that there is no law that actually prohibits an IP address from holding two citizenships. so, even if I did apply for two, then you have no reason to ban me.

also, according to the charter, I have "The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law."

the TSP government must, by law, grant me and my brother a trial.

Liberatia wrote:yes, but I was also banned from TSP. also, this account, which I presume was the only one to have citizenship, did nothing wrong. the second was an ambassador, who did not seek citizenship. the third was my brother, who, from what I am aware seeked citizenship, but did not gain it (so, technically, only one account could be traced back to our IP address that held citizenship, which, I do not believe is a crime, and my brother claims that he only tried to gain citizenship after the chief justice suggested doing so in order for him to grant him trial. in fact, after checking the charter and code of laws, I have determined that there is no law that actually prohibits an IP address from holding two citizenships. so, even if I did apply for two, then you have no reason to ban me.

also, according to the charter, I have "The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law."

the TSP government must, by law, grant me and my brother a trial.

If you actually read my post you would have picked up on the fact that you were banned by the ADMIN TEAM which is not regulated by TSP Law. You broke forum administration policy of multying. You forum ban is not up for discussion. You can try and condemn Bel and TSP all you want but you still will not be unbanned from the forums.

Liberatia wrote:also, according to the charter, I have "The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law."

the TSP government must, by law, grant me and my brother a trial.

You keep acting like we should take your word that it was your brother and not you, when the truth is that there is no verifiably way for us to ascertain it. Honestly I'm done here, I will go back to not checking the WA's forum, like I used to.

Hileville wrote:

Liberatia wrote:yes, but I was also banned from TSP. also, this account, which I presume was the only one to have citizenship, did nothing wrong. the second was an ambassador, who did not seek citizenship. the third was my brother, who, from what I am aware seeked citizenship, but did not gain it (so, technically, only one account could be traced back to our IP address that held citizenship, which, I do not believe is a crime, and my brother claims that he only tried to gain citizenship after the chief justice suggested doing so in order for him to grant him trial. in fact, after checking the charter and code of laws, I have determined that there is no law that actually prohibits an IP address from holding two citizenships. so, even if I did apply for two, then you have no reason to ban me.

also, according to the charter, I have "The freedom to reside in the region of The South Pacific, and the right to not be ejected or banned without reasonable cause and due process of law."

the TSP government must, by law, grant me and my brother a trial.

If you actually read my post you would have picked up on the fact that you were banned by the ADMIN TEAM which is not regulated by TSP Law. You broke forum administration policy of multying. You forum ban is not up for discussion. You can try and condemn Bel and TSP all you want but you still will not be unbanned from the forums.

yes, maybe that applies to the forums. however, as for my banning from the region, the charter stipulates that I must be granted a trial.

Liberatia wrote:yes, maybe that applies to the forums. however, as for my banning from the region, the charter stipulates that I must be granted a trial.

Okay.... You are GULITY! Satisfied? Now can we please move the fuck on to more important matters, and drop this bullshit?

Kalmak wrote:maybe a mediator is needed in this dispute.

This thing has piqued my interest, and I'd like to give it a shot. Based on initial observations pointed out in another thread, I'm inclined to agree with him on a few points.

With that in mind, however, this is definitly not something that should merit a condemnation.

Really? The Beach will not lend its support for this proposed mockery of a condemnation.